Marvel Replay Episode 6: Ant-Man & Captain America: Civil War

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I’m not sure if I’ve said this before but these two are probably two of the strongest to watch together in a Replay episode.

As Taylor and I have journeyed our way through the Replay series, we have had some, let’s say “odd”, mashups. I mean, even the past two episodes covering GOTG1 and CATWS and GOTG2 and AOU are not precisely on the same level. Actually, they aren’t even on the same planet as each other. But this week, we have an excellent pairing that not only goes well together but are pretty vital homework films for the upcoming Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania film. That being said, I put a little warning that Civil War had the potential to nearly be its’ own episode, just due to all the massive repercussions from it, so we are a little skewed in our time allotted to each film in this episode. Either way, this is a great episode that we are hoping you guys love hearing. If you haven’t had a chance to listen, click the button below to find your listening platform of choice, or start listening live from the link provided.

Starting with Ant-Man himself, I want to discuss Scott Lang as a person. I might just be dumb but I will say the first few times I’ve seen the movie, I didn’t put together that Scott is gifted in electrical engineering. And once I noticed that I realized his tinkering around with the suit and his ability to build and create things like he did during the initial heist at Hank Pym’s home made a lot of sense. I mean, this guy is really gifted, and while we are used to him being the comic relief, which might distract a little from his vast knowledge, it’s definitely important to note. He isn’t just a common criminal and Hank knew that.

Now to the suit itself. The most interesting thing about this film, in my opinion, is the history of the suit more than anything else. We get a lot of origins from Marvel but most don’t have an origin inside the origin. Think about it, watching Cap become the first super soldier doesn’t tie to any other stories in history about super soldiers. Same with Iron Man, there was no Iron Man before Tony there was. No such thing as a man flying around in a metal suit. They started that themselves. But Scott in his origin movie inherits a suit that not only has a history but also has a tragic story tied to it. A story you would think would have been released with Black Widow’s choice to release all SHIELD and Hydra files. We actually don’t learn until the next movie we are going to discuss that these files were still heavily encrypted, but I have to say, I read this as a move from the Russo brothers to try and close that chapter a little since it appeared no other director wanted to touch what they had done in CATWS. Either way, logically speaking, a man like Darren if he wanted to would have had a team working on those files and the Ant-Man wouldn’t have been a myth any longer.

I don’t want to stray from the history of the suit because it really is important to what we know about the wider MCU and for the future with Ant-Man 3. For one, Hank used this suit during the Cold War, a time when the only hero known was still frozen in ice. He operated very much like Cap did in WW2 and it’s interesting to see the effects Hank and Janet had on history that the majority of the world doesn’t even know happened. However, I did mention the tragic aspect of this history, which is that Janet, who also wore a suit, went subatomic to stop a nuke and disappeared into the Quantum Realm. This forces Hank into his own form of retirement, but it introduces us to something we actually see later in the film, which I totally don’t remember from earlier viewings. We enter the Quantum Realm when Ant-Man goes subatomic to stop Darren and actually, he sends Darren there as well. That first glimpse, little did we know, would begin quite the journey with Ant-Man, as his second and third films are based in the Quantum Realm as well. It makes his films probably the most cohesive, but also makes even the first one more important than we will ever know, as the Quantum Realm is also how they got time travel to work in Endgame.

I promised myself not to go off too much about the Quantum Realm as we will have plenty to talk about with that with our Ant-Man 3 predictions episode. So instead I want to keep us in the realm of Darren, who is very clearly unhinged. Hank mentions that Darren’s use and trials of some of the technology that Darren has been creating have affected his mind and leaves us to conclude this is why he is so off-kilter. But in reality, it only makes me more intrigued about the relationship he and Hank shared, as Hank created the monster of a person that Darren becomes. I mean, at one point he even had his daughter so alienated she help vote him out of his own company. This is one of the few movies I wish we had a prequel to, just because Darren shares a strange relationship with Hope and Hank, which we only see glimpses of as Scott comes into the fold. But it makes Darren an interesting villain, one that grew beneath others’ failures and disappointments. Sounds a lot like Hydra.

Did I say Hydra? Yea, I did, because the movie did too. It was a small comment made, could’ve been a throwaway line in itself, but Darren was selling his Yellowjacket suit to members of Hydra. I don’t remember this from before, but keep in mind at this point SHIELD, with Hydra wrapped inside of it, fell roughly two movies ago. We see in AOU that the Avengers are taking out Hydra bases while on the search for the Tesseract, but we’re kind of led to assume after that that Hydra is pretty much gone. And I wouldn’t have an issue with them mentioning Hydra in this film if it led to more than it does. Now, I will give the benefit of the doubt to Marvel and say, by this point, we are barreling towards our purple grape storyline, so things such as Hydra can be phased out as the world itself is about to be attacked by more aliens with powerful rocks. So I will say, the only way this throwaway line won’t disappoint me is if Hydra is brought back up in Phase 5, since it was pretty absent from all of Phase 4. The line confirms the existence of Hydra and that means I want to see where they are and what they’re up to.

The last thing I want to touch on before I open the can of worms of Civil War is that Hank at one point mentions that he no longer wears the suit due to the toll it took on him. Now, the way he sets this up makes it sound like it is more than just the emotional toll of losing his wife. With this statement comes my concern now for Scott, who has been wearing and utilizing the suit for quite a few years now in the current MCU. If a toll can be taken on someone who uses the suit often, then I think we have good reason to believe Scott might be in danger. And honestly, it does make sense, as I can’t see how shrinking and enlarging yourself all the time can be physically good for anyone. Just some food for thought as we come up on the culmination of Ant-Man’s trilogy.

I have to be honest, this is about to be a lot as we move to Civil War. First, a disclaimer is that Taylor and I are very passionately Team Cap, and so in all honesty, I will leave that out of this post as much as possible. If you would like to hear our reasoning, give the episode a listen as we both explain our feelings, but I feel you all don’t need to read how much we don’t really like Iron Man. I’ll give an honest attempt to avoid bashing Tony, but I will apologize now if I do.

I want to start with the opening scene/battle, which is where Cap & Co. takes on Crossbones aka Rumlow from CATWS. Two things I want to say. One: Crossbones was an extremely wasted character in my opinion, as he’s an interesting villain who would have actually been even more interesting to see now that Sam is Cap. I do like the continuity of him being the person they’re after, especially as it relates to this being Cap’s movie, but I think it would’ve been more interesting to utilize him more aggressively later in one of Sam’s storylines. My other thing is simply this: I hate what happens in this film regarding Wanda, specifically as it all relates to this scene. Had she not removed the bomb from the location in the market, people would have died. Obviously, we saw what happened when she tried to move the bomb elsewhere. Unfortunately, this Wanda is not yet at the place she is when she embraces being the Scarlet Witch and so she did what she could to save lives. I find the whole thing that happened and the blaming that took place frustrating. Not to mention, Crossbones was essentially stealing a virus that who knows what he would have done with.

With this same thought, when General Ross is discussing the battles and subsequent deaths/destruction that follow, he mentions New York and Sokovia. Granted, Sokovia was 100% Tony’s fault, but what Ultron did with the city was something they were the only ones qualified to stop. Same with New York, had the Avengers not been there, there simply would have been a successful alien invasion and thousands would have died. Better yet, the government would’ve nuked the island of Manhattan. Imagine that. So I have to say, some of his points on why the Avengers need governing don’t really strike me as their fault.

I can’t in good faith talk about this film without of course bringing up Bucky and how much I love him. I’m kidding (not really), but I do have to say multiple times in this film we see The Winter Soldier and we see Bucky, and I think Sebastian Stan’s ability to shift these two personas back and forth is incredible. On top of that, I think it really shows that Bucky does pull his punches and has no urge to kill people, even though he’s highly qualified in doing so. But when The Winter Soldier appears, that’s a different story. The Winter Soldier singlehandedly took out just about all the Avengers and if anyone forgot or wasn’t paying attention, technically would’ve shot Tony in the head. With Bucky, we see him pull his punches especially with Spider-Man, as he isn’t trying to kill him, but also realizes there’s a whole kid under the mask. It’s just an interesting comparison we see and this film really is where we see the two sides, rather than in TFAWS, where we see more of Bucky in control of himself.

Speaking of Spider-Man, I have to say something for all you Team Iron Man folks out there and you might not like it. If Spider-Man knew the whole situation, if he didn’t blindly follow and trust Tony Stark because he’s Tony Stark, you couldn’t tell me he wouldn’t have been Team Cap. I mean, he even makes a comment about helping the little guy because he can that us watching can see register in Tony’s face that he knows this kid doesn’t agree with him. I find it pretty interesting that Peter doesn’t ask for more details for a fight he is being flown across the country for, but I also understand that he’s blinded by the offer. Speaking of being flown across the country though, I have to say I still don’t love how Spider-Man was introduced into the MCU. It felt a little lazy and abrupt, unlike Ant-Man’s inclusion, which felt natural since we had just seen his movie. It’s still a main complaint of mine, but over the years I have grown to accept it for what it is.

The last thing I want to get into here is the final fight between Cap, Bucky, and Tony. As a Bucky girl, I will always defend him as far as this situation because he had no control over himself when he killed the Starks and he is burdened with remembering the kills. But I won’t say I don’t understand Tony’s anger, I just think he reacted like an idiot. Cap 100% should have told him, but fighting the way they did was ridiculous, allowing Zemo to get exactly what he wanted. The comparison between Tony and T’Challa was insane, as we see T’Challa speaking to the man who killed his father days ago and stopping his suicide, while Tony was tearing through two super soldiers for a loss he experienced years back. It was an interesting character study in my opinion, even if I found the fight ridiculous for being the reason it all ended.

I lied, this is the last thing I want to discuss. This pivots slightly from Civil War, more so dealing with the bigger effects of the ending scene. We see Cap extend the olive branch to Tony and in this film, you truly sit there and think they will work it all out. Yet, we obviously see this isn’t true, as in Infinity War, Tony does everything he can to avoid calling Cap, and then in Endgame, dared to blame Cap for not being there. I know I said I would try not to bash Tony, this just makes me so angry as he makes it everyone else’s fault but his own. This is pretty much the theme of Tony’s character starting in this film. Either way, this film’s ending is so critical to moving the rest of the MCU to its’ final moments.

This is the final Replay episode for the time being, as we are less than one week away from Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania. This is surely going to be filling up our timeline as far as coverage for the next few weeks, so keep an eye out for our predictions episode, coming out today. If you haven’t gotten your tickets yet, get a move on! We’re excited and we hope all of you are as well because Marvel is about to blow your mind, so let’s talk about it.

Image: “Ant-Man”, Wikipedia

Image: “Captain America: Civil War”, Disney

Marvel Replay Episode 5: Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 & Avengers: Age of Ultron

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Another two great films to continue our replay with.

Riding off the tail of our last replay episode, we looked at GOTG2 and AOU this week, two films that I can confidently say Taylor and I don’t rewatch often. There’s, of course, nothing wrong with these films, and AOU holds a very special place in my heart, but they usually fade into the background for us. This just means that rewatching them was a great experience, as we could pick up on some of the small things. Not to mention, GOTG2 is an extremely strange rewatch now that Eternals has come out, and I can assure you a lot of our analysis is figuring out how Ego fits into our new understanding of the Celestials. All of this being said, let’s get right to it! As always, to hear our full thoughts and explanations, you can click the button below to find your listening platform of choice or start listening live by hitting play right in this blog post.

I already alluded to the main topic on our minds about Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2, so let’s start with this film and get right into it. We are introduced to Peter’s dad, a character that we received quite a few interesting cues about in the first Guadians’ film. But what makes him more interesting than 90% of the horrible fathers the MCU puts forward is that he is a Celestial. Now, years ago, when this film came out, this was only the second movie, besides GOTG1 to mention this type of being. But now we can look at this from a completely different lens as we have Eternals, which broke down Celestials in a brand new way. Let’s get into some of these questions that I can’t say we have answers to, but we are still extremely curious about.

One of the most prominent things from Eternals is that Celestials need a certain amount of power, driven by living things, to emerge from the planets they are ‘placed’ in. Let’s run with this a little and apply it to Ego. Ego explains that when he was born (emerged), it was just his brain. He was aware of everything around him and pulled pieces floating in space around his brain to create his first so-called body aka his planet. My best running theory here is that for some reason, his emergence went wrong, and he never was born with a body. To protect himself, he sucked the debris from the planet his emergence destroyed back to him. Now I have no clue why an emergence wouldn’t go right, or at least how it could go so wrong the Celestial doesn’t have a body, but it’s all I can think of. Luckily, others have put some thought into this and come up with a great theory. Essentially, this theory believes that the Eternals on Ego’s planet were unable to prevent a catastrophic event from possibly killing great numbers of beings. Because of this, the other Celestials assume Ego to be unable to emerge or is dead, but rather the disturbance awakens him earlier than planned, leaving him with just a brain. Ego assumed himself to be the only one, but I figure he found other Celestials when he journeyed to other planets. This angered him and is part of the reason he wished to spread on other planets, to assert his dominance as a Celestial and prevent other Celestials from emerging.

While we sum this all up to say he is clearly a different type of Celestial/something didn’t go right with his emergence, it’s still hard to wrap your head around. The worst part is, we likely will never get more information on him now that he has been destroyed, unless Eternals 2 hits on it, so the discrepancies are just going to run wild, and all we can do is pray we find theories to fill them. I hope maybe Eros brings some knowledge to the party in Eternals 2, since he seems to have some knowledge about taking down Celestials, but we shall see.

Beyond the Celestial debate, we also have Eternity’s name dropped in this film, and yes, that’s Eternity with a capital “E.” Of course, this should sound familiar to everyone because not that long ago we were watching Thor: Love and Thunder, in which we meet Eternity. To Taylor’s point, this isn’t super weird since Ego considered himself a God, and you need a God to help open the gateway. What’s mainly the most interesting is that this was dropped to us in roughly 2015, and we didn’t think a thing of it until a movie that came out in 2022 brought our attention to it. I like when things happen like that.

Of course, as with all other Marvel movies up to this point, we also got our usual cameo from the man himself: Stan Lee. But I have to bring attention to this one specifically since it’s a little different than the others. For one, he looks as if he is talking to three Watchers, which is something we would not have thought of at all at the time this film came out. It is especially interesting because if you catch what he’s saying, he’s essentially telling them he has been playing different roles in all the storylines we see as films. Now, this gets into some of the meta things we are hitting now with the Quantum realm and Multiverses, but this pretty much means Stan was never technically a character and was instead almost crashing in, as he exists outside all those storylines, like the Watcher. It definitely has layers to it, which I don’t want to think too much about for fear of destroying my brain, but it’s pretty freaking cool.

Lastly, I have to wrap up GOTG2 by saying this movie really solidified how much I love these characters. They’re extremely dysfunctional, but they are a family, and I really had fun getting to rewatch this franchise. It makes me even more nervous about what is coming in GOTG3, as I feel like I’ve fallen in love all over again with this group. And don’t even get me started on Baby Groot, him trying to free Rocket and Yondu may just be one of the best things I’ve ever seen in my life.

Turning now to the other film we watched for this replay, Avengers: Age of Ultron, I have to disclose that this film, in my mind, will never do any wrong. This is the film that brought me into the Marvel Universe and started this journey for me, so I will absolutely always hold it very close to my heart for that reason. Do I ignore the last 10-15 minutes and actually just decide the movie ends when they evacuate the city? Of course, because as far as I’m concerned, no one loses their life. I don’t know what everyone is talking about. But truly, this film doesn’t deserve some of the hate I know it gets from the fans.

The best part about this film is that it is exactly what all the fanfiction in the world is about: the Avengers being a genuine team of heroes that like each other and hang out. If you know what’s coming soon, you know this doesn’t last very long, but it’s there for at least a movie. They joke with one another and have little parties. It’s all very nice to see for the brief little bit that we get it.

Of course, what I appreciate the most is the solid continuity of some parts, while others just sort of, I don’t know, don’t work. For one, I like that the movie shows that they’ve spent so much time together because they were taking out Hydra bases, a direct effect of CATWS. But then again, Black Widow said she was going to disappear for a while because all of her covers were blown, and here she is with the Avengers. I mean, taking out the Guardians films, those movies take place one after the other. Yet, if we flip back to the other side, Sam appears talking about their missing person case aka Bucky, again a direct impact from CATWS. And then we have Fury, who goes AWOL after faking his death, showing up with a SHIELD plane at the end of the film like it’s no biggie. See what I mean? Random parts just don’t listen to the rest, but I do appreciate the scenes that do.

I warned everyone during our CATWS coverage that this film was going to get ugly when it came to talking about my girl Nat. And man, is it ugly. Once again, I reiterate these films technically take place RIGHT AFTER EACH OTHER. So tell me, how did we go from that Natasha to this? I mean, I know how, and it comes 100% down to the director of this film. It just makes me so angry. She was so freaking cool in CATWS, and suddenly they just completely downgrade her. Not to mention, the random and awkward romance between her and Bruce really sets fire to everything. There was never an ounce of chemistry between the two, I don’t know how that even happens. It is one of the biggest pitfalls of this film, and I will stand on that rock alone if I have to.

While we are on the topic of characters, I want to take this moment to talk about Wanda briefly. The first thing I have to say is I miss emo Wanda so much. The other thing, which is much more important, is that if you would have told me what this girl became and what she is capable of in the future, I would have only been shocked because I would have hoped she wouldn’t have had to go through all the pain to get there. I think many people act like she doesn’t have a dark side when quite literally she starts as a Hydra power in this film. Not to mention, look at how she reacted to Pietro’s death. And the final bit of icing on the cake is this girl mind controlled a whole town into evacuating, yet everyone was so shocked at what happened with Westview. We saw what she was capable of doing very early on, and I’m proud of her growth, even if I disagree with how MoM portrayed it.

As we are on the topic, I want to wrap up discussing Thor’s nightmare that Wanda induces. His is the only nightmare that happens perfectly, although I think people tend to focus the most on Tony’s. He loses most of his people, Asgard falls, and Hel(a) is part of the whole equation. The fear that Thor has becomes reality quickly for him, which is something I don’t think many point out. While Tony’s fear partially comes true, Thor’s, except for the fact that he didn’t directly kill his people, comes true. On top of this, he is the one who sees the vision relating to the Infinity Stones and is why Vision is born. I might argue all of this drives Thor to be one of the most integral parts of the team in this film, putting besides all his Godly powers.

While there is much more to talk about, I can’t physically write everything, so go ahead and give our latest Replay series podcast episode a listen if you haven’t already. Next week, we will be continuing the Replay series with Ant-Man and Captain America: Civil War (or the more accurate title of Avengers: Civil War). After that, get ready, as we are gearing up for Ant-Man: Quantumania. Tickets are already on sale so make sure you snag those for opening weekend and stick around here, as we will be covering it from start to finish. As we finish this month, I want to remind everyone to sign up for our newsletter, making its way into your inbox on the first of each month. February’s topic is “Understanding the Quantum Realm,” just in time for Ant-Man 3. In the meantime, watch Ant-Man 1 and CACW so you can be on our level next episode, and remember, Marvel just blew your mind, so let’s talk about it.

Image: “Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2”, Disney

Image: “Avengers: Age of Ultron”, IMDB

Marvel Replay Episode 4: Captain America: The Winter Soldier & Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 1

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Traveling back to Phase 2 this week (three phases ago now if you want to feel some pain).

It has been quite a long time since we visited our Marvel Replay series, as 2022 definitely kept us busy with content. I would like to think we accrued some new fans along the way and I also wouldn’t blame anyone for forgetting what the Replay series is about, so let me provide a little bit of a reminder. Our Replay series looks at the MCU’s first three phases in timeline order. We go back and watch the films and then discuss some of the things the films led to that we didn’t realize at the time, small things we missed, or just general things that no longer make sense due to a continuity issue. This week, we took a look at CATWS (and if I type TFAWS anywhere ignore it) and Guardians of the Galaxy Vol.1. As always, the full episode can be found on the platform of your choice by clicking the button below or you can listen live right now by hitting play on the link provided.

While there isn’t exactly proof that one of these films happens before the other, as one is in space, I’m going to start with CATWS which should come as no surprise to literally anyone. This remains my absolute favorite film that has ever come out of Marvel and no one needs to be shocked as to why. So because I can’t not talk about him, let me jump in about Bucky aka The Winter Soldier right off the bat. Putting aside my love for him, I, to this day, believe he started the streak of really solid villains and especially sympathetic ones. I think he gets written off a lot, especially now that villains like Killmonger and Gorr have appeared, but Bucky is the blueprint for a villain you feel bad for. He’s fighting for a cause that brainwashed him to keep him compliant. And he is one terrifying villain. Something Taylor and I both noticed (technically I’ve noticed before considering I watch this film like once a month) is that if this movie had had a higher rating, Bucky alone would have made it considerably gory. He’s a ruthless killing machine and this is really the only time with the exception of a section of Civil War that we see it clear as day.

I want to talk about Natasha briefly as well, since this is the best version of her we have ever seen on screen. This version of Nat is what the comics created her like and what an assassin of her caliber is built to act like. I will say it again probably every film she is in and you have heard me say it already, but Nat as a character suffered the most throughout the whole MCU, with different directors struggling to portray her. This film played her just right, mysterious but also insanely reliable and she definitely had those Black Widow moves. She isn’t played down because she doesn’t have powers or abilities and she isn’t made to come off differently because she is a woman (I’m looking at you AOU). She is a lot like the Natasha we were introduced to in Iron Man 2, which would be great if we weren’t getting different versions of her everywhere else. While I agree with Taylor in saying Black Widow the film was too late, putting that Natasha up with CATWS Natasha does actually make a lot of sense as a whole.

Last, as far as characters I want to focus on before other plot points is Mr. Steve Rogers himself. This film is also the only time I feel we get a genuine character study on who he is. I think Iron Man’s trilogy did a great job keeping the focus on understanding who Tony is and his struggles, versus Cap’s who really only had this film. His first movie was focused on origin and his third was pretty much an Avengers movie. In CATWS, we get to really understand Steve as he is learning this new world that he finds himself in. He struggles with modern things but also his inner struggle to want to continue to do right thing or just stop and maybe live a life. But most importantly, we see him find a reason to keep going and that’s finding Bucky. Even after everything with SHIELD and Hydra, he finds the one person he always relied on to be there for him, someone he had thought he lost and that helps keep him here in the present. At least until, Endgame (rolling my eyes so hard).

Moving into a huge plot point from this film, something I know Taylor and I discussed during Black Widow and has now appeared again is the fact that Nat unleashes all of SHIELD and Hydra’s classified documents onto the internet. This is a huge moment in the film, with what should be larger implications, but unfortunately it’s something we don’t really get much screentime on at all. We get maybe a throw away line here or there, but we really never see how much this effects the world. Beyond that, films such as Black Widow start to have some issues in them, when theoretically Hydra would likely have known about the operation of the Red Room, especially since Nat put it on the map to begin with. I doubt Hydra knew it was shut down and that information likely would have been in files that, I don’t know, were just plastered on the web. It’s a plot line that I have somewhat given up on ever getting the full effects of and it doesn’t fall on this movie being at fault, more so some of the others for never really picking up the thread.

Pivoting like Ross on Friends, let’s move into a completely different realm and fly ourselves to space, where we see the formation of the Guardians of the Galaxy. The Guardians’ films was the first (in release order) to really touch on this whole space thing and life that sits beyond ours. Yes, we have Thor, but the Guardians show the galaxy in a more in-depth manner and of course the comedy brought a completely different air to these films. Even just rewatching the first one had me cackling at moments, simply because characters like Drax are written so well to have impeccable comedic timing. All five of them are incredibly awkward beings that have enough problems to cover the whole world for awhile, and their teaming up just becomes a weird bowl of almost Avengers. It’s hilarious to watch them interact with each other and is always a good break from some of the more serious storylines taking place on Earth.

But getting into the film’s meat a little more, I want to discuss something that is going to be a big topic when we get into the second Guardians film, which is Nowhere. We are introduced to this “planet” as a mining area for all sorts of rare but powerful materials because the place is the severed head of a Celestial. This is, at the time, the first mention of a Celestial in the MCU. But I want to talk about this for two reasons, one: did the head become severed when the Celestial died of natural causes and it just floated into space? Did someone beat the Celestial in battle? I like the second theory a little more, as I don’t see how a natural death would have completely severed the head, unless someone ripped the body apart after (sorry this seems morbid but it’s essentially like a robot in my head). My point being, if someone either killed or took apart the body of a Celestial, than that is one likely powerful being that I would like to know of. My second reason about the Celestial is that we now have one on Earth that is rumored to have some great materials in their body (Adamantium) that a certain group might be going after in their upcoming film. Seems interesting that a Phase 2 film possibly and unknowingly set something up for Phase 5 and we had no clue.

Let’s momentarily discuss Ronan the Accuser, who starts this film doing Thanos’ bidding and is gifted his two daughters to work with him. First, I have got to say this dude can’t catch a break. Of course I’m not rooting for him, but nothing goes right for him. When Gamora betrays the whole operation, he is single-handedly blamed for alienting Thanos’ favorite daughter. But I also find it interesting thatThanos simply could have used Gamora and Nebula from the jump and gotten the stone rather than using a go-between, which he does a lot in these first few films. It isn’t until AOU, which we will discuss soon, that he decides to take matters into his own hands. A curious thing for the Mad Titan to do. But going back to Ronan something that I didn’t care for much at the time of this film coming out, but now seems a lot more important since Captain Marvel, is that Ronan is a Kree extremist. Which suddenly has me thinking if he knew Captain Marvel for one, and why didn’t she intervene with him at all since he was widely well known in the Galaxy. And the big one for me is, where was she when he tried to destroy an entire planet? Seems like a massive galaxy-wide threat to me. Clearly I have to learn what her criteria is for getting involved in situations.

This film was a big one for the Infinity Saga, as it brought into perspective the Infinity Stones once again. We were introduced to the Power Stone, which doesn’t really need any explanation on what it does. This stone nearly ends up with the Collector, who already has the Aether (Reality Stone) chilling in his collection, but the Guardians of course take the Power Stone once they realize what it is. Personally, this film feels like the first we really begin to understand that Thanos is collecting them and we see that through the lens of Gamora as well. When she realizes the power the stone truly has, she willingly would do anything to avoid it getting into Ronan or her father’s hands. This is where it begins, as the shift between the halves of the Infinity Saga takes place between these two movies. From here, Infinity Stones are everywhere and very quickly so is Thanos. Those familiar with the Phantom of the Opera will know this quote that fits so well here as we go: “Past the point of no return”.

These films together are a little wonky to look at, but they are both great films to go back and watch. Of course, CATWS is known as one of the best, and as I just mentioned, GOTG1 begins us down the slippery slide that we were only coasting down before. As we go further into the MCU at it’s current stage, it’s a lot of fun to go back and see where some of these older films played a bigger part that we didn’t understand before. I hope you guys are enjoying the Replay series as we cover the Infinity Saga because there’s more to come. Our next episode will pick up here with Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 and Avengers: Age of Ultron! Make sure you watch those films in preparation for hearing all our thoughts on them, coming soon. And as always, before Ant-Man 3 comes around, use this time to catch up on Phase 4 content, along with our parallel content, since Marvel just blew your m find, so let’s talk about it.

Image: “Captain America: The Winter Soldier”, Disney

Image: “Guardians of the Galaxy Vol.1”, Space.com staff, Space

Let’s Talk: MCU 2022 Rankings and 2023 Preview

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Another ranking episode is coming your way to finish out the year.

2022 has reached the end of its line, giving us plenty of content to discuss and rank. And the fun thing about being able to do this ranking back to back with the Phase 4 rankings is that we can cover some of the shows and films that we didn’t really have a moment to talk about before. That isn’t to say we didn’t enjoy plenty of what 2022 content brought us, but it didn’t all make the overall Phase 4 ranking. So now we can take a closer look at what 2022 gave us and how we believe they will rank against one another. For the full podcast episode, click the button below to find your streaming platform of choice, or begin listening live by hitting play on the link provided.

The 2022 movies were both hits and failures as far as Taylor and I were concerned. Our rankings here should not be any surprise to those who listened to our last episode, as the 2022 films are what made our highest and lowest of the entirety of Phase 4. Pretty much, don’t expect too many surprises with these three movies.

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Now the shows are definitely where things are a little more interesting. As I mentioned earlier, our coverage of Phase 4 avoided many of the shows in 2022, as we felt that 2021 had had a stronger year in our opinion. But looking only at 2022 content gives us a great chance to zero in on what we got this year and how it all compared.

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2023 is bound to be just as full of content and will have some pretty exciting things debuting. It wouldn’t be right of us if we didn’t share with you all what we are most excited to see in the upcoming year. While usually Taylor and I don’t agree, as we have different tastes in some of the things we want to see, we are pretty aligned on what we want 2023 to bring us. Below I have included our most and least anticipated pieces of content going into the new year.

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We are so happy to have been able to spend the last year with all of you and are excited to go into yet another content-filled year. While this year is going to start a little slower, it is going to pick up speed and we are going to be flying by spring, so don’t take this slight content lull lightly. Use this time to catch up on anything you might have missed and also listen to all of our episodes that correspond with the Marvel material. Once again, Taylor and I want to thank you all for continuing to support us this year and growing with us. We wish you all a happy New Year!

Image: “MCU 2022”, Tristan Zelden, Nerd Stash

Let’s Talk: Phase 4 Reactions and Phase 5 Preview

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Well as shocking as it may be, in just under two years we have wrapped up an entire MCU phase. I know we all have thoughts and maybe even some whiplash on how quickly we have blown through one phase, not to mention when you look at the actual numbers, it’s honestly staggering. We got 7 films and a whopping 8 shows (not counting “I am Groot”) and 2 special presentations. Keep in mind, we used to only get 2-3 movies a year, let alone the 1.5 years it took to get all of this. Now I know for some, this was too much content and became more of an overload than anything, but of course, I don’t get to pull those shots and decide to lighten up the load, that’s all Kevin. But we can certainly give our two cents on whether we liked all that content, which is what we’re here to do. To hear both of our explanations for why we may (or may not) have picked certain content, listen to our full podcast episode by either hitting the button to find your listening platform of choice or listening live by clicking play on the link provided.

Phase 4 Movies – Our Top Picks + Honorable Mention

Let’s start on a high note and talk about the two films that took the cake for Taylor and me, along with an honorable mention that was very close to taking one of those top two spots.

Katie

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Phase 4 Movies – Our Least Favorite

As much as Phase 4 had its’ ups, it also had some down moments for Taylor and I. Weirdly enough, we happen to agree on the two movies that deserve the bottom two slots, although not quite which one is the absolute bottom.

Katie

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Phase 4 Shows – Our Top Picks + Honorable Mention

The shows, in my opinion, are part of what made Phase 4 so special. For the first time ever, we got more than just films to feed our MCU wants and instead got weekly releases of some really solid shows.

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Phase 4 Shows- Our Least Favorite

Of course, it doesn’t go without saying that there were a few pieces of content we got as far as shows that we also didn’t love quite as much as some of the others.

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Phase 4 has been quite the doozy, but that doesn’t mean we aren’t just as excited to see what Phase 5 is going to bring us. We had the opportunity to cover a lot of what is to come in Phase 5 when we covered SDCC, so make sure to listen to our full podcast episode to hear what we are most looking forward to as far as movies and shows in the next two years. We have one final episode coming out this year, which will take a look at only 2022 content and we will, just like this, rate the content we got during this year. Remember we are back on our bi-weekly episode schedule for now as we await some new content to come in 2023. As we move into the holidays, I want to wish everyone on behalf of LTMFT a happy holiday season and to take this time to catch up on all the Marvel content, as Marvel just blew your mind, so let’s talk about it.

Image: “Marvel Phase 4”, Meredith Loftus, Collider

Guardians of the Galaxy: Holiday Special

Guardians of the Galaxy

I hope you’re all in the holiday spirit.

It goes without saying that we are eating up these special presentations that Marvel is giving us. Plus, the Guardians is probably the absolute best group to do a holiday special with, bringing in their already more light-hearted tone and aggressive comic relief while still tackling some strong emotions. So what did we think about this holiday special? To hear our full thoughts, listen to our episode by clicking the button below or play live by hitting play on the link provided.

I have to get it off my chest because you all know it is eating me alive, but Rocket finally got Bucky’s arm and I can tell you I don’t think I’ve reacted the way I did to that scene to something in a long time. I gasped and physically removed myself from the room out of shock and enjoyment because you have to know I found it hilarious. And at the time of recording, I had very little time to think about the arm’s origin and had to make the assumption my man Bucky was just walking around without an arm somewhere. But as more and more fans watched the special, people have been saying his arm from Infinity War and TFAWS are different, so the one Rocket has now is, I guess for lack of better words, is a spare. Now I cannot confirm nor deny that as I don’t recall Bucky getting a different arm nor do I think either of those arms looks different from one another, but if it’s possible our favorite assassin isn’t down an appendage I’ll take it. But it really was such a funny thing that pulled that moment from Infinity War full circle and even back to when Rocket wanted the guy’s bionic leg in the very first Guardians. Solid writing if you ask me.

I want to get into one of the more serious parts of this special, just to get it out of the way. We got confirmation that the Guardians bought Nowhere, which is where the Collector used to be and also happens to be in the head of a dead Celestrial. We obviously have gotten confirmation that Guardians 3 is going to be quite dark compared to everything we’ve gotten from them before. But I also wonder if this little tidbit of knowledge might tie this group in with the Eternals. I’m pretty sure I spoke about this when we were covering Eternals, but weirdly enough Eternals and the Guardians would combine pretty seamlessly. Think about it, Peter is literally half-celestrial and the Eternals have just broken the cycle of serving them. Now the Guardians have seemingly set up camp in the head of a dead Celestrial, a place I wouldn’t be too surprised the Eternals, who have never lived past the birth of a Celestrial, will go. Not to mention, think of the tone of the Eternals and the fact they’re all split up and with Guardians 3 being a massive ending point for many of those characters, interaction seems inevitable.

Yet we don’t want to bog this down with the technicalities or the stress of what the future may bring because at the end of the day, we got an entire MCU special about two hilarious characters kidnapping Kevin Bacon. I mean, Mantis and Drax may have been quite literally the best two characters for this job. We obviously know the two of them for their interactions and comic relief, so seeing them take on Earth and essentially human traffic Kevin Bacon was honestly having Taylor and I laughing our butts off.

The last thing I want to bring up is the big reveal we got, ironically, prior to the actual premiere of the holiday special. Of course, that is that Mantis is Peter’s half-sister. I mean, when you really take a look back at Guardians 2, it does make a huge amount of sense considering the, uh habits, of Ego. And Mantis with her powers was easily one of Ego’s favorites and why he kept her present in his life. But speaking of powers, we really saw how Mantis has come into her own regarding those and the strength she has. I hope she makes it through Guardians 3 so we can see her continue to grow, along with Peter, although he tends to lose the things he cares most about so who knows. At least now, he has more of a reason to stick around (I’m talking self-sacrifice).

Once again, I have to say we love these little specials we have gotten and I hope Marvel continues to make them moving forward. We also hope that it put you in the holiday spirit and got you ready to put plenty of Marvel-themed gifts on your wish list. We have officially wrapped up the MCU content of this year and with that, we will be returning back to our bi-weekly episodes. Keep an eye out for our next episode that covers the entirety of Phase 4 and what Phase 5 may look like. In the meantime, catch up with the MCU content and our content that came out this year (cause there’s literally a ton), as Marvel just blew your mind, so let’s talk about it.

Image: “Guardians of the Galaxy: Holiday Special”, Jon Winkler, USA Today

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever Reactions

Black Panther

This movie was really special and I think we can all acknowledge that.

From start to finish, this film gave a powerful performance both through its’ storyline and characters. It’s the type of film that I can’t wait to see again just to absorb everything even more and feel like I can understand all the feelings meant to be conveyed. I don’t even want to continue to gloss over this from an overhead point of view, so let’s get ourselves right into breaking down this film. We had a lot to talk about in this podcast episode, so make sure you are giving it a listen. You can find your listening platform of choice by clicking the button below or listen right here in this blog post by hitting play on the link provided.

There isn’t any other way to start a movie that’s primary purpose is to grieve someone than with a moment of silence. I mean, obviously, the film began with us seeing the repercussions of T’Challa’s sickness and the moment he passes. This brings a shock factor, but the moment of silence during the montage of T’Challa drove this all home. It was like the opening of Infinity War, where it immediately let you know you were in for a different type of Marvel movie. My theater was silent during this moment, not even a single person breathing could be heard (and I promise I’m not being dramatic).

After the credits, we went right into the funeral scene, which was truly breathtaking. The Wakandans believe in celebrating life, but it was opposed by this feeling of overwhelming grief that came from Shuri. The way these scenes clearly conveyed these feelings made us immediately understand whose feelings we were going to be following throughout the film. And we did just that. We followed Shuri on her ride through the five stages of grief, and we will obviously get more into this in a moment, but I have to say that Letitia Wright gave the performance of a lifetime. Taking Shuri from the brightness of where she was when her brother was alive to the darkness she was at after his death and all the feelings in between was truly powerful.

Shuri was the obvious choice for the next Black Panther as we moved into this film, but there’s a surreal feeling when you enter a film about a character that was never supposed to be anything too much. Maybe eventually we would have seen Shuri take on the BP mantle, but we know it was never in the plans for the next few phases. It felt like truly uncharted territory, but it gave the movie an essence of never truly knowing what was going to happen. She is going to be an extremely gifted BP and will be quite the protector and asset to the Wakandian community.

There’s a distinctive reason I phrased that the way I did. Shuri is a force driven by teachings she learned from two different yet similar men. For one, she grew up with her brother and learned, obviously, so much from him. She saw him become king and a leader, along with a protector and a superhero, all in one. So to be able to see all of this and not have it impact her would have been strange. But never in my life did I think she was as impacted as she was by Eric Killmonger than this film portrayed. First off, I, of course, never imagined we were going to see Killmonger in this film, especially in this capacity. But man did it put me on the edge of my seat. Shuri was in a place where she understood Killmonger more than her brother, which is why she saw him after taking the herb. She needed to hear from him because she felt his rage. It was a powerful scene and it resulted in such a cool freaking suit, showing both the silver and gold of T’Challa and Killmonger. She went into battle bringing the teachings of both men with her, going after Namor on the water because that’s what Killmonger would have done, but sparing him because that is what her brother would have done. I’m excited to see if we will continue to see this duality as Shuri continues to grow as a character.

We’re going to pivot now to the ‘villain’ of this film. I am beyond happy to say Taylor and I got one thing right out of our whole predictions episode and that is that Namor will return. But before I get ahead of myself, let’s talk about the MCUs first official mutant. He was awesome, and his story proved why he was considered an anti-hero. Namor fit the same mold Killmonger did in the form of creating a character who you understood why he was doing what he was doing. You might not have agreed with it, but you understood their reasoning and want to do it. And quite frankly, he was a formidable force along with his Atlantian army. The similarities between the two nations formed the story so well, and I am quite excited to see where Atlantis and Namor appear again in the future. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see Namor appear in a future mutant-related piece of content. I don’t think we will see him and his people cross paths in the way we saw here with the Wakandans again, although, for obvious reasons, I expect to see future interactions. There is one other place I could see him ending up, and that is with the Defenders. Put aside the Netflix series for a second. The original group of Defenders included Dr. Strange, Namor, and the Hulk. We clearly now have all three of those characters, so it could be an interesting way to bring the Defenders into the MCU!

We can’t go anywhere without talking about M’Baku and his clear step up into brotherhood and mentorship. We knew going into this film that Winston Duke had gotten an extended role after the passing of Chadwick, and we now see just how important his character has become and will be in the future of the Black Panther franchise. He is King of Wakanda, but not the Black Panther, as Shuri will wear that title after giving him the throne. I think this was the best-case scenario, as M’Baku was born to be a leader, while Shuri knew she was never meant to be Queen. But she is gifted with intelligence and is naturally a fighter. Plus, the relationship the two of them has is solid. They trust each other after everything they’ve been through and we all know how important having strong relationships are in the MCU. But he was also hilarious in this film, providing some great moments of comic relief needed in such a heavy film. While I know it was due to circumstances, I am looking forward to this continued expansion of his role.

Briefly, I want to talk about Valentina. So we learned she is now the head of the CIA, which should make things like the Thunderbolts pretty interesting. It now explains why she has such leverage over certain characters (like Bucky), who many couldn’t figure out why would join the Thunderbolts. I’ve said this before, but I see her being the Nick Fury of this group, and she clearly has the resources for it. But it also means that we may already have a corrupt individual high in our government. On top of this, we have a certain Carter who was just reinstated and also happens to be known as the Powerbroker. Pretty much, I’m trying to tell you that I’m going off the wall as we get these breadcrumbs for things like Cap 4 and the Thunderbolts.

For obvious reasons, this film was an emotional rollercoaster. In my opinion, many deserve awards for the performances they gave (and no I’m not a ‘all Marvel movies need awards’ kind of person) but truly to convey emotions and move an audience the way many of these actors and actresses did is beyond impressive. But the very last moment I want to discuss is the last few scenes of the movie itself and then the end credit scene. For one, the movie opening with T’Challa’s death and his funeral and then ending with Shuri burning her funeral wear was a stunning symbolism to all that has happened both in the film and in real life. Seeing the flashes of T’Challa and the moments she shared with her brother is what I have to admit finally is the moment my eyes welled up. But then we got something even more beautiful, which was Shuri meeting her nephew. Many speculated that a storyline of this caliber would come along, but the hype of it seemed to fade away the closer we got to the film. To those who stayed true believers, you were 100% right that T’Challa did bare a son before his passing. To drive it in our hearts, even more, he not only spent time with his son but prepared him for his death. And then the icing on the cake is that his son is named T’Challa, fixing the wandering question of whether T’Challa should be recast or brought in from another universe.

So where will this take us? I’m going to have to assume that Marvel won’t wait 7-10 years for that 7-year-old boy to age up and be of age to start considering his royal roots. But I also don’t see Marvel giving us such a deep dive into Shuri just to take it away and give her very earned Black Panther title to someone else. I think Phases 5 and 6 will continue to give us Shuri as the Black Panther and, depending on the effects of films like Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars, we will see a somehow aged-up T’Challa II appear to carry us into the next phases and continue critical T’Challa storylines. He may also run with the Young Avengers, who have been continuing to show up since Phase 4 began.

Here we are finishing our coverage of the last major piece of Marvel content for Phase 4 and the calendar year. Unlike spring sometimes, it came in like a lion and out like a panther (see what I did there?). As content slows down for a little, we will be going back to our bi-weekly show schedule. This means in two weeks, get ready for us to discuss Phase 4 and where we think we are going from here. We also have the Guardians holiday special this year, so it isn’t completely over yet! If you have fallen behind at any point, definitely use this time to catch up on both Marvel and our content, as Marvel just blew your mind, so let’s talk about it.

Image: “Black Panther: Wakanda Forever”, Sarah Whitten, CNBC

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever Predictions

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We coming up on the moment of truth.

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever has been the film that I think most have anticipated since knowing it was coming after the first Black Panther and Infinity War/Endgame era. After the first film’s success and the cultural impact, it makes perfect sense why this was. But I don’t need to remind anyone of the events of 2020 that significantly impacted specifically this film and took control of the Black Panther narrative, leading it to a different path than the one it was supposed to take. Here we are, days away from the premiere of the second Black Panther film without their leading actor. Since so much has changed, there was plenty to hit in this predictions episode, so make sure to take a listen before continuing to read this blog post, if you haven’t already. You can find your listening platform of choice by clicking the button or listen in live time by hitting play on the link below!

Since we avoided this topic with a 10-foot stick in our last episode, let’s hit the biggest question right from the jump: who is the next Black Panther? For obvious reasons, I don’t think we need to argue too hard that it is very likely Shuri, but we can’t forget that one of the trailers does show a male Black Panther. So I guess our question more specifically should be: who is the male BP that we see? One running theory that we have is that prior to Shuri ascending the throne (as obviously, the person on the thrown is the one who takes the mantle of the BP), her mother becomes queen. As her mother is obviously older, she may have chosen a warrior to be the BP for her as Shuri is prepped for a thrown she was never supposed to take. On a different note, the suit looked to be very similar to the gold and black suit that Killmonger wore in the first Black Panther film. While I don’t think it is him for obvious reasons, and I don’t expect us to see any multiversal elements in this film, if we are to assume the gold suit stands more for the nemesis, another theory is that the suit itself is stolen. We don’t have much thought on who, but the stolen suit might be what becomes the catalyst for the war between Atlantis and Wakanda. We obviously have some other theories on that one, but a BP suit in the wrong hands could cause a lot of damage.

Moving into the conflict between the two nations, many things might have set it off. Obviously, we have the theory from above, but is it also possible that M’Baku has a role to play in it all. When watching the trailers, the thing that caught my eye was that M’Baku seems to be sharing quite a bit of information about Namor with Shuri and other royal/army figures. This raised the question about how he might know this information and in this moment, even with his obvious redemption, we have to remember that M’Baku did not always agree with how Wakanda handled itself. I wonder if there is a possibility of an old friend (Namor) of M’Baku’s coming to settle a debt they had. Additionally, there is the possibility that T’Challa and Namor had an understanding between the two nations, an understanding that came to an end when T’Challa passed away. Namor’s actor has stated that he sees his character more as an anti-hero, so I do think that means there is a deeper reason why he is doing what he does in the film, just like Killmonger.

There’s one more theory we have on why conflict erupts between the nations of Wakanda and Atlantis, and that is our good friend the colonizer aka Agent Everett Ross. Obviously, we know he is on pretty solid terms with Wakanda after the events of the first Black Panther. After all, he was a huge support to T’Challa when he decided that Wakanda should open its borders. So fast forward now to this trailer where we see a government team exploring the deep ocean, which we can only assume is the U.S. government as they play such a role in most of the other films. They threaten the people of Atlantis, they strike back, and the Dora Milaje intervenes. This would make the two worlds suddenly enemies, as I’m sure governments, in general, have not been kind to nations such as Atlantis. I mean, there is a reason Wakanda kept itself a secret, isn’t there?

As I have mentioned him about forty times, let’s talk about Namor himself. He is the son of a sea captain and a princess of Atlantis, which is what gives him abilities tied to the Atlantian species. On top of that, he is a mutant (yes, I said mutant) who has the following powers:

Aquatic adaptation
Superhuman strength, speed, durability, agility, senses and reflexes
Flight
Longevity
Fireproof
Hydrokinesis
Echolocation
Electric shock
Marine life empathy, telepathy, control
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namo

Pretty much, this guy is loaded with mutant powers and is technically the first real mutant we are seeing who knows fully what they are. He is going to be a force in this film and due to his powers and run in the comics, will likely make a continued appearance after this film. I don’t expect to see a Killmonger end to Namor, not with the potential he has as a character or with the fact he is a mutant.

The final topic I want to make sure is hit before we get into our end credit predictions is Riri Williams making her MCU debut. This really excites me, as we have gotten a lot of origin stories on Disney+ and I like that Riri’s is going to be like how we used to get new characters: they just sort of appear in the movie. I think it will also bring a different tone to Ironheart when it does come out because we won’t be starting from the very beginning with this character. But we do need to touch on her role in this film, as it’s pretty important to know her involvement. It seems from the trailer she is quite close to Shuri, which obviously makes sense based on their genius backgrounds. Yet, I want to know how they met? Did it come from Shuri’s time working in California? Did they meet randomly? Or is Riri crashing into Wakanda from a different connection and she and Shuri hit it off? Either way, it will be interesting to see her level of involvement in this film and what relationships she maintains in Wakanda afterward.

Let’s finish this out with some end-credit predictions. We have gotten confirmation that there is only one end credit scene (sad), but that doesn’t mean we don’t have some great thoughts on what it might contain. One possible end-credit scene is Namor interacting with another mutant/X-Men. This could help explain where his character goes after this film, although I do think we are only jogging to the mutant storyline, so I’m not sure I expect to see any big characters appear here. Another possibility is any Ant-Man-related scene, as that is the next film and has had a trailer already drop only a few weeks ago. This would be fairly on par with how Marvel has used at least one end-credit scene to usually hint at the next film. The next theory could be that it is Riri setting up for her show, although I think this one would be disappointing. I’m excited about her role in this film and her show, but I don’t think we will need the end-credit scene to get us there. Lastly, and likely my favorite, is that someone really important, especially to Wakanda, is revealed to be a Skrull. Secret Invasion is coming very quickly and I think this would be a great reveal, just like it was after Far From Home. It also could be fitting, as in the comics, Black Panther does go to war against the Skrulls in Wakanda. This one would definitely shock me the most and as we haven’t gotten anything more than a trailer for Secret Invasion yet, it would be extremely fitting to start building the hype for it.

It’s safe to say we are really excited to see what comes out of Black Panther: Wakanda Forever. The first few rounds of reviews are coming in and it is certainly scoring high. It is bound to be an emotional trip and we can’t wait to cover our reactions to it and hear what you all thought! One last thing to remember as you enter this movie this weekend is that this is the finale of Phase 4 and moving forward we will be in Phase 5 of the MCU, so definitely get ready as we move closer to films like Avengers: Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars. As always, keep up with all this great content, along with ours, as Marvel just blew your mind, so let’s talk about it.

Image: “Black Panther: Wakanda Forever”, Koimoi Team, Koimoi

She-Hulk Episode 9

She-Hulk

The highs and lows of She-Hulk culminated in the season finale.

I say season because I think we got a weird form of confirmation that we are going to be getting a second season of She-Hulk. But more importantly, we got one of the most interesting season finales for Marvel TV that I think if you stare at too long you may just start to like a little less than you did before. I’m here for the risks it took, but we also have to look at it as a whole finale and what it did and didn’t bring to the table. Before I get into the details of it all, make sure you listen to the podcast episode, either by clicking the button below to find your listening platform of choice or by listening live by hitting play on the link provided.

Before the episode even officially began we got a little treat for those who know the OG Hulk show. Thanks to my dad who watched the old Hulk show regularly, I immediately recognized the entrance to the show. I theorize that the OG-Hulk entrance might be a way of showing the direction the Hulk family may be going after this show. I’m not saying the original Hulk actor will return, but the entrance might be a way of showing that Marvel isn’t worried about bringing back some old friends.

Moving to the meat of the episode, I’m going to split this into before the field trip, the field trip, and after the field trip, just to make it as easy as possible to follow. So let’s get into the part of the episode prior to our little adventure with Jen. I wasn’t surprised for a second that Jen was in jail, but I think it’s widely unfair considering she didn’t actually harm anyone, even if that is me just being a Jen apologist. Either way, we see once again what not having the Avengers and Tony Stark behind you looks like in this post-Endgame world and the repercussions for the enhanced. Yet beyond all this, what got me heated was that Jen lost everything once again because she is She-Hulk, bringing the show full circle. Poor girl seems to be one of the few heroes that society does not put on a platform when it comes to consequences.

Everything culminates to the point where we learn that Todd (aka the loser dude Jen went on a date with) is Hulkking, Abomination and Hulk start their rematch and Titania crashes in for her 5 seconds of fame. All sounds good, right? Not at all. I’m really glad we end up on the field trip, which we’ll get to in a moment because this finale was not doing it for me. But in reality, even with the field trip, I’m still disappointed in how things went. I thought Todd being the Hulkking was extremely disappointing, and not just because we theorized something entirely different. I just think we finally could’ve had some huge repercussions from a show and instead had a write-off. Todd being Hulkking just felt so blah, like we were going up a rollercoaster, getting ready for the big fall, and then we never actually have a drop. Hulk coming in to save the day, as Jen even points out, felt so random and him facing Abomination after what seemed to be a round of forgiveness on both ends was just awkward. Then lastly, I have been pretty vocal about how I felt Titania was wasted in this show, and this final episode really solidified that in my opinion.

Let’s get into probably one of the most iconic moments in MCU TV history (and what I think saved this finale), which was our field trip into the metaverse. She-Hulk quite literally broke the fourth wall so hard that she popped out of her show, traveled through Disney+, and went into real-time to fix how wonky her show was getting. And I think we can all agree one of the best parts of it was the fact that they had a droid named K.E.V.I.N. calling all the shots. But because of this very fact, this means that even the Assembled universe can’t be ours, right? Obviously Kevin Feige the person exists in our universe, not an AI version. I don’t want to cause any headaches but I think this confirmed a whole other universe altogether writes the Marvel content…but jeez I can feel the headache coming on from thinking too much about this.

What was really great about the field trip and the conversation Jen had with K.E.V.I.N was that she called out the Marvel formula that we have all discussed in length, especially these past few months. Jen wasn’t going to stand to have her show fall to the same thing, which is extremely cool at how self-aware she is, and stressful that I have to think what half of that means. But she also sat and asked some great questions, like when the X-Men might come, which proves that the sole purpose was truly to show how aware Marvel is of everything we do and say about them. That sounded way more ominous than I anticipated, but it’s true. Time and time again this series proved Marvel listens to us a lot more than I think we realized and now they’re throwing that right back to us.

Returning to the show (literally), I was pretty upset that everything was sort of wrapped up. I describe to Taylor on the podcast that it felt like someone forgot to tell me the commercial was over and now I missed a whole section of the show. It didn’t feel like we really got a conclusion or climax to the story, which really sucked. That’s why for me this finale was definitely not my favorite, even with the fourth wall break, because beyond that there wasn’t really much of a finale.

Besides the fact we got Daredevil to come back in this episode and it seems the relationship he shares with Jen will be just solid enough to give her a guest spot on his future show, the last big thing we have to cover is Bruce’s return with, ah, his son. As promised in the podcast, here’s the history of Skaar. Hulk, as we know spent time on Sakaar battling his way around. While there, at least in the comics we aren’t positive of the whole background in the MCU, he falls for a woman named Caiera and she becomes pregnant. She is killed and Hulk returns to Earth, not aware that his child lived. The child grows up fatherless until he eventually makes his way to Earth for revenge on the father who he thought left him. Obviously, we know this doesn’t seem to be exactly where the MCU is going, as the two of them are on some father/son adventure and meeting the family. It is important to note, however, that Skaar, like his father, can return to a human form, so it will be interesting to see if this holds true for the MCU Skaar.

The final piece of this puzzle is that with Skaar’s arrival and the recasting of General Ross (later to become Red Hulk) by Harrison Ford, it seems pretty possible our future lies either in Planet Hulk or World War Hulk. We are talking about roughly 5 (since Red Hulk is still rumored) gamma-effected beings on the table, so these storylines shouldn’t be too surprising to hear being rumored. Keep an eye out for more Hulk-related Marvel announcements, which I think we will be seeing come in the next few months.

That’s all I’ve got about She-Hulk: Attorney at Law. As the show seemingly confirmed, we may be seeing the second season of this character and I can say I wouldn’t be against that at all. It definitely went in a new direction, even if I didn’t always love what we were getting. She-Hulk is still a pretty solid MCU show and I am excited for her future in the MCU and where she will fit among other heroes. We are hoping you guys kept up with She-Hulk and stayed along for the ride since this is our last MCU show of this year already. But don’t worry, we will be spending three weeks covering Black Panther: Wakanda Forever so get your tickets and get ready, as Marvel just blew your mind, so let’s talk about it.

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She-Hulk Episode 8

She-Hulk

We may have just witnessed one of the best Marvel TV show episodes so far.

From start to finish, this episode was absolutely perfect. It didn’t miss with everything we saw and it kept me dedicated to it the entire time. Not once was I worried about how much time was left, I was just enjoying every second. But let’s not skirt around the elephant in the room, which is Daredevil making his official appearance finally in She-Hulk. We will get into this and the big ending in a moment, but right before we do, make sure you guys are checking out our full podcast episode. You can listen on your platform of choice by hitting the button below or start listening here in live time by clicking the play button on the link provided.

Let’s get right into talking about one of the biggest parts of this entire episode which was the appearance of Daredevil himself, Matt Murdoch. I knew as soon as Luke didn’t have a lawyer that Matt would be making an appearance and I have to say it feels good to know I was right that these two would originally meet in court. It was just too fitting and I mean, probably would have been one of the biggest misses ever if Marvel didn’t do it. But honestly, what we got after that was just a treat.

Obviously, we speculated a little about the relationship that She-Hulk and Matt would have, as the trailer revealed some flirtiness and the fact that she would face him both as Matt and as Daredevil. But in no way did I think Jen would end up unmasking him, the two of them would take down Leap Frog together, then go back to Jen’s and, well, do it. Honestly, I absolutely loved it. There are so many ways this shouldn’t have worked and so many ways it should’ve and I was living for everything Marvel gave us. I really, really hope now that the rumors of Jen appearing in Daredevil: Born Again are true, since their relationship made it much further than I could’ve ever imagined it would.

Really quick, I want to talk about the two little Easter eggs we got during this episode, which took place about 5 seconds apart from one another. One, we got a reference to Wolverine with Nikki and the make up brushes, which seems even more fitting since we have gotten the confirmation that Hugh Jackman is returning to the role in Deadpool 3. The second was a reference to Red Hulk, who has been rumored to be coming for quite some time, and as the Hulk family expands, has some good chances of making an appearance soon.

Before I get into the final part of this episode, I need to get something off my chest. TEAM CAP FOR THE WIN!! Okay, so I had to say that but the reason I do is because we received confirmation that the Accords have been repealed. Obviously, that means that they were found to not be helpful or didn’t work or honestly, I don’t know, but either way the government repealed the Accords. For those who receive our newsletters (which you can sign up for here), you’ll know I covered who was right in Civil War and went in depth on what the Accords actually had included. I gave the Accords to Cap, looking only at the facts of the matter. Anyway, my whole point is do any research on the Accords and it makes sense as to why they were revoked and it will be an interesting path forward with this knowledge, especially because we pegged the DODC for upkeeping the Accords. But if they are gone, what is the real job of the DODC?

I’m not going to get too far into the details of the ending, as Taylor and I pretty passionately talk about it in the full podcast episode. But what I will say is the bigger repurcussions of Jen losing control of the Hulk will finally paint her as the one thing this show hasn’t been able to and that is someone who can lose control. From the beginning Jen had more control over her Hulk form, until mysoginistic men went for the low blow of releasing a sex tape that she didn’t even consensually make. I won’t get heated here in this blog post, but I think listening to the podcast y’all know pretty much how I feel. This series conclusion is going to be a big turning point for Jen, as people are going to now look at her as the monster she can be, just like how they looked at Bruce for a very long time. I’m anxious to see who the cowards behind the masks really are and how or if we get a full conclusion to this chaos.

I once again will reiterate that I adored this episode and it is one of the best Marvel show episodes I’ve seen. I hope the conclusion to this show gives exactly what this episode did. Yes, I did say conclusion, as we are working our way fast to the last episode of She-Hulk. This brings us to the end of Marvel TV for the year, leaving us with just one more piece of content, which is Black Panther: Wakanda Forever. As usual, make sure you are keeping up with this content, as Marvel just blew your mind, so let’s talk about it.

Image: “She-Hulk Episode 8”, Blair Marnell, Super Hero Hype