Marvel Replay Episode 6: Ant-Man & Captain America: Civil War

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I’m not sure if I’ve said this before but these two are probably two of the strongest to watch together in a Replay episode.

As Taylor and I have journeyed our way through the Replay series, we have had some, let’s say “odd”, mashups. I mean, even the past two episodes covering GOTG1 and CATWS and GOTG2 and AOU are not precisely on the same level. Actually, they aren’t even on the same planet as each other. But this week, we have an excellent pairing that not only goes well together but are pretty vital homework films for the upcoming Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania film. That being said, I put a little warning that Civil War had the potential to nearly be its’ own episode, just due to all the massive repercussions from it, so we are a little skewed in our time allotted to each film in this episode. Either way, this is a great episode that we are hoping you guys love hearing. If you haven’t had a chance to listen, click the button below to find your listening platform of choice, or start listening live from the link provided.

Starting with Ant-Man himself, I want to discuss Scott Lang as a person. I might just be dumb but I will say the first few times I’ve seen the movie, I didn’t put together that Scott is gifted in electrical engineering. And once I noticed that I realized his tinkering around with the suit and his ability to build and create things like he did during the initial heist at Hank Pym’s home made a lot of sense. I mean, this guy is really gifted, and while we are used to him being the comic relief, which might distract a little from his vast knowledge, it’s definitely important to note. He isn’t just a common criminal and Hank knew that.

Now to the suit itself. The most interesting thing about this film, in my opinion, is the history of the suit more than anything else. We get a lot of origins from Marvel but most don’t have an origin inside the origin. Think about it, watching Cap become the first super soldier doesn’t tie to any other stories in history about super soldiers. Same with Iron Man, there was no Iron Man before Tony there was. No such thing as a man flying around in a metal suit. They started that themselves. But Scott in his origin movie inherits a suit that not only has a history but also has a tragic story tied to it. A story you would think would have been released with Black Widow’s choice to release all SHIELD and Hydra files. We actually don’t learn until the next movie we are going to discuss that these files were still heavily encrypted, but I have to say, I read this as a move from the Russo brothers to try and close that chapter a little since it appeared no other director wanted to touch what they had done in CATWS. Either way, logically speaking, a man like Darren if he wanted to would have had a team working on those files and the Ant-Man wouldn’t have been a myth any longer.

I don’t want to stray from the history of the suit because it really is important to what we know about the wider MCU and for the future with Ant-Man 3. For one, Hank used this suit during the Cold War, a time when the only hero known was still frozen in ice. He operated very much like Cap did in WW2 and it’s interesting to see the effects Hank and Janet had on history that the majority of the world doesn’t even know happened. However, I did mention the tragic aspect of this history, which is that Janet, who also wore a suit, went subatomic to stop a nuke and disappeared into the Quantum Realm. This forces Hank into his own form of retirement, but it introduces us to something we actually see later in the film, which I totally don’t remember from earlier viewings. We enter the Quantum Realm when Ant-Man goes subatomic to stop Darren and actually, he sends Darren there as well. That first glimpse, little did we know, would begin quite the journey with Ant-Man, as his second and third films are based in the Quantum Realm as well. It makes his films probably the most cohesive, but also makes even the first one more important than we will ever know, as the Quantum Realm is also how they got time travel to work in Endgame.

I promised myself not to go off too much about the Quantum Realm as we will have plenty to talk about with that with our Ant-Man 3 predictions episode. So instead I want to keep us in the realm of Darren, who is very clearly unhinged. Hank mentions that Darren’s use and trials of some of the technology that Darren has been creating have affected his mind and leaves us to conclude this is why he is so off-kilter. But in reality, it only makes me more intrigued about the relationship he and Hank shared, as Hank created the monster of a person that Darren becomes. I mean, at one point he even had his daughter so alienated she help vote him out of his own company. This is one of the few movies I wish we had a prequel to, just because Darren shares a strange relationship with Hope and Hank, which we only see glimpses of as Scott comes into the fold. But it makes Darren an interesting villain, one that grew beneath others’ failures and disappointments. Sounds a lot like Hydra.

Did I say Hydra? Yea, I did, because the movie did too. It was a small comment made, could’ve been a throwaway line in itself, but Darren was selling his Yellowjacket suit to members of Hydra. I don’t remember this from before, but keep in mind at this point SHIELD, with Hydra wrapped inside of it, fell roughly two movies ago. We see in AOU that the Avengers are taking out Hydra bases while on the search for the Tesseract, but we’re kind of led to assume after that that Hydra is pretty much gone. And I wouldn’t have an issue with them mentioning Hydra in this film if it led to more than it does. Now, I will give the benefit of the doubt to Marvel and say, by this point, we are barreling towards our purple grape storyline, so things such as Hydra can be phased out as the world itself is about to be attacked by more aliens with powerful rocks. So I will say, the only way this throwaway line won’t disappoint me is if Hydra is brought back up in Phase 5, since it was pretty absent from all of Phase 4. The line confirms the existence of Hydra and that means I want to see where they are and what they’re up to.

The last thing I want to touch on before I open the can of worms of Civil War is that Hank at one point mentions that he no longer wears the suit due to the toll it took on him. Now, the way he sets this up makes it sound like it is more than just the emotional toll of losing his wife. With this statement comes my concern now for Scott, who has been wearing and utilizing the suit for quite a few years now in the current MCU. If a toll can be taken on someone who uses the suit often, then I think we have good reason to believe Scott might be in danger. And honestly, it does make sense, as I can’t see how shrinking and enlarging yourself all the time can be physically good for anyone. Just some food for thought as we come up on the culmination of Ant-Man’s trilogy.

I have to be honest, this is about to be a lot as we move to Civil War. First, a disclaimer is that Taylor and I are very passionately Team Cap, and so in all honesty, I will leave that out of this post as much as possible. If you would like to hear our reasoning, give the episode a listen as we both explain our feelings, but I feel you all don’t need to read how much we don’t really like Iron Man. I’ll give an honest attempt to avoid bashing Tony, but I will apologize now if I do.

I want to start with the opening scene/battle, which is where Cap & Co. takes on Crossbones aka Rumlow from CATWS. Two things I want to say. One: Crossbones was an extremely wasted character in my opinion, as he’s an interesting villain who would have actually been even more interesting to see now that Sam is Cap. I do like the continuity of him being the person they’re after, especially as it relates to this being Cap’s movie, but I think it would’ve been more interesting to utilize him more aggressively later in one of Sam’s storylines. My other thing is simply this: I hate what happens in this film regarding Wanda, specifically as it all relates to this scene. Had she not removed the bomb from the location in the market, people would have died. Obviously, we saw what happened when she tried to move the bomb elsewhere. Unfortunately, this Wanda is not yet at the place she is when she embraces being the Scarlet Witch and so she did what she could to save lives. I find the whole thing that happened and the blaming that took place frustrating. Not to mention, Crossbones was essentially stealing a virus that who knows what he would have done with.

With this same thought, when General Ross is discussing the battles and subsequent deaths/destruction that follow, he mentions New York and Sokovia. Granted, Sokovia was 100% Tony’s fault, but what Ultron did with the city was something they were the only ones qualified to stop. Same with New York, had the Avengers not been there, there simply would have been a successful alien invasion and thousands would have died. Better yet, the government would’ve nuked the island of Manhattan. Imagine that. So I have to say, some of his points on why the Avengers need governing don’t really strike me as their fault.

I can’t in good faith talk about this film without of course bringing up Bucky and how much I love him. I’m kidding (not really), but I do have to say multiple times in this film we see The Winter Soldier and we see Bucky, and I think Sebastian Stan’s ability to shift these two personas back and forth is incredible. On top of that, I think it really shows that Bucky does pull his punches and has no urge to kill people, even though he’s highly qualified in doing so. But when The Winter Soldier appears, that’s a different story. The Winter Soldier singlehandedly took out just about all the Avengers and if anyone forgot or wasn’t paying attention, technically would’ve shot Tony in the head. With Bucky, we see him pull his punches especially with Spider-Man, as he isn’t trying to kill him, but also realizes there’s a whole kid under the mask. It’s just an interesting comparison we see and this film really is where we see the two sides, rather than in TFAWS, where we see more of Bucky in control of himself.

Speaking of Spider-Man, I have to say something for all you Team Iron Man folks out there and you might not like it. If Spider-Man knew the whole situation, if he didn’t blindly follow and trust Tony Stark because he’s Tony Stark, you couldn’t tell me he wouldn’t have been Team Cap. I mean, he even makes a comment about helping the little guy because he can that us watching can see register in Tony’s face that he knows this kid doesn’t agree with him. I find it pretty interesting that Peter doesn’t ask for more details for a fight he is being flown across the country for, but I also understand that he’s blinded by the offer. Speaking of being flown across the country though, I have to say I still don’t love how Spider-Man was introduced into the MCU. It felt a little lazy and abrupt, unlike Ant-Man’s inclusion, which felt natural since we had just seen his movie. It’s still a main complaint of mine, but over the years I have grown to accept it for what it is.

The last thing I want to get into here is the final fight between Cap, Bucky, and Tony. As a Bucky girl, I will always defend him as far as this situation because he had no control over himself when he killed the Starks and he is burdened with remembering the kills. But I won’t say I don’t understand Tony’s anger, I just think he reacted like an idiot. Cap 100% should have told him, but fighting the way they did was ridiculous, allowing Zemo to get exactly what he wanted. The comparison between Tony and T’Challa was insane, as we see T’Challa speaking to the man who killed his father days ago and stopping his suicide, while Tony was tearing through two super soldiers for a loss he experienced years back. It was an interesting character study in my opinion, even if I found the fight ridiculous for being the reason it all ended.

I lied, this is the last thing I want to discuss. This pivots slightly from Civil War, more so dealing with the bigger effects of the ending scene. We see Cap extend the olive branch to Tony and in this film, you truly sit there and think they will work it all out. Yet, we obviously see this isn’t true, as in Infinity War, Tony does everything he can to avoid calling Cap, and then in Endgame, dared to blame Cap for not being there. I know I said I would try not to bash Tony, this just makes me so angry as he makes it everyone else’s fault but his own. This is pretty much the theme of Tony’s character starting in this film. Either way, this film’s ending is so critical to moving the rest of the MCU to its’ final moments.

This is the final Replay episode for the time being, as we are less than one week away from Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania. This is surely going to be filling up our timeline as far as coverage for the next few weeks, so keep an eye out for our predictions episode, coming out today. If you haven’t gotten your tickets yet, get a move on! We’re excited and we hope all of you are as well because Marvel is about to blow your mind, so let’s talk about it.

Image: “Ant-Man”, Wikipedia

Image: “Captain America: Civil War”, Disney

Marvel Replay Episode 5: Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 & Avengers: Age of Ultron

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Another two great films to continue our replay with.

Riding off the tail of our last replay episode, we looked at GOTG2 and AOU this week, two films that I can confidently say Taylor and I don’t rewatch often. There’s, of course, nothing wrong with these films, and AOU holds a very special place in my heart, but they usually fade into the background for us. This just means that rewatching them was a great experience, as we could pick up on some of the small things. Not to mention, GOTG2 is an extremely strange rewatch now that Eternals has come out, and I can assure you a lot of our analysis is figuring out how Ego fits into our new understanding of the Celestials. All of this being said, let’s get right to it! As always, to hear our full thoughts and explanations, you can click the button below to find your listening platform of choice or start listening live by hitting play right in this blog post.

I already alluded to the main topic on our minds about Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2, so let’s start with this film and get right into it. We are introduced to Peter’s dad, a character that we received quite a few interesting cues about in the first Guadians’ film. But what makes him more interesting than 90% of the horrible fathers the MCU puts forward is that he is a Celestial. Now, years ago, when this film came out, this was only the second movie, besides GOTG1 to mention this type of being. But now we can look at this from a completely different lens as we have Eternals, which broke down Celestials in a brand new way. Let’s get into some of these questions that I can’t say we have answers to, but we are still extremely curious about.

One of the most prominent things from Eternals is that Celestials need a certain amount of power, driven by living things, to emerge from the planets they are ‘placed’ in. Let’s run with this a little and apply it to Ego. Ego explains that when he was born (emerged), it was just his brain. He was aware of everything around him and pulled pieces floating in space around his brain to create his first so-called body aka his planet. My best running theory here is that for some reason, his emergence went wrong, and he never was born with a body. To protect himself, he sucked the debris from the planet his emergence destroyed back to him. Now I have no clue why an emergence wouldn’t go right, or at least how it could go so wrong the Celestial doesn’t have a body, but it’s all I can think of. Luckily, others have put some thought into this and come up with a great theory. Essentially, this theory believes that the Eternals on Ego’s planet were unable to prevent a catastrophic event from possibly killing great numbers of beings. Because of this, the other Celestials assume Ego to be unable to emerge or is dead, but rather the disturbance awakens him earlier than planned, leaving him with just a brain. Ego assumed himself to be the only one, but I figure he found other Celestials when he journeyed to other planets. This angered him and is part of the reason he wished to spread on other planets, to assert his dominance as a Celestial and prevent other Celestials from emerging.

While we sum this all up to say he is clearly a different type of Celestial/something didn’t go right with his emergence, it’s still hard to wrap your head around. The worst part is, we likely will never get more information on him now that he has been destroyed, unless Eternals 2 hits on it, so the discrepancies are just going to run wild, and all we can do is pray we find theories to fill them. I hope maybe Eros brings some knowledge to the party in Eternals 2, since he seems to have some knowledge about taking down Celestials, but we shall see.

Beyond the Celestial debate, we also have Eternity’s name dropped in this film, and yes, that’s Eternity with a capital “E.” Of course, this should sound familiar to everyone because not that long ago we were watching Thor: Love and Thunder, in which we meet Eternity. To Taylor’s point, this isn’t super weird since Ego considered himself a God, and you need a God to help open the gateway. What’s mainly the most interesting is that this was dropped to us in roughly 2015, and we didn’t think a thing of it until a movie that came out in 2022 brought our attention to it. I like when things happen like that.

Of course, as with all other Marvel movies up to this point, we also got our usual cameo from the man himself: Stan Lee. But I have to bring attention to this one specifically since it’s a little different than the others. For one, he looks as if he is talking to three Watchers, which is something we would not have thought of at all at the time this film came out. It is especially interesting because if you catch what he’s saying, he’s essentially telling them he has been playing different roles in all the storylines we see as films. Now, this gets into some of the meta things we are hitting now with the Quantum realm and Multiverses, but this pretty much means Stan was never technically a character and was instead almost crashing in, as he exists outside all those storylines, like the Watcher. It definitely has layers to it, which I don’t want to think too much about for fear of destroying my brain, but it’s pretty freaking cool.

Lastly, I have to wrap up GOTG2 by saying this movie really solidified how much I love these characters. They’re extremely dysfunctional, but they are a family, and I really had fun getting to rewatch this franchise. It makes me even more nervous about what is coming in GOTG3, as I feel like I’ve fallen in love all over again with this group. And don’t even get me started on Baby Groot, him trying to free Rocket and Yondu may just be one of the best things I’ve ever seen in my life.

Turning now to the other film we watched for this replay, Avengers: Age of Ultron, I have to disclose that this film, in my mind, will never do any wrong. This is the film that brought me into the Marvel Universe and started this journey for me, so I will absolutely always hold it very close to my heart for that reason. Do I ignore the last 10-15 minutes and actually just decide the movie ends when they evacuate the city? Of course, because as far as I’m concerned, no one loses their life. I don’t know what everyone is talking about. But truly, this film doesn’t deserve some of the hate I know it gets from the fans.

The best part about this film is that it is exactly what all the fanfiction in the world is about: the Avengers being a genuine team of heroes that like each other and hang out. If you know what’s coming soon, you know this doesn’t last very long, but it’s there for at least a movie. They joke with one another and have little parties. It’s all very nice to see for the brief little bit that we get it.

Of course, what I appreciate the most is the solid continuity of some parts, while others just sort of, I don’t know, don’t work. For one, I like that the movie shows that they’ve spent so much time together because they were taking out Hydra bases, a direct effect of CATWS. But then again, Black Widow said she was going to disappear for a while because all of her covers were blown, and here she is with the Avengers. I mean, taking out the Guardians films, those movies take place one after the other. Yet, if we flip back to the other side, Sam appears talking about their missing person case aka Bucky, again a direct impact from CATWS. And then we have Fury, who goes AWOL after faking his death, showing up with a SHIELD plane at the end of the film like it’s no biggie. See what I mean? Random parts just don’t listen to the rest, but I do appreciate the scenes that do.

I warned everyone during our CATWS coverage that this film was going to get ugly when it came to talking about my girl Nat. And man, is it ugly. Once again, I reiterate these films technically take place RIGHT AFTER EACH OTHER. So tell me, how did we go from that Natasha to this? I mean, I know how, and it comes 100% down to the director of this film. It just makes me so angry. She was so freaking cool in CATWS, and suddenly they just completely downgrade her. Not to mention, the random and awkward romance between her and Bruce really sets fire to everything. There was never an ounce of chemistry between the two, I don’t know how that even happens. It is one of the biggest pitfalls of this film, and I will stand on that rock alone if I have to.

While we are on the topic of characters, I want to take this moment to talk about Wanda briefly. The first thing I have to say is I miss emo Wanda so much. The other thing, which is much more important, is that if you would have told me what this girl became and what she is capable of in the future, I would have only been shocked because I would have hoped she wouldn’t have had to go through all the pain to get there. I think many people act like she doesn’t have a dark side when quite literally she starts as a Hydra power in this film. Not to mention, look at how she reacted to Pietro’s death. And the final bit of icing on the cake is this girl mind controlled a whole town into evacuating, yet everyone was so shocked at what happened with Westview. We saw what she was capable of doing very early on, and I’m proud of her growth, even if I disagree with how MoM portrayed it.

As we are on the topic, I want to wrap up discussing Thor’s nightmare that Wanda induces. His is the only nightmare that happens perfectly, although I think people tend to focus the most on Tony’s. He loses most of his people, Asgard falls, and Hel(a) is part of the whole equation. The fear that Thor has becomes reality quickly for him, which is something I don’t think many point out. While Tony’s fear partially comes true, Thor’s, except for the fact that he didn’t directly kill his people, comes true. On top of this, he is the one who sees the vision relating to the Infinity Stones and is why Vision is born. I might argue all of this drives Thor to be one of the most integral parts of the team in this film, putting besides all his Godly powers.

While there is much more to talk about, I can’t physically write everything, so go ahead and give our latest Replay series podcast episode a listen if you haven’t already. Next week, we will be continuing the Replay series with Ant-Man and Captain America: Civil War (or the more accurate title of Avengers: Civil War). After that, get ready, as we are gearing up for Ant-Man: Quantumania. Tickets are already on sale so make sure you snag those for opening weekend and stick around here, as we will be covering it from start to finish. As we finish this month, I want to remind everyone to sign up for our newsletter, making its way into your inbox on the first of each month. February’s topic is “Understanding the Quantum Realm,” just in time for Ant-Man 3. In the meantime, watch Ant-Man 1 and CACW so you can be on our level next episode, and remember, Marvel just blew your mind, so let’s talk about it.

Image: “Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2”, Disney

Image: “Avengers: Age of Ultron”, IMDB

Marvel Replay Episode 4: Captain America: The Winter Soldier & Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 1

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Traveling back to Phase 2 this week (three phases ago now if you want to feel some pain).

It has been quite a long time since we visited our Marvel Replay series, as 2022 definitely kept us busy with content. I would like to think we accrued some new fans along the way and I also wouldn’t blame anyone for forgetting what the Replay series is about, so let me provide a little bit of a reminder. Our Replay series looks at the MCU’s first three phases in timeline order. We go back and watch the films and then discuss some of the things the films led to that we didn’t realize at the time, small things we missed, or just general things that no longer make sense due to a continuity issue. This week, we took a look at CATWS (and if I type TFAWS anywhere ignore it) and Guardians of the Galaxy Vol.1. As always, the full episode can be found on the platform of your choice by clicking the button below or you can listen live right now by hitting play on the link provided.

While there isn’t exactly proof that one of these films happens before the other, as one is in space, I’m going to start with CATWS which should come as no surprise to literally anyone. This remains my absolute favorite film that has ever come out of Marvel and no one needs to be shocked as to why. So because I can’t not talk about him, let me jump in about Bucky aka The Winter Soldier right off the bat. Putting aside my love for him, I, to this day, believe he started the streak of really solid villains and especially sympathetic ones. I think he gets written off a lot, especially now that villains like Killmonger and Gorr have appeared, but Bucky is the blueprint for a villain you feel bad for. He’s fighting for a cause that brainwashed him to keep him compliant. And he is one terrifying villain. Something Taylor and I both noticed (technically I’ve noticed before considering I watch this film like once a month) is that if this movie had had a higher rating, Bucky alone would have made it considerably gory. He’s a ruthless killing machine and this is really the only time with the exception of a section of Civil War that we see it clear as day.

I want to talk about Natasha briefly as well, since this is the best version of her we have ever seen on screen. This version of Nat is what the comics created her like and what an assassin of her caliber is built to act like. I will say it again probably every film she is in and you have heard me say it already, but Nat as a character suffered the most throughout the whole MCU, with different directors struggling to portray her. This film played her just right, mysterious but also insanely reliable and she definitely had those Black Widow moves. She isn’t played down because she doesn’t have powers or abilities and she isn’t made to come off differently because she is a woman (I’m looking at you AOU). She is a lot like the Natasha we were introduced to in Iron Man 2, which would be great if we weren’t getting different versions of her everywhere else. While I agree with Taylor in saying Black Widow the film was too late, putting that Natasha up with CATWS Natasha does actually make a lot of sense as a whole.

Last, as far as characters I want to focus on before other plot points is Mr. Steve Rogers himself. This film is also the only time I feel we get a genuine character study on who he is. I think Iron Man’s trilogy did a great job keeping the focus on understanding who Tony is and his struggles, versus Cap’s who really only had this film. His first movie was focused on origin and his third was pretty much an Avengers movie. In CATWS, we get to really understand Steve as he is learning this new world that he finds himself in. He struggles with modern things but also his inner struggle to want to continue to do right thing or just stop and maybe live a life. But most importantly, we see him find a reason to keep going and that’s finding Bucky. Even after everything with SHIELD and Hydra, he finds the one person he always relied on to be there for him, someone he had thought he lost and that helps keep him here in the present. At least until, Endgame (rolling my eyes so hard).

Moving into a huge plot point from this film, something I know Taylor and I discussed during Black Widow and has now appeared again is the fact that Nat unleashes all of SHIELD and Hydra’s classified documents onto the internet. This is a huge moment in the film, with what should be larger implications, but unfortunately it’s something we don’t really get much screentime on at all. We get maybe a throw away line here or there, but we really never see how much this effects the world. Beyond that, films such as Black Widow start to have some issues in them, when theoretically Hydra would likely have known about the operation of the Red Room, especially since Nat put it on the map to begin with. I doubt Hydra knew it was shut down and that information likely would have been in files that, I don’t know, were just plastered on the web. It’s a plot line that I have somewhat given up on ever getting the full effects of and it doesn’t fall on this movie being at fault, more so some of the others for never really picking up the thread.

Pivoting like Ross on Friends, let’s move into a completely different realm and fly ourselves to space, where we see the formation of the Guardians of the Galaxy. The Guardians’ films was the first (in release order) to really touch on this whole space thing and life that sits beyond ours. Yes, we have Thor, but the Guardians show the galaxy in a more in-depth manner and of course the comedy brought a completely different air to these films. Even just rewatching the first one had me cackling at moments, simply because characters like Drax are written so well to have impeccable comedic timing. All five of them are incredibly awkward beings that have enough problems to cover the whole world for awhile, and their teaming up just becomes a weird bowl of almost Avengers. It’s hilarious to watch them interact with each other and is always a good break from some of the more serious storylines taking place on Earth.

But getting into the film’s meat a little more, I want to discuss something that is going to be a big topic when we get into the second Guardians film, which is Nowhere. We are introduced to this “planet” as a mining area for all sorts of rare but powerful materials because the place is the severed head of a Celestial. This is, at the time, the first mention of a Celestial in the MCU. But I want to talk about this for two reasons, one: did the head become severed when the Celestial died of natural causes and it just floated into space? Did someone beat the Celestial in battle? I like the second theory a little more, as I don’t see how a natural death would have completely severed the head, unless someone ripped the body apart after (sorry this seems morbid but it’s essentially like a robot in my head). My point being, if someone either killed or took apart the body of a Celestial, than that is one likely powerful being that I would like to know of. My second reason about the Celestial is that we now have one on Earth that is rumored to have some great materials in their body (Adamantium) that a certain group might be going after in their upcoming film. Seems interesting that a Phase 2 film possibly and unknowingly set something up for Phase 5 and we had no clue.

Let’s momentarily discuss Ronan the Accuser, who starts this film doing Thanos’ bidding and is gifted his two daughters to work with him. First, I have got to say this dude can’t catch a break. Of course I’m not rooting for him, but nothing goes right for him. When Gamora betrays the whole operation, he is single-handedly blamed for alienting Thanos’ favorite daughter. But I also find it interesting thatThanos simply could have used Gamora and Nebula from the jump and gotten the stone rather than using a go-between, which he does a lot in these first few films. It isn’t until AOU, which we will discuss soon, that he decides to take matters into his own hands. A curious thing for the Mad Titan to do. But going back to Ronan something that I didn’t care for much at the time of this film coming out, but now seems a lot more important since Captain Marvel, is that Ronan is a Kree extremist. Which suddenly has me thinking if he knew Captain Marvel for one, and why didn’t she intervene with him at all since he was widely well known in the Galaxy. And the big one for me is, where was she when he tried to destroy an entire planet? Seems like a massive galaxy-wide threat to me. Clearly I have to learn what her criteria is for getting involved in situations.

This film was a big one for the Infinity Saga, as it brought into perspective the Infinity Stones once again. We were introduced to the Power Stone, which doesn’t really need any explanation on what it does. This stone nearly ends up with the Collector, who already has the Aether (Reality Stone) chilling in his collection, but the Guardians of course take the Power Stone once they realize what it is. Personally, this film feels like the first we really begin to understand that Thanos is collecting them and we see that through the lens of Gamora as well. When she realizes the power the stone truly has, she willingly would do anything to avoid it getting into Ronan or her father’s hands. This is where it begins, as the shift between the halves of the Infinity Saga takes place between these two movies. From here, Infinity Stones are everywhere and very quickly so is Thanos. Those familiar with the Phantom of the Opera will know this quote that fits so well here as we go: “Past the point of no return”.

These films together are a little wonky to look at, but they are both great films to go back and watch. Of course, CATWS is known as one of the best, and as I just mentioned, GOTG1 begins us down the slippery slide that we were only coasting down before. As we go further into the MCU at it’s current stage, it’s a lot of fun to go back and see where some of these older films played a bigger part that we didn’t understand before. I hope you guys are enjoying the Replay series as we cover the Infinity Saga because there’s more to come. Our next episode will pick up here with Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 and Avengers: Age of Ultron! Make sure you watch those films in preparation for hearing all our thoughts on them, coming soon. And as always, before Ant-Man 3 comes around, use this time to catch up on Phase 4 content, along with our parallel content, since Marvel just blew your m find, so let’s talk about it.

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Marvel Replay Episode 4: Iron Man 3 and Thor: The Dark World

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And let the dust settle (unironically as we aren’t at Infinity War yet).

This week’s newest episode was an addition to our replay series, taking on Thor: The Dark World and Iron Man 3. The biggest thing both of these films have in common is how they tie directly into the aftermath of the Battle of New York. The other thing they both have in common is that they are typically the more overlooked of the films in the MCU and of their respective franchises (which I mean, makes sense). But before I break into some of our points from this podcast, make sure you listen to the whole episode, linked below, or press the button to find your preferred listening platform!

Let’s begin with Iron Man 3. Personally, out of all three of the Iron Man films, I think this one was both my least and most favorite one, but I have to explain this fully. For one, it holds merit because for once Tony had a villain he created, not his father. He was fighting a fight for a reason that wasn’t beyond him and was actually based on who he used to be. Granted, the villain was weak and didn’t quite fit in the realm of the other two films of who Iron Man’s villains were characterized by, but he was at least Tony’s problem. Two, I love the show of suits. I think seeing all those suits were amazing and Marvel actually did us quite a disservice by not giving us more, especially because they chose to blow them up at the end of the film (I’m facepalming here). So I can say that one of the main issues I had with the previous two Iron Man films were fixed and the show of suits was just amazing. But I think we need to break down some of the issues that plagued this film, especially as we watch it now post Endgame.

A big one I mentioned was that of the main villain being weak. Obviously, the concept behind A.I.M. comes out of the comics, but for the Iron Man that was created for us on screen, the idea of people essentially making themselves fire people felt, I don’t know, almost too weird? And then there was the weird aspect of bringing The Ten Rings back into this, which now having seen Shang-Chi, feels a little random as well. I know something Taylor and I talk about in the podcast is how Tony really just saved the world from aliens and now Iron Man 3 wants us to like that he’s going back to terrorism. In reality, the main reason he went after the terrorists in the first film is that he wanted his own weapons out of their hands, not for the sake of going after them. So to wrap up his trilogy with this slightly strange villain and scapegoat felt a little off.

Since I’m talking about fire people, I also always feel so thrown off about the fact that Pepper becomes an Extremis and then they just like undo it. There’s no other way to summarize that really. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believed the whole Extremis project had to deal with altering parts of the brain’s functioning. As my not yet qualified psych minor has taught me, that is a big, dare I say, commitment, which usually is much harder to just undo. Now, I’m not a doctor or surgeon or anything of the sort, but something like that has always felt, no matter how many times I watch the film, like something that shouldn’t have just been able to be reversed no problem. The best part is the film didn’t even need Pepper becoming an Extremis to move the plot along and would have stood totally fine had that not been included.

As I talk about plot, let’s talk about the arc of the Big Three throughout their trilogies. I want to first preface everything I am about to say with the fact that Iron Man is the first trilogy to conclude, so I do give it the credit it deserves for reaching the finish line first and what goes into being the trailblazer. Yet I have one major issue with the final film. Marvel follows a theme in their trilogies, in which the character loses something but perserveres without it. Tony loses his suits, and the whole idea of losing the suits is that he is supposed to learn he can live without them. My issue is that once he blows up his suits he goes on to make the Iron Legion, Hulkbuster, eventually the Iron-Spider and various other, well variations of suits. It feels very empty, him blowing up his suits just to continue to make them and have them be such a huge part of his life, while the whole lesson was to set boundaries and he could exist without the suit. I mean, we even get the Nanotech by Infinity War. Now don’t worry, I will have this complaint for other films too, so it isn’t just Tony’s that make me angry. Obviously, he isn’t Iron Man without the suit, but the lesson doesn’t seem to stick when he goes right back to his endless tinkering.

But I want to talk about some things I did like about Iron Man 3, since a replay is not meant to only see the parts of the film that are weird or didn’t age properly with the rest of the MCU. As I mentioned before, I loved, LOVED, the suits. The biggest thing I hated about Iron Man 3 was that Tony got rid of them since I think they would have been cool to see again in Endgame. Especially with the outcome of Endgame, having all of Tony’s suits show up would have really been I think a powerful moment. I also think the movie does a great job showing the effects the Attack on New York had on Tony specifically. To be fair, Cap, Nat, and Clint have seen some weird things, Hulk is a weird thing, and Thor is from space, leaving Tony to be really the only one who experienced the weirder of the weird stuff first hand, specifically with the wormhole. It showed the negative effects on Tony’s mental health, something I think they messed up horrendously in Endgame with Thor (we will get there though, don’t worry I have a lot to say about Endgame). Overall, it isn’t one of my favorite films to rewatch, but it definitely is still great and has some hilarious moments between Rhodey and Tony.

Moving to Thor: The Dark World, I want to first mention something said during our last replay episode. Whether you like or dislike the Thor trilogy, especially the first two, they single-handedly carry the Infinity Saga the furthest. Thor: The Dark World shows, yet again, how true this is. Now for a film that is seen as literally one of the worst MCU films to exist, I have to say upon rewatching it, it really isn’t as bad as I remember nor how people paint it. I will say it has plenty of issues, but it is a really interesting film and shows depth to both Thor and Loki that we see only a little of in the first film. It also does a great job in connecting Avengers and then later Ragnorak perfectly and ties it all in a little bow.

To start, something the rewatch left me pondering over greatly was that of the Infinity Stones. We have gotten several explanations of how the stones were created and one comes from this film. The explanation is that it comes from the Dark Elves, while later we are told they were created with the universe. Of course, this could be possibly written off by saying people like Wong and Strange don’t know the Dark Elves created them (since the Thor storylines can fit weirdly in and out of the rest of the MCU). But then there’s the issue with the fact the Aether can only be in liquid form, driven pretty deeply home in TDW. How is it a stone later on? Maybe there’s an explanation later that we have to wait for, but for now, it seems a little awkward.

Speaking of the Aether, I have to say, out of all the people on Earth it chooses to take hold of, of course it’s Jane. I get it, of course, that it was needed for the plot, but I just have to shake my head a little. One of my bigger issues with the first Thor was that Thor is continuously linked (very strongly) to Jane in both of the films and is the main reason he chooses to act. It can just be a little more difficult to see his growth when it is tied directly to another character. But essentially, Thor: The Dark World isn’t inherently bad per se. It definitely has a weaker villain also, but it helps to set up more in Infinity War and the next Thor film. So while it can be a more difficult film to work through, especially on a rewatch when it isn’t your first time, it is a critical film to the rest of the Infinity Saga.

Lastly, I have to bring up the weirdest question that has formed after all of these years (if the fact the Aether being liquid then magically stone shouldn’t have been my weider and main question). How the heck did Loki survive? Now don’t get me wrong, as a Loki stan and a follower of his dying then living trope, I get he’s a trickster and it’s supposed to be part of his character. But how exactly did he manage to live? He couldn’t have been doing an illusion, as his illusions are projections of himself not his actual being, but he was very clearly stabbed through the chest. And now it’s possible he wasn’t killed there and figured a way to shake his injury in order to live, but it certainly feels a little weird. Then when he was posing as Odin, he mentions conversations that Thor and Odin had when Loki was nowhere nearby. It’s a little unclear on how he knew any of this conversation took place and he did almost too good at being Odin that you nearly have to think it makes no sense how Loki managed to do it.

If I am being quite honest, it isn’t unheard of that there are various debates based on which of these two movies is the worst in the MCU. So I guess I have to give all of you the same question to answer.

I hope everyone is enjoying the replay series and are continuing to keep up with it as new episodes come out! We are less than two months out from MoM and MoonKnight and Morbius will be here in about three weeks. With all this exciting content coming, remember we will be going back to our weekly release schedule, with even some weeks with two episodes. There will be so much coming your way, so try your best to keep up, as Marvel just blew your mind, so let’s talk about it.

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Marvel Replay Episode 3: Thor and The Avengers

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Poor Thor has one really annoying brother, huh?

In this Marvel Replay episode, we hit the motherload, breaking down both the first Thor and The Avengers. What is really cool about being able to do these two back-to-back is that they literally bleed themselves right into each other. With the ending of Thor being Loki falling into a spacial abyss and the entirety of the Avengers being all about what Loki got himself into since that moment, we could say these are a perfect recipe for a replay. So without talking too much, make sure you get to listening by clicking the button below to find your podcast listening platform of choice or clicking play on the podcast inserted below.

To begin with Thor, something that both Taylor and I realized early on was that without this film we would have pretty much gotten near to nothing of the first three phases of the MCU. Sometimes it can be forgotten (and since Thor isn’t inherently one of the best movies) that the Thor franchise does play the most prominent role in the Infinity Saga out of the Big Three. And I’m not even talking just the stones but also the presence of Loki. Everything began because Loki was trying to ruin his brother’s big day. So let’s take a little look into Loki.

Something Taylor and I point out in the podcast that we would like to truly understand is where Loki’s corruption began. I don’t for a second that Loki was being evil when letting in the Frost Giants, I just think he is a prankster and wanted to postpone letting his awful brother take the throne of Asgard (which could have been for the better). Even when Thor and Loki are with Sif and the Warriors Three on Jotunheim, Loki helps talk them out of the situation and is ready to leave when Laufey taunts Thor. But then there is the debate on how they even ended up on Jotunheim. The idea to go there was indirectly Loki’s and he brought it up to Thor. In this scene, it is hard to decipher if Loki is manipulating Thor into going there or is being genuine. This leads to this gray area where Loki becomes corrupted. Obviously once Loki starts to figure out he is a Frost Giant and Thor is banished we see Loki take the turn for the worst. Then by the end of the film, it is too late for him to feel accepted in his own family anymore and we know he drops off to become even worse.

Since it was partially brought up before, Thor had one of the better character developments in his first film than arguably most other origins. He truly was unbearable when we first are introduced to him and for some time you almost can side with Loki on how frustratingly ignorant his brother is. But the biggest complaint that I have after watching the film again is that it is slightly frustrating that most of his character arc comes because of Jane. In all honestly, I think I could have done without the romance and just had them be friends and it would have worked really well. Very little time had passed while Thor was in New Mexico, so the deep relationship that forms between him and Jane feels a little unnatural. There isn’t the history of Pepper and Tony and the months that pass during CATFA to build a relationship aren’t there either. I think the relationship surely could have been better executed, especially since we see huge character development in Thor: Ragnorak and there is no Jane there to be a part of it. It definitely was possible to make him worthy without being tied to a love interest, albeit she is an interesting character due to how much of a genius she is.

Moving more into the Avengers front, there is a different level of nostalgia while rewatching this film. The first Avengers film is probably, by far, one of my favorite films to watch, as we see the beginning of what we have learned to love the most: a good team-up. But more importantly, after finishing all the films and being up to date on all of the MCU content, you can look back at this film and see just how much it foreshadows. Obviously, the jabs shared between Cap and Tony while on the SHIELD ship are iconic, as it shows the difference of opinions that essentially help to lead to Civil War. But even down to the small detail, such as having Cap standing on the left and Tony on the right, as they do in the film poster and during the scene of Cap shielding Iron Man’s blast in the final fight scene, are just mind-boggling. They’re so subtle.

But one that I will say caught my eye for the first time (since this might have been my first rewatch of Avengers since Endgame if I’m being honest) is the foreshadowing of Bruce and the Hulk’s character development. For one, Bruce is very clearly against his other half in all of this film, not even calling it by name for most of it, while instead, he comes to peace with him by Endgame and they choose to co-exist (except don’t ask me exactly how that works). Yet another point, though, that may be overlooked is when Bruce and Tony are talking and Tony essentially tells Bruce that the Hulk could have kept him alive for a greater purpose. We very clearly see this then in Endgame, when the Hulk is the one who decides to Snap because he is the only one known to 100% handle it. Bruce and the Hulk’s greater purposes come together and this line is by far one of my new favorite foreshadowing moments in the MCU.

Something that bothers me quite a bit from The Avengers (and I’m sure this is not the first or last time you’ll hear me talk about it) is Natasha’s character. By the time we see Natasha in this film, she had already made her debut appearance in Iron Man 2. We got a stoic, bas*ss woman who very clearly handles her own and embodies what Natasha is in the comics. We really see a woman who is a spy and assassin. But then in The Avengers, we get these moments that seem to tear this down and paint her as an almost desperate woman who becomes shaken easily. We see these moments when she first goes to meet up with Bruce at the beginning of the film and he has a moment where he seems to get very angry (which we know to be bad). It also happens when he first turns into the Hulk. This woman is an assassin who is well versed in her assignments, the Natasha we see in Iron Man 2 would have never have had these moments, same with the Natasha we then see later in The Winter Soldier. The issue with her character development stays shaky throughout pretty much the entire franchise and it is something you can very clearly see when going back and watching the works she is in back to back.

The Avengers film as a whole is a huge stepping point for the MCU, as it greatly furthers the Infinity Stone plot and gives us the OG6. But most importantly, we see Thanos for the first time (looking all grapy). The point of this film in the larger grand scheme of things is unparalleled, but so is the first Thor. Now, while it may not be as remembered or rewatched as The Avengers, the first Thor film is really the only reason any of this happened, circling back to my point from earlier. So it worked very nicely for us to do these two together and we hope you all enjoyed our thoughts on these two films. Remember, to hear everything we discuss in full, listen to the podcast that is linked above, as this blog post only gives a taste of some of our important points. We are also officially one month out from Moon Knight so make sure to prepare for lots of content coming your way, cause Marvel just blew your mind, so let’s talk about it.

Marvel Replay Episode 1: Captain America: The First Avenger & Captain Marvel

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The time has come for our first ever episode of Marvel Replay, and it is a good one (although, aren’t they all a good one?). To kick us off, we are discussing Captain America: The First Avenger (CATFA) and Captain Marvel.

To give a quick background, I want to give a gentle reminder that we are doing the Marvel Replay in Timeline order. If you are new here, I recommend being careful with timeline order now that doing it like that may cause spoilers. If you are a veteran fan, which I assume many are, you have nothing to worry about and can go on right ahead to listening to our thoughts on both of these films. Another thing I want to note is that these episodes cover our thoughts and feelings on the films, which means we may point out some things we don’t love or may discuss how it effects later films. These episodes do not consist fully of rundown episodes like our usual episodes do and we are doing these to cover some of the older material for fun. Keep this in mind! We love all of these movies, but a good fan can criticize something they love. So without further ado, listen to the entire podcast episode to hear our take on CATFA and Captain Marvel!

https://anchor.fm/ltmft/embed/episodes/Episode-12-Marvel-Replay—Captain-America-The-First-Avenger–Captain-Marvel-e17fpum

Now, to start with CATFA, I have to say, is a doozy. I think a lot happens in this movie that establishes so much in the MCU. What I will say I like is that it was not the first film to come out (Iron Man was), so when watching in timeline order, some of the kinks have already begun to be worked out. I think my biggest issue, which Taylor can agree with, is that some of the CGI of the film itself has not exactly aged very well. But listen, if this is our biggest complaint then that means that this has to be a pretty good movie.

As an origin story goes, it does a great job in establishes the man of Steve Rogers and shows why he is the most worthy (see what I did there) of all to get the super soldier serum. I think when you know the character and where he goes, seeing his origin and knowing that in most of the films he does not stray from this is powerful. One of my personal favorite aspects of this film is that Captain America was fighting against something he didn’t understand fully, but fought because he knew what was right. I think this is something we see a lot in Steve Rogers, even all the way to Thanos. Obviously by the time of Thanos he is more aware of the weird world out there, but it still boils down to his righteousness.

Switching gears to Captain Marvel, I think I can easily say I see a lot of complaints about this film and character. My personal thoughts are that Captain Marvel isn’t a bad character necessarily, I just truly stand by the fact her timing in the MCU was way off. She entered right in between Infinity War and Endgame, the two biggest Avengers movies to date. Politely speaking, people weren’t looking for a new origin story, they were in waiting for Endgame to see what would become of all their faves that got dusted. Now during the rewatch, I will openly admit this was only my second time watching this movie. I watched it in theaters and that was it. I wasn’t sold by it. But I think that is for the very reason above: it simply was released at a bad time. When doing the rewatch, I was much more appreciative of the film itself.

However, and a big however, this film had a lot of problems. This is born out of the fact that, at the end of the day, it is second in timeline order but came out relatively late in the movie list. Some of it felt sloppy, like the fact that Fury lost his eye to a cat after they explicitly make a big deal how last time he trusted someone he lost an eye. Personally, this being how he lost his eye fell really flat for me. Fury has been on the ins and outs of Shield for many years, going through many lives, and the best they could do was a cat?

On the flip side of this, I liked seeing young Coulson and especially enjoyed seeing the Avengers Initiative being made from Fury’s interaction with Carol. But I can’t help but wonder how much more powerful that might have been had this movie come out earlier. Part of it felt as if there was too much backtracking, as at this point the MCU was just about coming out in timeline order. The crude back and forth we got at first was now turning into simple order. And then Captain Marvel came and messed that up again.

The only thing left for me to say is that the Tesseract and the entire storyline of it in Captain Marvel was also messy and feels out of place. We know the Tesseract was in the 70s thanks to Endgame, and we see theme experimenting with it in Avengers (2012). Yet it was in space in the 90s and no one at Shield felt put off at the fact that the Tesseract had been MIA? Understandably, they gave it to Mar-Vel to experiment with, but we have no clue how long she had it stashed up in the ship with the Skrulls. So you’re telling me Shield just lost the Tesseract for a few years and no one was worried about it? The inclusion of the Tesseract in Captain Marvel, personally, was unneeded, as a simple throw away line could have explained the Mar-Vel had experimented with it. Showing it, especially in space, just seemed a little rocky to what was already an established timeline for it.

All in all, as I said before, no one is perfect, even Marvel. And as Marvel fans, we love the movies no matter if they have flaws or not. There isn’t a misstep with Marvel, they are always on point with their films and definitely don’t take our criticism of certain scenes negatively. True fans are always able to establish that what they love will have things wrong with it. Now, I hope all of you have enjoyed our first episode of Marvel Replay and make sure to go listen to the podcast for an even more in-depth conversation. As always, keep up with the old and new with Marvel, cause Marvel just blew your mind, so let’s talk about it.

Image: “Captain America and Captain Marvel”, Brad Gullickson, FSR