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Taylor: Hello and welcome to Sisters Assembled. We have a super fun and kind of out-of-the-box episode for you all today. You may have remembered that we were originally going to talk a little bit more about some things coming out of Madame Web, and then Madame Web happened and didn’t give us anything to talk about other than some really tragic CGI and some bad mouth-matching sound. So we’re going to pivot, and we’re going to talk about something that’s infinitely more interesting going on in the MCU, which is that Bob Iger recently came out, if you don’t know, Bob Iger is the CEO of Disney, the parent company of Marvel Studios, came out and said that when it comes to Marvel, we’re really going to focus on making sequels. So we are going to talk about our wishful sequels today. Katie and I each brought two to the table that are characters or properties that we really want to see get their next movie and continue the story. Without further ado, I’m going to kick it over to Katie to give us our first property.

Katie: Yeah, I just want to really quick say before we get into our picks, that this is very interesting news, I’m sure to many of you. At the end of the day, I think a lot of people have been complaining about Phase Four because of the new characters, which is kind of ironic because Phase One was also all new characters, but, you know, I think a lot of people are getting what they want. They wanted more of new or they wanted more of the new characters, I should say, but not more new characters, if that makes sense.

Taylor: Continued stories, continue stories.

Katie: Thank you. Yes, that’s the one. So I do think a lot of people are happy with this. I was a little shocked at the announcement, but I’m also excited. There are quite a few that I think deserve more. So I’ll go right into my first pick, I’m not sure this is going to be surprising to almost anybody because I adored this movie, but I didn’t expect to, and that’s Eternals. I would love a second Eternals. I know it’s I’m not sure it’s officially slated, but it’s definitely been one of those that you’re like, it’s going to happen and it’s been talked about enough, and I believe it’s Chloe Zhao, I want to say is the director. I want to say that’s how you pronounce everything there and that I’m saying the correct person. But she said she would love to do another one. She would greatly come back and continue the story. It was a contested film. Not a lot of people liked it. I don’t know why. It’s funny because I think a lot of people wanted Marvel to do things differently, and they did, and they didn’t like it. I don’t know, I loved it, I thought it was so good. And I think it’s set some really cool things up that I would like to see play out, finally.

Taylor: Yeah, I’m not going to lie, the only reason Eternals is not one of my two is because I wanted to pick one that was separate from Katelyn. So I definitely do feel like this is a great film or it was a great film, and it’s a great property that I think we need to explore more. I mean, the cast was amazing. You got Angelina Jolie out there slicing it up.

Katie: Mother.

Taylor: Literally. The girl who played Makkari, who I cannot remember her name right now, but she was, oh my God, she was incredible. I wanted to cry. Oh, she was so good.

Katie: And now let’s just say, mainly because I need this on a recording and not just in a bunch of Instagram comments that I’ve been leaving since Saltburn came out, but I have been on the Barry Keoghan train, not even since Eternals, since Dunkirk. Okay, but listen, let’s just say we love our boy Druig over here like adore our boy Druig and so I’m ready. And now that he’s having such a huge moment in the spotlight too, I’m like, bring them all back already, I want them. I mean, in flashbacks, give me Salma Hayek like I don’t care, I want them all back. I want the story to be told. I mean, Sersi has been abducted by a Celestial, we need to address some of these big things. We have Harry Styles showing up.

Taylor: I was waiting for it.

Katie: Oh, he was coming. Don’t worry, don’t worry, don’t worry. I need to know what happens next and nothing has touched it. I mean, we’ve barely even gotten a reference to, you know, the whole Celestial that’s sticking out of the earth. So let’s go. Give me a second one. There are so many cool things I think we can explore with it. I mean, honestly, I’m about to go just rewatch Eternals now that I’m talking about it because it’s been a while and I would love to go enjoy it again.

Taylor: Yeah, I mean, I think it is interesting the way that they’ve both been integrated and not integrated into the MCU. You have what’s his face with his hands sticking out of the earth currently?

Katie: Is he Arishem or is he the other one?

Taylor: Arishem is the big guy who stole Sersi at the end.

Katie: I do this every time.

Taylor: You do this. I can’t think of his name, the guy whose hand is sticking out. But I’m pretty sure Arishem is the one who took her.

Katie: Okay. Yeah, I can’t think of that one that’s sticking out.

Taylor: Yeah, but anyway, that is supposed to be a major plot point in the Thunderbolts, I think was the rumor. So hopefully we’re getting some sort of at least acknowledgment there. We obviously got that tiny little thing in She-Hulk. Then, of course, we actually had the Celestial in Thor: Love and Thunder. So we have had small references to these beings, but nothing about this group of beings that stopped him from actually destroying the entire Earth, who are great actors and actresses, great characters who I want to see again.

Katie: Listen, I agree 100%. I liked that it took me away from some of the typical Marvel-related stuff. It was a superhero movie that didn’t feel overly superheroy because they weren’t. They didn’t label themselves as such, and I liked that. I just thought they were an interesting group, I wanted more. It was a shame because obviously, the premise of the movie was that they were meant to be dying pretty much throughout it, so we did lose, I think 3, or 4 of them maybe even more, I’m losing track.

Taylor: At least three.

Katie: At least three, yeah. So I’m sitting here and, not only would I have wished to have seen all ten of them together, full-time, but the ones that are left are so interesting, and I just want to see their stories play out. And also, like I said, Harry Styles is Eros, Thanos’ brother, who just showed up at the end of those and I would love to know where we’re going with it because no other property is going to explore that and I know that.

Taylor: Yeah and I mean, it’s weird to me that we spent so much time in space recently. The Marvels come to mind immediately, but even Love and Thunder.

Katie: Well and Guardians.

Taylor: Yeah, like these very space-centered movies and I’m not saying you need to have the Eternals in there, but like, Guardians was the first place that ever introduced us to a Celestial. Never mentioned it again after the second one. I mean, well, let me rephrase. Never mentioned it in the third one after the Eternals, which is the only one that came after we were properly told what a Celestial was. What? That doesn’t make any sense.

Katie: Well, and now correct me if I’m wrong because I could be. It’s been a little while since I’ve seen this movie but isn’t Thena, Druig, and Makkari aren’t they on the ship? Like when Eros showed up they were on the ship out in space already. So there is this big ship just kind of floating around in space and nobody’s paying attention?

Taylor: Yeah, yeah.

Katie: Just a thought. Just a thought to go out there. 

Taylor: Well, and then you have Kit Harington’s character, whose name escapes me. It’s, I want to say Black Bolt, but I know that’s not right because that’s an Inhuman.

Katie: Black Knight.

Taylor: Yes.

Katie: He’s some sort of knight.

Taylor: Yeah because he has the sword, it’s his thing. And then wasn’t it Mahershala Ali’s Blade who got to VO at the end? So like hello. So then maybe you have to wonder like is our next kind of tie to any of these characters Blade if they’re going to cross those two together?

Katie: Well, I will say there’s also been a lot coming out, I mean, Twitter has been on fire lately with just a lot of big rumors and a lot of very reputable sources talking about things that they’re hearing and one of them is about a Midnight Sons line up.

Taylor: I heard that, and I am so infinitely excited. 

Katie: Yes, so I do wonder if a part of that plays in here with his character, but I will also say part of that and his drive to do what he does in the end credits is because Sersi is taken. So I kind of feel like I need a second Eternals to bridge that gap anyway.

Taylor: Agreed. Yeah, I definitely I mean, there’s so much room for story with these characters, for them to interact with other characters or keep them separate. I don’t really care at this point. I just want more of these characters. They’re fascinating, they’re so dynamic. They have a perspective on the universe that none of our other characters have, save for maybe Thor, because he’s actually no, not even Thor, because they talk about playing with Thor as a child. Okay, well, then they’re older than Thor, significantly. So nobody, nobody has the perspective on the universe that they do. They’re a wealth of knowledge that we’re not tapping into and it is infuriating.

Katie: I totally agree. And like I said, just in general, Chloe does an amazing job of just telling the story. Listen, if people didn’t like it, that’s honestly a shame because she took, yeah, it’s in the MCU bigger universe and yeah, it’s a superhero movie but I think if it hadn’t been tagged with that, that could have been an award-winning movie if I’m being completely honest.

Taylor: I mean, and then if you look visually, first of all, visually, it was stunning. Their outfits were amazing. Not that that’s the most important thing but also like, yes it is. That’s a whole category at the Oscars so I will say what I want to say about their outfits, which were wonderful and I was like in love with them. Third of all, the effects were so solid. I mean, watching Makkari run, and then you look at sorry DC, but then you look at the Flash and it just does not hold water. This is how you do speed and I don’t know if anybody else has seen the behind-the-scenes of how they got that shot, but it’s awesome and it’s so cool and it looks so good. So like, what is your problem with this film?

Katie: I totally agree. Listen, you’re preaching to the choir here.

Taylor: I’m well aware. I know, I know how much you like this film. And like I said, the only reason it wasn’t in my top two is because I didn’t want to duplicate your top two. And that takes me right to one that you just took off your list because you knew it was on mine because we are on the same wavelength here, which is Shang-Chi. I want to see my guy again. I can’t tell anybody how much I love Simu Liu like I adore that man. I have read his autobiography, he was a king as Ken. He hosted the People’s Choice Awards. I don’t know how you could be a person on this planet and not think Simu Liu is a treasure or if you do think he’s a treasure because that should be a given. Why are we not putting him in every single thing ever? Not only is he a great actor, but the character is awesome, he has really cool powers, the movie was great and he has a great supporting cast, and there’s just so much room there for him to do cool stuff. So another one, it’s just it boggles the mind that we are now two and a half years out from his movie. Two and a half? Two and a half.

Katie: Yeah, yeah, because September will be three, 2021.

Taylor: Gross. Okay. Two and a half years out from his movie and we have nary a word of a sequel. We know it’s coming, it’s confirmed, but we have no idea what it’s about really, when it’s coming, or if we’re going to see him between now and then, which in a shared universe is a possibility but tell me. Or if you’re not going to tell me, make it important and make it happen. Like I’m just the way that you feel about Eternals, that’s how I feel about Shang-Chi, and I just really want him back.

Katie: No, I do, I genuinely share those feelings, though, with Shang-Chi because it was visually amazing, we all know I have a very big, sweet spot for anything that deals with martial arts or anything in that realm so that was also super cool to see that come in and be such a prominent part to his story. I just think it’s a disservice to not allow us to return to not just the character, but the realms in which he belongs. Especially because and I wonder if this is why they’ve put it off, we don’t really have a lot of explanation as to the realms he comes from and, and how they tie into, I mean, I guess the Earth as a whole, but also the universe and then we also have the Multiverse currently at play. So I almost wonder if that partially put down the idea of the sequel, just because they don’t know how to fully explain that in everything else we have going on. Regardless, I think it was such a beautifully done movie from start to finish. It was so cool. You have some awesome end credits, that one I think we reference a lot, but the other one is that his sister is out here, possibly following in her father’s footsteps. I think there’s so much potential for his character, and I see he’s in a lot of lineups for Avengers. I see that a lot of the times when people are doing the next team-up and the rumors are flying, he is on that list and as he should be, but he deserves a sequel before we get an Avengers movie.

Taylor: Oh, I totally agree. I mean, he’s such a great character, but I think before I need to see him on an Avengers lineup, I need to see him progress a little more and that’s not a knock on him. I love the character and I love Simu in the role, but also it’s kind of an excuse for me to say, make the second movie, you losers like, what are you doing? He’s a great character. The film I think, did pretty well. Honestly, let’s just say this, fall/winter 2021 has been the peak of Marvel in terms of the post-Endgame era. That’s the best we’ve gotten. I mean, from Eternals, Shang-Chi, we got What If? in that period, if you’re counting late summer, we got Hawkeye and we got No Way Home. 

Katie: Oh, wow. I guess I didn’t realize how quickly all those movies came out on top of each other.

Taylor: Yeah, 2021 as a very brand new podcast was a little insane.

Katie: Well and I remember but I guess to be fair, I had just gone back to school for my senior year, so it also, while I know I saw these movies because I obviously went and and I remember like, I saw Shang-Chi with my roommates and I know I saw Eternals alone, and I know I saw No Way Home with my roommates and then I came home and Taylor and I went and saw it again. I know we did all of that, but it’s very hard for me to realize that actually happened.

Taylor: Yeah, in such a short span of time. Especially like we had the beginning of the year, that was the year that we got WandaVision, Falcon and the Winter Soldier, and Loki Season One. Then we kind of had a break because Black Widow came out early.

Katie: Was it really?

Taylor: Yeah, because then Black Widow came out during Loki Season One. Then we had a tiny break, then it was What If? Season One right into Shang-Chi, a little bit of time off into Hawkeye, into No Way Home. Oh, sorry, no. Shang-Chi. Eternals, then into Hawkeye, which overlapped with No Way Home. We had like four shows, five shows, and four movies.

Katie: Well, and then Moon Knight came out not far after we had some other movie that I don’t remember and then we had MoM.

Taylor: It was Morbius, that’s why you don’t remember. 

Katie: That checks with how Madame Web is going, yeah, that all makes sense.

Taylor: We don’t count those unless we have to.

Katie: Yeah. I was like, I definitely remember seeing another one. Wait Venom came out somewhere in there too, in in fall of 2021, Venom 2. 

Taylor: Yeah it did. It was a very busy year because remember we were coming off all that stuff that had backed up during the pandemic.

Katie: Wow.

Taylor: All came out in 2021.

Katie: Wow but yeah, regardless of all of that, I totally agree. Shang-Chi needs to come back. And you were kind of saying with the character and everything, I think the first movie was beautifully done because we need to explain his story. We had to understand his relationship with his father, and we had to understand the rings. And so I think that all tied in very nicely, especially coming off of Iron Man 3, where we did have a reference, we kind of saw this, but not really. I think to get an Avengers film with him in it suddenly would feel very jarring. I need to know what my guy’s been up to since his whole expedition over and he technically took down his father, and now he has the rings. He also had a weird meeting with Carol and Wong and the Hulk and whatever. I need to know what he’s doing on his day-to-day. Like, is it back to valeting or is he a hero saving the day in the same city Scott Lang’s hanging out in? I need to understand what he’s up to and what his story looks like now before I see him in an Avengers film.

Taylor: Well, and then we haven’t even touched on quite possibly the biggest opportunity when it comes to him, which is whatever his rings mean and whatever sister bangles they may or may not be related to. Which is honestly why we’ve brought up his character so many times in the last year and a half, two years. There’s so much out there, whether or not we get the Kang storyline aside, because I know we’ve talked about how those kind of have a similar vibe and look and things like that. Kamala’s bangles, now that we know what those are being Quantum bands, that makes the potential that they are of a similar build. Not necessarily more likely because I can’t say that but if they are, it makes it that much more interesting. It means it’s that much more important that we not only get Shang-Chi, but we get his ten rings, because those might be some of the most important pieces of jewelry in the entire universe, and you cannot put some of the most important pieces of jewelry in the entire universe on the sideline for three years and say, by the way, welcome back. I know that’s what they’re doing, but it’s very aggravating.

Katie: We are totally aligned. Don’t even worry. I’m going to pivot us now to my second choice. And I’m going to be honest, I keep kind of going back and forth between them because I’m not really sure there’s two and I’m not sure which one I want to say. My heart tells me one, my brain tells me the other. I’m going to go with my heart and that is a third Doctor Strange, which we know is coming. We know it’s going to happen just like Shang-Chi. It’s been one of those that were like, we all know there’s going to be a second one, but it’s kind of more of the question of when. And I actually think this one has been talked about, Doctor Strange 3 has actually been talked about a lot on this podcast because of how MoM ended. Additionally, because of MoM being kind of crappy in general, beyond Wanda, beyond my queen, but everything else being kind of crappy about the movie.

Taylor: It really ended our streak of great stuff.

Katie: It did. It really did. Oh, it did.  I honestly remember leaving the theater and my roommates were like, that was so good and I was like, that was the worst thing I’ve ever seen. And then I literally sat there and for an hour explained all the reasons it was bad, and they were like, well, when you put it like that, like, yeah, it’s not that good and I was like, exactly, that’s all we needed to say.

Taylor: I’m pretty sure you and I texted each other and we’re like, I really wanted to like that movie, but I didn’t, did you? How did you feel? We both went in and you all know you heard the predictions episode, you heard the hype, the level of excitement and look, maybe that was on us with the expectations. Like everybody else, we got wrapped up in it. Then we texted each other and I was like, it didn’t do it for me and you’re like, no, same.

Katie: No but listen, and I’ve said this on this podcast so many times that at the end of the day, you can’t call a movie Multiverse of Madness and really only soundly visit like two other universes. It just, I don’t, I don’t know, I think that’s where the problem starts, and then it just kind of snowballs. I think beyond everything, the second one being kind of cruddy, makes me want the third one even more, beyond Clea, beyond knowing that we’re going to Secret Wars, which is all other reasons of course I want a third one. I want them to fix this, because the first Doctor Strange, while I remember not liking it initially because it was such a different direction, ever since I’ve seen it past that first time, I have loved it. It is visually so amazing and I will say I don’t think MoM was visually bad, I just think it was bad. But the first Doctor Strange, I think just in general, the writing and the introduction to his character are so well done versus I think the second one, and I don’t mean this in a bad way, because we all know I love Wanda, but it got too wrapped up in making her a villain, even though it didn’t make sense, that they almost forgot they had to tell the whole rest of the story and it just all crumbled. I think if we can put the focus back on Doctor Strange and what he’s up to, I think a third one is going to be amazing. I think the same with Shang-Chi, but for very different reasons. We have to get a third one before we enter Secret Wars as far as I’m concerned. Or a third one is going to make literally no sense.

Taylor: Yeah, there are so many things to come off of what you just said. First, I think one of the other things you talked about not liking the first Doctor Strange originally, but then that made me remember when we did our replay episode, but I remember both of us being like, wow, we really like this. Then looking at it and knowing where his character goes, it is very much like a little whiplash because he starts off as this major turd and he’s really full of himself and he’s a total butthole but then by the end, you see him kind of coming around. He’s much more likable. Then you see him in Infinity War and Endgame, even in No Way Home.

Katie: Ragnorak.

Taylor: Yeah, he’s much more likable, much more responsible and you can see that growth and that character development. Then I felt like, so much of what happened to him and what the choices that he makes in MoM kind of fly against all of the development that he did. And I get that they needed to, like, set up the idea of Doctor Strange in every universe being a menace to the Multiverse.

Katie: Essentially to society.

Taylor: Truly but then also like if you think about what they did in the recent season of What If?, it’s like, okay, I guess in every universe he is just going to be the bad guy. And maybe that’s why they’re leading us this way to lead us towards Secret Wars, where he does become Doom’s right-hand man. Maybe in some ways, Derrickson’s vision for the evolution of this character was not in line with the ultimate evolution of the character, which is to see him make the ultimate wrong decision when it comes to Secret Wars. And so like that part I get, but I just want to point that out. The other thing I wanted to say is, yes, you need another movie before you get to Secret Wars. I don’t think that this version personally is ready to go be Doom’s right-hand man, he’s never even met the guy. Why would he give up his principles or any of his sense of right or wrong? Which, yes, is warped, you know, we get it. We’ve seen him make a few bad mistakes, but this is a really big one, and this is a really big choice to make for a guy that we’ve never seen him even cross paths with, as far as we know.

Katie: My answer that I’m going to have here hits both parts of what you just said, and it actually refers to something I’ve said before. Doctor Strange is a character you actually kind of already said, but going from the first movie to the second movie for him is jarring.

Taylor: It is.

Katie: I get it. I understand that this is not always going to perfectly align, but Doctor Strange is one of the few characters who is so sucked into other movies, and we listed them, there’s at least four other appearances he makes between his two movies. Which are also, as a reminder, seven or eight years apart. 

Taylor: Six.

Katie: I can’t do math, but regardless, six years is still a lot between a first movie and a second. Then have made four other appearances in the meantime, three of them consecutive pretty much.

Taylor: And three of them are large, significant appearances. Ragnarok is the only one that could be considered a cameo. The other three, he moves the plot along.

Katie: Exactly so, because he is one of the few characters that I think falls to that formatting, it does make it very difficult to create sequels to him, and I hate it because if I were to take out, you know, the three Captain Americas or the Chris Evans because we’re about to have a fourth one, which is technically a first one. But if I were to take out the Chris Evans trilogy, for the most part, I could watch those back to back, and I would at least pretty much be able to follow the story and it doesn’t feel jarring. He’s the same character if anything well, Natasha’s not in the first one, but if anything, Natasha from the second to the third is more jarring than anything, and that’s fine. The Iron Man’s I could do the same, even the Thors and they have literally gone from super dark and just kind of crappy to super fun and then just like, way too fun, and now we’re also crappy and they’re about to have a fifth one. Yet I can still follow those for the most part and he is also one that has been involved in other projects. Doctor Strange is just being sucked in the wrong way, and his character is not able to make sense of his own story anymore. And because of that, I want a third one, because I want a redemption arc in the sense of I want a movie redemption arc because I need to see Strange devolve essentially into the version he needs to be for Secret Wars.

Taylor: Yeah and I think the ending of two with that third eye and the appearance of Clea, I think that really sets it up and that’s why I think to your point, there’s no way we’re not getting the third one before we go to Secret Wars. Why they haven’t just gone and announced it and put it on the slate, I’ll never understand. But hey, catch us in July after Comic-Con and maybe we’ll have a date, I’m not sure, but I definitely think it has to happen.

Katie: Listen, Marvel has been out here, or at least the rumor mill has been out here by reputable, again, very reputable sources with a lot of movies that they’re claiming are going to be coming out before Secret Wars and last I checked, Secret Wars is what, 2026, 2027?

Taylor: Yeah, I mean, I forgot Blade was happening because it’s gotten pushed so many times, apparently Blade is coming out next year.

Katie: Oh yes, that got pushed. But you know, we’ve been talking and this whole time, there’s a movie called Kang Dynasty that’s also supposed to come out.

Taylor: Who cares? Honestly, is it? Is it?

Katie: No but I don’t think it’s going to be Kang dynasty but I do think it’ll be an Avengers film. So regardless, there’s actually supposed to be a movie before Secret Wars already, and I’m just trying to keep up because they have not moved those two back yet again for the 17th time. But there are a lot of movies they’re saying are supposedly making it and making the cut prior to them coming out.

Taylor: Well, there are a lot of movies that need to happen to make Secret Wars possible.

Katie: I agree, my point just being, we’re getting down on the wire a little bit. Now, who knows because while they just announced the Fantastic Four cast, apparently we’re getting that movie in a little more than a year. Maybe we’re really hitting the gas again, I’m not sure.

Taylor: But then again, the other thing that Bob Iger said the whole reason we’re having this episode, he said two things. He said we’re doing sequels and we’re slowing it down. Yet somehow Marvel said, let me cram 15 movies in the next two years so you guys are ready for Secret Wars. Make that make sense. You’re talking out of two sides of your mouth.

Katie: That’s what I mean. So I don’t know but that is my second pick because, well, there are a lot of reasons why it’s my second pick, as I explained, but I would like to see a third one, especially before we hit any of the big team-up movies.

Taylor: Oh for sure, I totally agree, definitely aligned. My second and final pick, I also was going between two, but I’m going to go with my heart as well. I’m going to pick a sequel to No Way Home aka Spider-Man 4 for a multitude of reasons. The first one that comes to mind is you all know how much I loved the ending of No Way Home, setting Peter Parker back to his very stereotypical beginnings, the way that I, as a child, was introduced to Peter Parker both in animated and Tobey Maguire form. All of those things that make me so nostalgic for the character are coming back, and that’s what that set up, and I can’t wait. It’s been way too long already without a confirmation. The second reason is what’s happened very recently everything that was set up with Kingpin coming out of Echo, that’s going to be further explored in Born Again. There’s so much pointing to that also having an effect on Spider-Man 4, or at least being a plotline in Spider-Man 4 that I am now even more excited to see the character come back, face one of his most prominent villains and one that we haven’t seen yet in live action. We saw Miles fight him in Into the Spider-Verse, so a Spider-Man has fought a Kingpin in an MCU adjacent film, but never in live action and never yet Peter Parker, Tom’s Peter Parker, because that Peter Parker obviously did too in that film. But I am so excited about the live-action version of this happening, and I just can’t wait. I also think Tom Holland is such a great Spider-Man. I love that he is so focused on telling the right stories for the character and making sure that we’re not just making films just to make films. Not that I really thought Marvel was doing that with his character, but we’ve just seen what Sony did. I know that having him in the room, having Kevin in the room, and helping to make these decisions can help Sony make smart decisions, unlike what they recently just put out so that Spider-Man 4 isn’t trash. And think about Spider-Man 3, No Way Home, it did so well. Considering the time that it came out, it was the first time that people were really going to the movies like nutso since the pandemic. It was breaking all kinds of records since we had come back and I think there’s just something special, too, about that whole time and the rebirth of going to the movies. I know it was like our fourth time back that year, but none of them felt like that. None of them had people cheering in the theaters, and I’m ready for them to try to top themselves and do it again.

Katie: I’m excited for Spider-Man 4, for all the reasons you’ve already said, for the fact that I think we’re bringing him back to what we know him to be. We’ve had our complaints about his original trilogy, especially being the whole stuck under Tony Stark in his shadow kind of vibe. That’s fine. They’ve told us it’s essentially a prequel to his current story that’s coming, and that’s great. I think he has so much potential and I think by almost rebooting his character, I remember way back when, us having a whole episode and I mean way back when, I remember being, I think we were in the same room recording kind of way back when, and we did a whole episode on who we think is going to be part of the next Avengers lineup. At the time, we did have him on there, and not that I don’t think he might have some involvement, but I think the reboot actually allows him to be in a very different group and that’s those who wander New York like Daredevil even can we get a Deadpool? Because those two are like besties in the comics. I think that allows him to have some more interesting interactions with other groups now that they’ve essentially rebooted the character away from Iron Man and therefore away from The Avengers. I’m excited. I think there are really cool directions they can take this character. As of right now, I know Sony is fighting for their life to make Spider-Man 4 a Multiversal movie, and I’m like, Sony, how did Madame Web do? And that’s all I have to say.

Taylor: And that’s all I’ve got to say about that as Forrest Gump would say.

Katie: That’s my mic, not drop, mic topple of the evening is how did Madame Web do Sony and then talk to me about making another Spider-Man Multiversal movie. Thank you. 

Taylor: Yeah. I also think I mean, realistically, timing-wise, this movie, there’s no way it comes out before Secret Wars, though it really should.

Katie: It really should.

Taylor: He should be there. He should be there with a live-action Miles. He needs to be there and there’s no way he’s going to be there in his current state because nobody knows who he is.

Katie: I mean, that’s fine. Nobody needs to know he’s Peter Parker.

Taylor: No, but nobody even, like-.

Katie: Yeah, but they know Spider-Man. That’s not what was forgotten. It was just that Peter Parker’s Spider-Man was forgotten. All those people who interact with him still know who he is like, as a whole. They know he’s Spider-Man. So it’s not weird for him to just show up because they’re like, oh yeah, we’ve seen that dude before. He’s been here.

Taylor: Yeah, but I feel like it’s like he’s not as close. He doesn’t have the same connection level that he did before, because all of those people knew Peter Parker was Spider-Man. Think about MJ, MJ didn’t know who Peter was. She’s not going to really know who Spider-Man is that was kind of how I was reading it was that like anybody who really knew both versions of him isn’t going to really, like Spider-Man is almost starting over.

Katie: Yeah, but she didn’t mention Spider-Man like they weren’t talking about Spider-Man in their interaction. So how do you know she doesn’t know who Spider-Man is?

Taylor: I don’t know, I made a leap.

Katie: I think it was the wrong one and I think you should stay on the ground next time. Just for your own safety.

Taylor: You’re so rude.

Katie: Either way, I do think they know who Spider-Man is as a whole, and I don’t think that takes away from the fact he fought in Endgame and was with them on Titan in Infinity War. I don’t think any of that is forgotten by the people who were there.

Taylor: Oh, I guess that’s true because J. Jonah Jameson still hates him.

Katie: Yeah, like he’s still Spider-Man to everybody. He could show up at Strange’s door and Strange would know him as Spider-Man, but not remember he had all those interactions with Peter Parker.

Taylor: Yeah, I guess I just kind of extrapolated, like, I don’t remember Peter Parker, too. I don’t remember interacting with any version of you at all.

Katie: No, I don’t think, that’s not what I took that as at all, because I remember Strange saying, oh, everybody will forget that Peter Parker is Spider-Man and when he’s trying to do the spell, that’s why Peter keeps messing up. He’s like, oh, but I don’t really want to have to retell some of these people, like, is there a way to write them out of the spell? But it’s not that people are going to forget Spider-Man as a whole, or like the people who knew him are forgetting Spider-Man, or knew him as Spider-Man, or forgetting him as Spider-Man. It’s just forgetting that if he was ever unmasked in front of them, they’re not going to remember that. That’s what I took all of that as like Spider-Man was not erased from everybody’s minds. Just Peter Parker being Spider-Man was.

Taylor: I think I need to rewatch the movie, to be honest, because it’s been a long time. It’s been over two years, and I think over the years my understanding has kind of evolved into probably a little bit more extreme than what it actually is.

Katie: Yeah, because I think you’re a little too far on that one.

Taylor: Yeah. I mean, either way though, to some extent, it is kind of weird if you’re an Avenger, right? You all know who everybody’s alter ego is. You all know that Bruce Banner is the Hulk. You all know that Tony Stark was Iron Man. You know these things. It is kind of strange that you, pun intended, that you know this hero, but you don’t know who it is. That part is a little odd.

Katie: I’m going to ask a really weird question because I was going through my brain and I was like, are there characters who this is not true for? Obviously, Daredevil’s not been in the MCU long enough, nor has he met a lot of people. But it did make me pose the question of does She-Hulk know who’s under the mask or did he keep it on? 

Taylor: Ooh.

Katie: A question I feel I now have to ask because she might know who he is now, but she might not and he might still be a masked hero.

Taylor: I don’t know, I don’t know how that went down for them.

Katie: Although he shows up at the end. Was he unmasked? He met the family.

Taylor: Oh yes. Yeah.

Katie: Okay. Then I answered my own question.

Taylor: Yeah, because I forgot he showed up after the walk of shame.

Katie: No, I remember at the very end there, because that’s when Hulk brings his strange random son who just flies in with a horrible hairline and I don’t really know, like I think that overshadowed the moment. So I guess I’m trying to think but yeah, I guess none of them are technically masked, still.

Taylor: Yeah. Kate’s been unmasked, Kamala has been unmasked, Ronin even has been unmasked, technically.

Katie: Yeah so I don’t know. It could be but I mean, in the comics, it’s not like everybody knows Spider-Man is Peter Parker. Nobody questions that this dude just kind of shows up in spandex tights and can walk on walls and he’s just like, here to help. Nobody questions that. Nobody’s like, take the mask off, we need to prove that you’re a good person. They’re just like, cool, thanks, dude.

Taylor: Yeah, I mean, you have a point. I think it’s just a little, that’s the one part that’s a little jarring because they all did know who he was. They all knew him and in fact, the whole world knew who he was. And then they go from that to not even his closest allies know who Peter Parker is, is like, I’m still trying to wrap my head around that. And that, I think, is why I was like, oh, I guess they must not know who Spider-Man is, because over time I just kind of was like, it’s got to be the whole thing.

Katie: It’s definitely why we need Spider-Man 4 before we have any team-up movies, that’s for sure. I think we need to establish some foundation for that character now, now that he’s been, like I said, essentially rebooted. We need the foundation prior to here’s a random team-up just like Shang-Chi. We saw the start and that was good but now we need to kind of see the current foundation and who he is now.

Taylor: Yeah, so much has happened, transformational for the character that we need to understand what our baseline now that we’re working with before he is tossed into other personalities, other storylines, and furthering other plot lines, he needs his own to be reestablished, I totally agree.

Katie: Oh yeah, for sure. I couldn’t have said that better.

Taylor: So with those two sequels slash properties, we are going to call it an episode. If you enjoyed our coverage today and you have not yet done so, please make sure that you are subscribing on your podcast platform of choice to get the rest of our coverage for all things Marvel and MCU for the rest of however long we keep doing this, which is hopefully a very, very long time. Also, make sure that you are checking out our website because it is the central hub for all things Sisters Assembled.

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