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Taylor: Hello, listeners, welcome back to another episode of Sisters Assembled. It’s been a minute. We took some time off to regroup after our very busy weekend watching The Marvels and Loki. And now it’s time to deep dive into one of those topics that we mentioned in our reactions episode of The Marvels because as you guys know, listening to that episode, there is so much to talk about. So we decided to peel off a few topics to really give them their space and their time to deep dive and today we are covering probably the one that Kate and I are most excited to talk about, which is the two end credits. I’m saying end credit because the last scene of the film itself kind of felt more like an end credit than it did an actual final scene. So, of course, we’re going to talk about starting off Kamala, meeting with our good friend Kate Bishop, and mentioning a couple of names or a name really. That is pretty exciting and then we’re going to loop right into where our good friend Monica ended up at the end of the film. So without further ado, Katie, why don’t you start us off with that first scene?

Katie: I mean, yeah, I don’t even need to get into my feelings about this scene initially because you guys all heard them in our reactions episode. Those were raw feelings. I mean, the second I saw that bow, pure joy was coming out of me. I told you, I went into full Rocky mode. My hands were up in the air. I was like, oh my God, it’s my girl. I think, you know, now that we’re, what, a week and a half out, two weeks out, I don’t even know the timeline at this point, because things are confusing and Loki happened and a lot happened at once, and now it’s the holidays, so whatever. Now that we’re a little bit out, I feel like I’m finally able to calm down from the pure excitement of knowing what that all means and finally able to take that step back and be like, hold on. I know it always meant Young Avengers, but what does it really mean? Like, let’s dissect this a little bit more and who’s coming next? What’s the plan? What is this setting up fully? Those are all the questions going through my head.

Taylor: Yeah, I think anybody who’s been listening to this show basically since the New Year knows that this is something that we’ve been waiting for, we’ve been talking about, we’ve been preparing you all for as much as we could. So it doesn’t come as a surprise in that sense that we’re not shocked it’s here. I think I was a little surprised that it came from this movie that was not on my bingo card. You all heard what our you know end credit predictions were and neither one of us was really touching on the Young Avengers. Something that we’ve also talked about is I was surprised that it was Kamala because if you look at the typical roster in the comics, she is not on it. We did mention her. I think Katie did, just age-wise, she made sense but again, going back to the original comics roster, she’s not a part of it. So that was definitely surprising but at the same time, it wasn’t surprising just in general to see them. I definitely think now that they’re officially on the board and they’re coming together kind of in a way that we saw with, you know, Tony, at the end of The Incredible Hulk, that kind of first seed being planted, now it’s time to really talk about in earnest where do we see them? Where are they coming in? How are we going to get some of the other Young Avengers that we’ve seen across the board really involved? How is Kamala going to go down the list after she meets with Cassie next? There are a lot of questions and hopefully today we’ll get to really dive in and answer those to the best of our ability based on just what we know now.

Katie: I just want to follow up on something you pointed out there, which was why Kamala. I know we kind of talked about this briefly in our reactions, but again, this whole episode, the point of it is to be able to kind of have the full conversation. I have to say, I mean, even when I threw out Kamala, you know, months ago, I mean, this was probably March, February, roughly, because that’s when Quantumania came out. It was kind of one of those off-the-hip kind of things. It was just like, well, she’s in the age group, but I don’t think I really anticipated her, honestly, even really being involved, because I said, she’s in The Marvels. She’s kind of got her team upcoming already. I’m not really sure I was well, one, I definitely wasn’t anticipating it in this film at all, as you said, as well. But I kind of think I thought maybe the trio would kind of have more than just this movie so I think especially with their powers, but the things that they do, I just think maybe I thought there was going to be more there. But it’s interesting that not only is she not normally on the roster as she’s kind of I don’t want to say off in left field coming in here, but she’s definitely not a typical Young Avenger. She’s the one forming them, which I think is very interesting that this one that’s not normally in those conversations is the one that’s going to be sitting here bringing them all together.

Taylor: Yeah, I agree, and feel free to correct me if I’m wrong because it has been a minute since I’ve looked into the origin of the Young Avengers but isn’t it in the comics, it’s Iron Lad, isn’t it? Who kind of forms them?

Katie: I think so and I believe Kate and Cassie are the leaders.

Taylor: Which now, you know, looking at who Kamala’s pulling together first you got Kate and Cassie. But the reason I bring up the Iron Lad bit is we don’t have an Iron Lad. That is the biggest piece that we’re obviously, there are a few other characters but in terms of kind of notoriety and of course, where we are right now in the MCU, you know, give or take some of the Kang stuff with a grain of salt, with some of the articles that are coming out right now. As of right now, Marvel has not said that Kang is done, which means we have to move forward thinking that Kang and his variants are the future up until, what is it, 26 or 27? So with that in mind, knowing that we don’t have an Iron Lad who, again, if I remember correctly, is the person who originates the Young Avengers and brings them together. Kamala stepping into that role because we don’t have that character yet, and I’m sure we’ll get into him in a little bit as we kind of go through the roster where everybody is, where they might come in, and where we see this team going. I just want to point out that you’re right. It is interesting that not only is she kind of a left-field member, but she’s taking on the role of the one who brings them together, partially, in my opinion, because the one who does it in the comics isn’t around right now. 

Katie: And honestly, the question is going to be, is he ever going to be? Not that I’m going to say I don’t want to see Iron Lad because I definitely do and I think one of the biggest storylines, especially involving him and the Young Avengers, is trying to have him avoid his fate essentially of becoming a version of Kang the Conqueror. I would love to see him, but I do almost wonder if with Kamala stepping into the role of kind of forming everybody, and obviously, like I said, Kamala doesn’t normally belong on this roster, which we’ll get to when we go through, as you just said those groups. I think there’s going to be two ways of looking at how we can form the Young Avengers here, and we’ll get to that in a minute. But I do think, you know, with her stepping into that, maybe we never really see an Iron Lad come into the picture. Right now, the Multiverse is a little weird. We don’t really know where that’s going to stand moving forward as far as how it affects things. And the variant of Kang that’s on the Sacred Timeline is Victor Timely, not a Nathaniel Richards variant. Obviously, that also checks because at least granted, we haven’t gone to the future part of the Sacred Timeline yet, but as of right now we don’t have a Reed Richards. So how can you have the descendants of Reed Richards when you don’t have him yet? Just like a chicken-egg situation a little bit, doesn’t really make sense. So I do have to say, I don’t know if I’m counting on an Iron Lad coming into the Young Avengers at this point.

Taylor: I see your argument there and I am the last person to ever bring up Kang Dynasty because as you know, I pretty much like to pretend that that movie isn’t going to happen and skip right to Secret Wars because, in my head, that’s the more interesting one anyway. I do think it’s not a mistake if we keep that film on the slate, which as I alluded to before, has kind of been called into question lately, given everything that’s happening off-screen and we’ve talked about that at length, but I almost wonder if the reason it’s called Kang Dynasty is because that’s where we get Iron Lad.

Katie: That’s totally possible. I just think if we don’t I mean again, you’re saying who knows if that movie’s even going to happen for one and two, I mean that then also brings into question the bigger picture of where the Young Avengers fit exactly? Are we going to have a full team up by then? Who knows? I mean, we know we’ve got Kate Bishop, we’ve got two. It’s not usually a lot for a team yet, and I know we know Cassie’s coming. I’m sure we’re not going to see her recruited. I doubt we’re going to kind of see it how The Avengers were all brought together. We kind of saw how they all were brought into the conversation. I doubt we’re seeing all of that, but I mean, I’m just kind of thinking going through slates, going through all of that, it would be weird to just have a bunch of Young Avengers appear.

Taylor: Yeah, I almost thinking too about the slate because I’m wondering, like, what properties are coming up that are involving Young Avengers, right? We have Agatha obviously with the boys. We have Cap Four with Patriot.

Katie: Or at least assumed that that would be something he’d be in.

Taylor: Yes, well, I’m just he’s the closest one, so it makes sense there. I’m trying to think who else am I missing? I know young Loki, or Kid Loki but we don’t even know what’s going on there.

Katie: Well, let’s do it this way. What I was kind of alluding to earlier is there are two ways to go about the roster for the Young Avengers in the MCU. We are not going to sit here and do a whole deep dive into every character because we did that in February and or March when we talked about the comics version of The Young Avengers, the big players. But it is good to note that there’s a comic version and that we have seen quite a few of those characters, but there are a lot of young heroes in the MCU that don’t make the Young Avengers roster in the comics, but could very easily make them now in the MCU with how it’s been built and so there’s two different ways to look at this. I have to say, already having Kamala go in there, I’m kind of leaning towards I think the MCU is going to take some of their own direction with who is on the Young Avengers team-up.

Taylor: Which I mean, if you think about it, is not unprecedented. I mean, think about the OG six. If you look in the comics, that is not the A-list of the Avengers at all. They are now considered our A-list because we grew up with them and they’re who we have seen for 15 years, you know, but that is not necessarily the most common iteration of the Avengers by any means. So if you look, then apply that logic to the Young Avengers, like you were saying, like you could see an America Chavez come in, you could see other heroes of that age. Obviously, it’s not going to be Peter Parker because he’s now doing his own thing for sure, potentially bringing the Sonyverse and the MCU together and his next movie. So he’s shouldering a lot of burdens on his own right now. But there are other characters. I think America and and Kamala are the two that stick out the most for me they are not traditionally on the roster, but would make a lot of sense because of where they are right now and the place that they’ve played in the MCU thus far. To bring them in and just group them with the the more traditional Young Avengers, the Kates of the world, the Cassies, the boys, Kid Loki you know all of those, and then kind of create a mish-mash version of what we’re kind of used to in the comics.

Katie: So two thoughts is going through my head. The first, one I also want to put on the board is actually Shuri, not because she’s not able to be an Avenger on her own, just like Peter Parker but I do think age-wise she’s very close in age with a lot of them. I mean we obviously saw her growing up a lot in her movie, was forced to, but you know, she wears that Black Panther mantle and isn’t the queen. She doesn’t want to be. We obviously see that M’Baku was given the title of King. She separated those two for the first time. She’s in that age range, I’m not 100% sure where they’d want to go with her direction or her character directionally. So that could be an interesting person to bring in. I also want to mention Ironheart, she’s also in that age range. 

Taylor: Good call. 

Katie: I mean, that’s another one that I mean I think she was supposed to have a show. I don’t think that ever came about.

Taylor: No, I think it’s so coming. Not next year, but actually, I think it might be the fall of next year, early 25. It just keeps getting pushed.

Katie: Yeah which doesn’t ever make me feel confident and things.

Taylor: I mean, everything’s getting pushed.

Katie: I know but still, I feel like some of the shows are a little wonky and they get changed or whatever a lot so I just am not putting my chickens and my eggs all in that basket. But I will say she’s in that age range as well in the MCU. I could see her being brought in and she knows Shuri, there’s already an easy connection, and that doesn’t seem hard to me. The other thing I want to say is you kind of mentioning Kid Loki, mentioning the boys, the twins. I feel like that takes us then to the usual group. The usual group consists of like Kate, obviously, we said Iron Lad, which is Nate Richards, Cassie, Tommy, and Billy, Kid Loki, we have Hulkling. There’s quite a few in the original group, but if you really look at the comic group, I’m sure Agatha, I don’t even know what it goes by anymore.

Taylor: It’s like on its third title.

Katie: Yeah, you could say the Agatha show will be what helps us bring in the twins aged up in the right category because obviously, last time we saw them, they were like 10 or 12. So that wasn’t going to work. I’m not sure we’re going to see Kid Loki at all. 

Taylor: That’s such a waste to me. I understand what you’re saying because that’s why I was going through earlier, where can we bring them in? You know, Patriot it makes sense, the twins it makes sense. They are franchises that are naturally lending themselves to bringing them in, furthering their storyline or it could just be a nice end credit like we saw here. But they’re in, you know, Cap 4, they’re in the Agatha show. We’re seeing them grow, their characters develop, and we’re now attached to them. Then our girl Kamala swoops in and says, hey, you want to join a team? That to me, is logical progression. That’s what I was kind of getting out earlier is the idea of like, well, what is that for Kid Loki? And I see what you’re saying, there isn’t one. And it’s annoying to me because then why tease the character? Why bring him in at all if you’re not going to then pay that off, especially now that you’ve pretty much confirmed that you’re doing the Young Avengers. That’s frustrating because he has some really interesting storylines with them and I would really like to see that character. We don’t know the fate of grown Loki going forward, so let there be a Loki who’s out and about and doing their thing, please.

Katie: Yeah, I know and I hate saying it, but I truly, I mean, first off, we haven’t seen him since Loki Season One. He didn’t even make a reappearance in Season Two and granted, did I expect him to? No and with what we know, now that we’ve seen all of Season Two, it never would have made sense. I do have to say because we haven’t seen him and we haven’t seen him in over two years, it’s been two and a half years, I lose confidence and I know the Multiverse is open. I get it. I understand that fact. I do not rely on that fact. I’m not going to sit there and say 100% now that it’s open, it makes sense for Kid Loki to make his appearance somewhere. Not at all, because as far as I’m concerned, I don’t know how the Multiverse is being affected right now because we just watched that Loki ending and we have no idea where the timing of that is so I have no idea what’s actually happening and I’m not going to put my, I’m not going to, it’s a lot of chickens this time, guys. I’m not going to count my chickens before they hatch. It’s just not going to happen. I see Patriot, I see him very clearly. I could see where he comes in. That is so clear to me it’s not even funny, even if he’s not in Cap 4 to me doesn’t even matter. He’s on the map in this universe, I see him being brought in. Actually, the other one I want to mention that’s not usually on this board because I mentioned Hulkling, who we also do not have yet, and I don’t quite see where that character might come in because they could do a couple little storyline things here or there and probably bring him in, but we have Hulk’s son whose name is currently escaping me. It starts with an ‘S’.

Taylor: Skaar?

Katie: I think it’s Skarr, S K A A R, but I couldn’t remember that just kept coming to my brain. But we do have him on the board and I know Hulkling is kind of a weird mish-mash of Kree and Skrull, and that, for its own reasons, could have been an interesting character but now we randomly have Hulk’s son, who’s also on Earth, last we checked.

Taylor: Yeah, you’re right. That’s an interesting one and as soon as you brought up Hulkling, that made me think of that as well. That one’s weird, though, because, like, yes, he could be a Young Avenger, but he could also be in whatever franchise his dad is slowly blossoming with the Hulk family. I don’t know if you guys remember this. This was, my gosh, must have been a year or two ago when we were covering She-Hulk. So over a year ago, we started talking about the rights of the Hulk to have a solo film and how those were expiring and going back to Marvel. You know, I think that’s why we’re starting to see the prominence of more Hulk-related characters. Obviously, having She-Hulk, having Bruce come into that show, now Skaar, we have Red Hulk in Cap 4 like the Hulk family and the whole kind of Hulk, many different characters who will play important roles in the Hulk’s own specific storylines are starting to kind of pop out in different things, and I don’t think that’s an accident. I think we’re actually seeing a franchise being born slowly for that character so I would not be opposed to seeing Skaar in the Young Avengers, but I think my prediction is he’ll be in whatever is circling around his dad right now is kind of my gut feeling about where he’s going to go.

Katie: My thing is I don’t see the Young Avengers being shoehorned the way I think the Avengers were a little bit, because and maybe this is just how world-building was being done at this time, but I mean, you wouldn’t obviously we saw a lot of our heroes on side quests. I mean, Iron Man, Thor, and Cap all had their own trilogies, but you know, the Avengers were the Avengers. They weren’t all little side quests with one another. The only time that started to happen was when they started to fall apart. That’s when Thor and Hulk were off-world and they were obviously all fighting or whatever, but it was like their job and we saw that in Age of Ultron, that is what they did. They were the Avengers. You see it in Civil War, that’s why the Sokovia Accords are so prominent. It is what they were actively doing as their job. I’m not sure I could see the Young Avengers being quite as shoehorned into ‘I’m a Young Avenger, this is my job, I save the day every day or like we have missions every week or whatever.’ I don’t know if I see them being like that because they’re younger. I mean, Kate was in school last we saw when we saw her in Hawkeye. I just don’t really, I mean, Kamala’s in school. Kamala’s in high school. So I don’t really see them being quite so stuck in that. I’d love to get multiple movies or shows or whatever or seasons of a show but regardless, I see one main threat, they all get together. I think they stay in contact, they do things, but I mean, they go back to their day-to-day. So that’s not to say you can’t bring in characters like Skaar. He just kind of hangs out with this group, goes saves the day doing whatever they got to do and then he’s like, hey dad, I’m back with you, Hulk family reunion. 

Taylor: Yeah, no I agree with that kind of analysis about how involved they’re going to be or how I don’t want to say committed, because that makes it sound like they’re not like, you know, really in it but to your point, it’s not their full-time job. They’re trying to like, grow up, go to school, do all that stuff simultaneously. The one thing I will say back to that, though, for Skaar, that’s going to be a little challenging and this is just my own conjecture is I think we’re and we’ve talked about this heading potentially towards a World War Hulk. It’s a little harder for him to maybe travel space-wise than it is for Kamala and Kate to link up between Jersey City and New York.

Katie: I mean yeah but I will say Hulk got there pretty quick during She-Hulk. And we’re clearly seeing that’s a little easier to do.

Taylor: Yeah, I do just want to point out that now some of our jump points are a little wonky. Thank you, Dar-Benn. Space travel might be a little bit more difficult than we’ve seen in the past for a little bit until whoever is the powers that be, that handle that, I guess SWORD, no SABER, sorry, SABER, go fix that but they’re kind of grounded right now. So space is a little less travelable than it was before. That’s not a word, but it is now.

Katie: Yeah, but I don’t expect to see any World War Hulk action until post-everything that’s going to happen with Secret Wars. So at this point, I mean, if we’re getting any Young Avengers content before that, like real content, team up full team up, I don’t see why he can’t make the roster. I mean, our Avengers team, granted we always had the OG six, but our Avengers team gained dudes all the time. Who’s to say that we can’t? Maybe Skaar goes and leaves, but maybe we eventually get a Hulkling because the story can finally align and we can bring that character in. I mean, that’s the glory of this type of stuff, you can grow and change as needed. They don’t need to have a permanent team-up, I mean, did the comics ever have a permanent team-up? Absolutely not.

Taylor: No, you’re totally right and I mean, I think that’s what makes it super exciting is the idea that other young heroes can come in down the line like a Hulkling. I’m trying to think of who else.

Katie: Maybe a young T’Challa.

Taylor: Well, I think those kids are all going to get aged up in Secret Wars and that’s why Love and Phylla Vell but then everybody’s getting aged up, and now our Young Avengers are our Avengers.

Katie: I mean, not necessarily because I mean that we might see a different version of a T’Challa come out of Secret Wars. There’s a lot that can happen here with Secret Wars on the board that doesn’t necessarily age up everybody.

Taylor: That’s fair. That’s fair. I do want to say to the other people you can think about, that they would need to be aged up a little bit, not a ton, but a little bit would be Reed Richards kids. Reed and Sue’s kids, which we know lived on 838. You know, he had kids. Wanda’s iconic line, do you have kids or he says, I have kids and she says, is their mother still alive? Good, they’ll have someone to raise them. So we know that Franklin and-.

Katie: She’s so real for that.

Taylor: I’m blanking on their daughter’s name, but we know that they lived on 838. It’s entirely possible that when we get them in on 616, they may have kids. The version that we saw in the early 2000 with Chris Evans, they didn’t have kids yet, but we don’t know at what point in Sue and Reed’s lives we’re going to meet them. It’s entirely possible their kids are 10 or 12. I mean, in actual Secret Wars itself, their kids are in their early, late adolescence, early teens. So that’s right around, maybe a few years younger than the rest of the Young Avengers. That’s something else to think about. Those would be really interesting characters to bring in not traditionally in the roster but if you’re expanding it to all young heroes, what about a Miles Morales? I will never, ever not say bring in Miles Morales to everything like he’s going to be in Secret Wars, in my opinion. Why can’t he come join the Young Avengers? You never know. I think there are so many options here and because the MCU does play fast and loose with the comics, sometimes it’s really up in the air. You’ve got the traditional ones and that’s great and you can predict that a little bit but realistically, if you’re between the ages of like 12 and 25, 24, you’re primed and ready to go to potentially be on this roster. 

Katie: Yeah and I mean, I think at the end, all this questioning and all the thoughts of the roster just open up that last question of when is it their time? And I know we’ve thrown out a lot of theories throughout all of this of when it could be. I mean, listen, we’ve already gotten that Kate Bishop’s 23. Hailee Steinfeld is like 25 or 26. I mean, the girl who took over for Cassie is like 30. She doesn’t look it now. 

Taylor: I’m pretty sure she’s in her mid-twenties.

Katie: I thought she was like mid-late twenties.

Taylor: No I think she’s like my age.

Katie: Okay, well, she’s a lot older than there’s like 16-year-old girl she plays, I’ll just say that. 

Taylor: Correct.

Katie: So I’m thinking, you know, you’re getting some of these actors and actresses that are also aging and when you have a Chris Evans, who’s going to look roughly the same throughout a ten-year stint because of just the age versus you have these younger actresses and actors who are clearly going to continue growing into mature adults, you’ve got to pay attention to how long you have them and when you can use them, especially if they continue to be playing young characters. So are we getting them before Secret Wars? I think that’s one of the big questions I have.

Taylor: I go back and forth on this. I know I’ve said on our show one thing, I’ve said on other shows, different things when we’ve had the opportunity to guest and I can never decide how I feel about it just because things are so up in the air. I think right now I’m landing at they come together in a Kang Dynasty because I think that makes the most sense. Then I think they’re in Secret Wars, but they are not, there are so many stories that are in Secret Wars. There’s like the prime story, the main storyline, and then there’s like so many offshoots. I don’t think they’re the main storyline in Secret Wars. Do I think that they may be in it for a scene or two? Sure. But I don’t think that they are main characters by any means. I think they’re going to form fully in Kang Dynasty, and I think we’re going to see them starting to form in end-credit scenes in the next two or three years. And then I think we either get some sort of serialized show with them post-Secret Wars or a movie. That’s kind of my thing. If I had to put a bet behind either a movie or a show, I’m going to say show but catch me again in three months and I might feel differently. I don’t know but that’s kind of where my gut says I am right now.

Katie: That’s fair. I think for me and I’ve said this before, ideally, here’s my thought process. We had one Avengers, the entirety of Phases One through Three. Now we’re in Four through Six, we’re in Five and we don’t have a team up. We haven’t had a team-up movie beyond The Marvels, which disbanded within one movie, and we know we’re getting the Thunderbolts. We don’t know but assume we’re getting some sort of an Avengers team-up with characters like Shang-Chi involved and a lot of these characters that have had intro movies that we haven’t seen them again in yet. And then I’m thinking, is there room for the Young Avengers there? And I’m like, no, not really. I don’t see it. You’ve got the Thunderbolts being your anti-heroes, and then you’ve got, you know, you’re real like everyday Avengers. I ideally would like to see them either finish coming together in Secret Wars if it does require some, like if they want to bring in, you know, Kid Loki and they figure out that’s just how they can do it, cool. If there are some other characters they want to figure out, I mean, maybe in another universe there is a Hulkling, that’s awesome. Then bring them in, finish forming them there and I actually would really like to see them lead the next phases, the next saga. I think it would be really cool. It’s different because I think this phase or this saga was different because we’re getting an anti-hero team up and we’re getting a regular Avengers. Now, I’d like to see it change again. Listen, I love a good change to the Avengers roster, don’t get me wrong, but you know, three sagas with Avengers, all Avengers is going to be a little bit okay like here we go again. I’d like to see these Young Avengers come together and be that saga’s Avengers. By then, I think you can look past some of like I’m doing air quotes ‘immaturity’ almost. I think Secret Wars will be a great way to, you know, get a lot of knowledge and experience, be out there, and deal with a lot. And I think they would be a really interesting group to follow into a different saga moving forward.

Taylor: That’s an interesting thought. I personally can’t quite get behind it just because of the rumors about it being a kind of a Galactus-focused saga after this thinking that kind of means space. Not all of our guys and gals and friends are really space-focused. I mean, not to put her down in any sense, but I can’t see a Kate Bishop up in space. 

Katie: Can I ask you, could you have ever seen Captain America up in space?

Taylor: No but now that’s been played out. The idea of the Avenger, who’s a ground-level Avenger being in space.

Katie: Right but I mean, I’m just saying, at this point, I think the lines between space and, you know, just Earth-bound Avengers have been getting blurred more and more. Look at what we just saw in The Marvels. I mean, the only exception there was Kamala but at the end of the day, that girl wasn’t sitting around in space up until she got pulled into space.

Taylor: Well, no, but her bangle is from space so, you know.

Katie: I understand that. I just mean, I think there’s a lot of gray area starting to form. It’s no longer here’s your earthbound heroes, here’s your space. It’s starting to become a lot more okay, I mean, we have Nick Fury up in space. Nick Fury is living in space. If you would have told me in 2000 and what, like 10 or 12 or whatever that Nick Fury was going to be living up in space with his Skrull wife, I would have been like.

Taylor: What’s a Skrull?

Katie: Yeah, well, that yeah, that would have been an initial question. But I would been like, I’m not really sure what you’re saying to me right now, but you’re wrong. It’s just not, it’s not right, it’s Nick Fury but now here we are. So I think with that getting a little bit more blended and if they take part in Secret Wars, what is more crazy than being in pretty much a Multiversal war?

Taylor: Yeah, that’s fair. I don’t know. I just, to me, you say the word Galactus and it doesn’t scream Young Avengers.

Katie: But how young will they really be by then? That’s the other question. 

Taylor: Well, who knows? 

Katie: At that point, they’re going to be starting to age into a group that I mean, again, I go back to they confirmed Kate Bishop’s age is 23.

Taylor: Yeah, that was an interesting choice.

Katie: That definitely was. I mean, I got it. It was funny, it was hilarious how they did it and they did it for a comical reason but I was also very shocked that they did that. Regardless, I mean, at the end of the day, she is probably going to be one of the older ones. And that’s I mean, again, Wanda’s age is so funky because they screwed up and kind of had to retcon it or whatever. But if you really think about it, they were introducing her and Pietro as very young in Age of Ultron, probably not much older than a Kate Bishop.

Taylor: Not to completely derail us, but does Kate ever say how old she is when Hawkeye saves her in the Avengers? Because then we can use that to figure out what year The Marvels takes place.

Katie: No, but she looks around like or if she does, I don’t remember, but she looks around like 10 to 12. That would check out to it being like 2023, 2024.

Taylor: Well, no, it would be 13 years from 2012. If she’s ten.

Katie: I was going off of if she’s like 12.

Taylor: So then it’ll be 2023 to 2025. That doesn’t narrow the thing down at all, that’s so annoying.

Katie: No, because we already knew it was between those two.

Taylor: I just, I wasn’t, you know, this is the first time we’ve gotten a real marker of time in a really long time. We’ve talked about the fact that, like, they don’t give us years anymore. They just say present-day because they’re too afraid to Spider-Man: Homecoming it all over again and they also don’t actually want to commit to a timeline. So I just got really excited about the fact that we may have numbers that we could use.

Katie: Yeah, I’m just saying, I mean, think in another four years. I mean, obviously, they’re not going to be like, four years later, she’s 27. No, but think we have another four years before we hit at least Secret Wars. I mean, she could at least be 24 roughly 25. I mean, then we might have a time jump.

Taylor: Well, but if she’s in stasis she could be 23 for the next five years.

Katie: Well, exactly. It could just be a funky we could do a lot of funky things here that to me could make it very easy for this again quote Young Avengers team to not inherently be young Avengers more than I mean our Avengers team were like in their thirties and forties roughly. Maybe that being young is just the fact that they’re in their late twenties.

Taylor: Yeah, and some of the younger kids are in their late teens. Who knows? There’s a lot I’m really excited about. There’s a lot that’s going to come with them, I think. I hope that they’re kind of our breadcrumbs in the end credits for the next few properties that we see. I mean, obviously not Echo, that doesn’t really make any sense. But in the Agatha’s of the world, in the it’s still New World Order, right for Cap? In the New World Orders of the world or did that change?

Katie: It changed from Brave New World, right?

Taylor: Yes, Brave New World was the first I think New World Order is the second one. Either way is Cap 4 whatever it’s called. It may change three more times because it’s been pushed back again. I could see those being really a nice thread between some of these properties as we’re starting to build the Young Avengers. On that note, I think it’s time to dive into the actual only official credit scene in the film, which is finding out where exactly Monica ended up after they blew a hole in space-time and she had to repair it and got stuck on the other side. As we kind of alluded to in past episodes or maybe not, maybe this was just me and Kate talking. I don’t remember. We’re going to focus specifically on her new friends and not so much on the actual space-time travel part of it, which will come in a later episode but let’s just talk about it. The X-Men are here again because this isn’t the first time, but they’re here again and they’re alive this time and nobody’s murdered them and that’s exciting. But I don’t know what it means exactly, because this is, you know, according to Kevin Feige, ten years ahead of schedule. So hello. What’s going on?

Katie: It also makes me nervous because, okay, so the excitement has worn off, and now there’s just anxiety about this because this is going to be a different team. And I think we touched on this briefly in the reactions, but I want to get into the meat of this. Like the idea that we truly are seeing a brand new X-Men team be born and now granted, I know the first, I think there are six of them in total movies of the X-Men franchise. I understand that, like there’s a whole time thing and so it’s not really like there’s two whole versions of the X-Men, there’s just younger versions of them. I understand that so I’m not going to sit here and say it’s another recast because that’s not entirely what that was, although it kind of was in the sense that they wanted to make more movies and that’s what they did. If we’re being honest, that is what that was and it worked out great enough. I mean, the third one kind of wasn’t great, but it was enough for them to do that. Great. I’m nervous because now we are seeing our first, in my opinion, new version of the X-Men. We saw Professor X in MoM, but it was like the OG, literally the OG. So he obviously died, he didn’t make it to that movie.

Taylor: Yeah Wanda killed him in his mind and out of his body at the same time.

Katie: Yeah.

Taylor: Wanda killed a lot of important people in, like, a span of 10 minutes?

Katie: Her dad would be proud.

Taylor: Yeah, truly. Well, is that true, though? Because, remember, there’s that whole thing about is he her father?

Katie; Well, the comics. I’m saying comic-wise, yes, because of Magneto.

Taylor: But no, but they retconned that. He may be her father. 

Katie: In the comics?

Taylor: I think so. Yeah, I’m pretty sure that may have been retconned. He may not be her biological father. I have to look it up.

Katie: That made so much sense to me. I was like him, Wanda I see the direct correlation to where this went.

Taylor: Yeah. No, something happened where she did something to like her, family members or something and he didn’t react or Pietro didn’t react, or something where like, she may not be related to the people she thinks they think we are. We’ll find some articles there because that’s really confusing and we’ll put them in the show notes and I always say I’m going to do that and I forget. But this time I’m actually going to do it for you all because I think that it may not be fully retconned, but it’s definitely called into question her parentage, which is annoying.

Katie: Okay, I’m going to put that aside and pretend we didn’t say that and just keep continuing to live in my bubble of Wanda being an amazing daughter to her dad. Anyway, regardless my point is, that this is the first time we’re seeing a brand new X-Men. We are seeing a team-up. I’m nervous because I loved the OGs. Obviously, those were like in the nineties.

Taylor: Was it the nineties? I think was the early 2000s. Let’s not make them that old.

Katie: Okay, whatever. I was going late nineties. Regardless, late nineties, or early 2000s. I don’t know. I wasn’t alive for half that. I was alive in the 2000s guys but like I wasn’t alive in the nineties, that’s the half I met. Regardless I mean obviously they kind of recasted later on with like the Evan Peters group which again was a hit or miss depending on who you talk to. But now the MCU is doing it and this is the X-Men we’re probably going to live with for the next ten years and I’m nervous.

Taylor: Yeah I am concerned also like is it the X-Men we’re going to live with? I don’t want to bring the Multiversal thing into it, but I do just want to touch on it a little bit without going too deep like we did see Professor X in 838. It is implied that they too have an X-Men team. Now is it that this team is the one that’s going to make the crossover over into 616? Are we going to see one form on 616 like nothing is a given. I also think it’s interesting that we have now seen Maria Rambo twice as Captain Marvel so like there are well, I’m assuming Captain Marvel and the X-Men that’s kind of weird too. I don’t know how that is working out.

Katie: Is she a mutant then? That doesn’t make sense to me. Or is she like a Captain Marve but she’s not inherently made the same way that Carol is made, or that she might have also been made in 838?

Taylor: Yeah, I mean, my assumption was 838 Maria was just the one who got in the plane, you know, instead of Carol.

Katie: Yeah, same but maybe she is a mutant and she just happens to go by Captain Marvel. That’s not the weirdest thing I think they could do.

Taylor: Oh for sure. That’s what I’m saying. We have no idea what that even looks like. And so it makes me wonder, is this the X-Men we’re going to live with, or are they just teasing us again? They teased us with Professor X and then they killed him within his first 10 minutes of screen time. So, I mean, who knows? I just don’t even know that I’m ready to commit to this being our X-Men, because you still have Hugh Jackman out there as Wolverine hanging out with Deadpool. There are so many versions now of these characters, I have yet to see something that tells me I should commit to one of them and be like, haha, you’re here. You are the ones that we’re going to live with because we have now seen three different versions. I mean, Deadpool, in my opinion does not live on 838. This version of the X-Men, is clearly not 838 because Maria Rambo is alive and Professor X is alive. So that’s three different X-Men teams in the MCU in the last two years alone or by the time Deadpool comes out in the last two and change years alone, who knows which one, I mean, obviously 838 isn’t. Who knows which one’s the official X-Men or, you know, toss out the fact that maybe we haven’t even seen them yet because there’s literally an infinite number. They could literally just be trolling us again, which I can’t deal with but like also I have to put it out there. 

Katie: I’m all for you putting it out there but I will say I think this is the real one that we’re going to get and here is why. I feel like if they wanted to troll us and they were going to bring in a group of X-Men that they weren’t planning to have be the permanent group of X-Men, they would have brought in either the OGs in some way, and obviously I’m taking Hugh Jackman out of this conversation because that’s just going to be weird. However, that’s done regardless is going to be weird. As excited as I am for him to return, it’s just and doesn’t it take place like before Logan? So like there’s a whole other thing about that with where that lies on a timeline. So at least for now though, I’m going to table that, that’s not an important section of this exact podcast that will be a Deadpool conversation when that happens. But I would think they would have tried the OGs or the group that they just had. I mean, the Dark Phoenix just came out like, what, four years ago?

Taylor: Let’s not forget the great debacle of 2021 Fietro.

Katie: Well, right. 

Taylor: A whole nother knot, a whole nother knot in this little MCU yarn here.

Katie: No, I agree with that but I’m just saying, as far as I’m not even I don’t even want to touch that either. That’s a whole other thing that just makes me angry, but also don’t do my guy Aaron Taylor-Johnson like that, that is all I have to say.

Taylor: Well, let’s not even, you know, there’s this thing called Kraven the Hunter who happens to have Pietro’s face like it’s fine, it’s fine.

Katie: You know, it’s whatever. I can’t control Sony. If I could, I’d put him in a box but yet here we are and they’re making movies like Madame Web, and I’m just supposed to be like, this makes sense, but whatever. It’s fine. Either way, I could have seen them doing like the Evan Peters group, those movies didn’t wrap up that long ago. I could see that being brought in and okay, cool, they’re going to be a one-off and then we get our own team. I just feel like, especially with Maria being brought back the way that they are, I have a feeling that we’re getting hints towards the team we’re going to see. I think there’s a reason we didn’t see any other Avengers yet because I think at the end of the day they’re casting them or I’m sorry, not Avengers, X-Men.

Taylor: I was like, wait a minute.

Katie: I’m so used to saying Avengers I’m not ready to muddle that with now the X-Men, but I do think they don’t have them cast yet, which is why we saw Maria come back and reprise her role again, which is why we have Beast who granted I know somebody actually voices him in like has to do his movement, but it’s CGI. Like I don’t think they have them cast.

Taylor: Yeah, it’s like not recognizable as a human being.

Katie: Right, they don’t have them cast yet, quite frankly, is what I think. And so I do think this is going to be the world and the X-Men that come to us. Also, Maria is still there, stuck there. 

Taylor: Monica.

Katie: Oh my God, yeah, sorry but y’all know what I meant. Monica is still hanging out there and we’ll be there for the foreseeable future.

Taylor: Yeah, I mean, realistically, whatever earth she’s on or whatever universe she’s on, more accurately in, whatever, she’s going to have to come back from there because they’re not going to take her out. That was the whole point of not actually murdering her was that she would be a part of future stories. With that being said, I think we’re going to get something with her in that world and I do think that does give merit to the idea that these are going to be our X-Men. But I also raise you that we spent some time on 838 with that Professor X and you know, maybe Monica doesn’t spend as much time on whatever earth that is as we think, and it’s kind of the same deal. Do I think they’re all going to get murdered? No, I don’t. I just want to point out that we have no guarantees anymore when it comes to this is it. This is the moment because we’ve been teased so many times. I also struggle with it not being like I know why it wasn’t Kamala, but it almost would have made more sense for it to be Kamala, in a sense, to be with the X-Men. She is the mutant of the group, to have it not be the mutant who gets to be with the mutants. Obviously, then they tied Monica and Maria and like, there was that whole thing, which I’m sure we’ll see play out. With her being one of the first confirmed mutants in the MCU, yes, she was in the film, but why wouldn’t she be with the X-Men? That’s who she’s currently hanging out within the comics. Like, I don’t know. I’m just I’m not quite ready to be all in on these, well, I guess we just saw Beast, but I’m not quite ready to be all in on this version yet because I just I’ve been hurt too many times.

Katie: I mean, I’m not going to say I’m all in. I’m not going to say that I’m not comfortable again, putting my eggs all in a basket. I don’t know what it is about the chickens today. I didn’t have chicken for dinner. I had beef.

Taylor: It’s our b-plot for the evening is chickens.

Katie: It is the b-plot for the evening. Who’s the one from Moana like Hey Hey or something like he is my spirit animal. Just whenever I reference chickens again, guys, I’m just thinking of Hey Hey. I’m not ready to commit, but I just think there’s too much missing still that to me signs the fact that Marvel’s like, well, we want to make sure you guys are all getting ready more than just whatever Deadpool’s going to do because again, Deadpool’s a weird outlier that we have yet to like, that movie is going to help us understand where he falls because up until now we don’t know where. And they’re like, okay, we want to make sure you guys are prepping so here’s this, but we don’t actually have anybody cast. We don’t have a Wolverine, we don’t have a Jean Grey. We don’t have anybody. We don’t have a Storm, none of those big names. We don’t have a single one of them ready so you’re not going to see them. That to me immediately I’m like, they’re just leaving us those breadcrumbs. And I think too, with Monica being there, I mean, again, you’re saying, maybe she won’t be there for long just like how on 838 they weren’t there for long. I don’t know, dude. Even Beast was like, I don’t know how you got here. This doesn’t make sense how you physically got here and I am with Secret Wars, I see her not returning until Secret Wars happens if I’m being honest. There’s nothing coming up that she would even be in.

Taylor: Right and that would be my guess as well. I guess my thought process is you’ve got all right, Secret Wars, okay. You have two universes colliding. It could very well be that is the second universe. If so you guys know who’s probably in that universe. Miles Morales. 

Katie: Okay, that’s who I thought you were trying to say, but I was like, I don’t know. She’s just kind of doing a thing.

Taylor: It just it occurred to me that, like, if that is our final incursion, that is Miles Morales’ universe in live action, which yay, but if it’s not and it’s just one of the other ones in Battleworld like I could also see and I’m just playing devil’s advocate here, I could also see that being one of the ones that had previously had an incursion and is making up a portion of Battleworld, but isn’t necessarily the one that 616 is going to have the incursion with that really initiates Secret Wars and that full storyline that we see with Doom in all of that, you know, that’s possible. And that’s how Monica reunites everybody is she went through her own incursion. She happened to be on a section that survived, great. Now she’s in Battleworld, now she links up with Carol or whoever, maybe Nick Fury or whatever that might look like. And meanwhile, 616 just went through its own thing and Miles Morales was not on this planet or this universe, I don’t know. There are so many options because of the Multiverse that it’s hard at this stage with a two-minute end credit scene to be like, our X-Men have arrived. All I really want is for Marvel to show up at Comic-Con this year at Hall H, give us a real panel, give us some real cast announcements, whether that’s Fantastic Four because some of the leaks that have come out lately are very exciting or rumors. I want real casting, I want real timelines, I want D23 is next year. I want some stuff coming out of there. They have to start putting dates on calendars, they have to start putting names on call sheets and lines in the sand. They can’t do this wishy-washy B.S. that they’ve been doing for probably the last nine months and I know that there’s a lot of stuff out of their control, but they need to start figuring their poo out and telling us stuff so we know what to expect because I’m done not knowing. And I mean, look, not knowing is fun, but like not knowing this much is just infuriating and I’m done. I’m done.

Katie: I think too, we’re going to have to see, as I said, Deadpool is going to be a huge I don’t want to say answer because it could just be a bigger question mark once that movie comes out. 

Taylor: Probably. 

Katie: Yeah so I don’t want to commit to saying, but it’s going to be something, some sort of knowledge for us to put some of this together. Do I want to wait until Deadpool comes out to find out maybe any confirmation from this end credit? No, of course not but we might have to. Of course, we do have Agatha again, I’m not going to say the full name because I don’t know what it is at the current moment. We do have Agatha out, although I do see if there’s going to be any hints to something bigger, it’s probably Young Avengers related. We have Echo coming out and this shows to me I don’t read as being what the big end credits are going to be, but who knows? Because I didn’t think The Marvels was going to have two of the biggest, well, I know the first one wasn’t technically an end credit, but I’m going to call it so. I mean it has had some of the biggest end credits that have happened since, I mean, to have a movie that had had two really solid ones, probably since Phase 2 or 3. We have not had two end credits that have been that solid and big since Phase 4 started. 

Taylor: Oh for sure.

Katie: We might have had one or two. I mean Venom 2 let’s not forget the Peter Parker licking the TV screen Venom thing because I literally was screaming at the top of my lungs in that theater with everybody else who was watching that but they didn’t have two solid ones. The last time we had two solid ones was probably in the first saga, in the Infinity War saga.

Taylor: Yeah, I would agree and I mean, just to quickly circle back to Echo, you know, that is our first property of 2024, but it’s also under that Spotlight banner where they’ve said it’s not going to be about the wider MCU. It’s character-driven, it’s on the ground so we already basically have confirmation that it’s not going, whatever is going to move forward is not going to move forward with Echo. That’s fine. I’m still super pumped for the show, and excited to cover that at the beginning of the year. 

Katie: Yeah, the only thing that’s going to open up is Daredevil.

Taylor: Right and I’m super pumped for that. I also just think the show looks amazing.

Katie: Yeah, I’m just saying that the only thing that’s going to open up outside of it will be Daredevil.

Taylor: For sure but I think what’s cool about that Spotlight banner, too, just as an aside, is it is kind of an indicator to us like don’t get your hopes too far up. This is a self-contained, character-driven show. It’s not about the Multiverse. It’s not about everything that you’re worried about. It’s just small and really tight narratives and things like that. So I just want to put that out there with Echo as well, because I think that even just further indicates like, don’t think of something wacko and crazy is going to come out of that. And I think we really need more movies to pull their weight in terms of the end credits like The Marvel’s did because we’ve got a lot of ground to cover and a lot of properties that are directly dealing with some of the ground that we have to cover. So we got to do it in the end credits and mid-credits and I need Marvel to up their game there. Or at least keep everything at The Marvel’s level because we haven’t had one of those in a long, long time.

Katie: Yeah, I mean, to wrap this all up, in my opinion, just regarding the X-Men, because I agree with everything you just said, but just to wrap up, the X-Men thought. The biggest question about this and credit is going to be what we covered. Is this it? Is this the X-Men team coming? Are we where we need to be or are we getting bamboozled? And that is essentially what we have to figure out. Again, I just say wait till Deadpool guys, figure out what that’s going to do bringing in the OG Wolverine, the only Wolverine we’ve ever seen yet on screen, and also Deadpool and there’s like Colossal and that’s just always been weird. So I think until we really get where that’s going, I think it’s going to have to be a table discussion unless we get new news.

Taylor: Yeah, no, I totally agree and I think on that note, we’re going to have to call this an episode for the end credits question mark. I don’t know that you can necessarily call them both end credits of The Marvels. This has been a fun episode to try to puzzle out what they mean and definitely would not have fit in our reactions episode. We’ve got some other good kind of breakout episodes coming up for you to deep dive on a few topics, so definitely stay tuned for that. Make sure that you’re subscribing on your podcast platform of choice, checking out the calendar on the website especially, and just the website in general but I think the calendar is going to be super helpful for the next few weeks because we don’t have any specific shows or movies that are coming out for us to cover until What If? Last but not least, if you’d like to support the show, you can also do that on the website, on our home page via the affiliate links.

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