Transcript – Unedited

Hello listeners, and welcome to Sisters Assembled, where we are covering the end of season one of X-Men 97, which is crazy. It’s been 11 weeks, sorry, ten weeks since we did our predictions. Forgot that there was one and two put together. It’s been ten weeks since we did our predictions. We started our predictions at the beginning of spring.

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Speaker 1

It’s now struggling to become summer. It’s been a long time, but in X-Men time it feels very short because every week has been insane. And it’s crazy to think that it’s coming to an end. We have plenty more X-Men content coming down the pipeline for you, but in relation to straight reactions coming out of an episode, this is the last one.

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Speaker 1

It’s the end of an era.

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Speaker 2

Yeah, man, I can’t believe it’s been ten weeks since we were doing predictions already. Like, it is kind of crazy to me that it is the end of May. Just about. Or I should say it’s like mid-May. It’s not the end of May because the anime is my birthday, so I can’t say that yet, but it is May and like we started this.

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Speaker 2

What? March?

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Speaker 1

Yeah, right before my birthday.

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Speaker 2

Crazy. Well, it had to be before that though. No, I don’t know. I can’t count.

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Speaker 1

No, the first episode came out the 20th, two days before my birthday.

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Speaker 2

Well, predictions.

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Speaker 1

So yeah, but seriously, like, that was a week before my birthday.

00:02:54:22 – 00:03:26:07

Speaker 2

Okay. Well, yeah. So we’ve been doing this for a while is the point. Yeah. But let me just say hats off because for the first time ever, a series has gone ten for ten. In this case, there were ten episodes all the way through from start to finish. And it was amazing. It was amazing. And for, I would say one of the first times ever, because there were a few, like The Falcon and Winter soldier stuck a freaking landing for the first time ever.

00:03:26:07 – 00:03:42:00

Speaker 2

I’m not walking out of a show being like, well, the rest of it was fine, but actually the ending kind of sucked. And now I don’t like the show because I just keep thinking of the ending I’m looking at. Like every show of 2023. Thank you very much. We have had a winner finally.

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Speaker 1

Yeah, there were elements I didn’t love. I think it was probably my least favorite episode out of all of them.

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Speaker 2

Maybe this one.

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Speaker 1

Yeah.

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Speaker 2

Oh, Taylor.

00:03:51:13 – 00:04:10:18

Speaker 1

Maybe it’s because the others had so much anticipation. And I think this one did a really, really good job of setting up season two. But I think that there were other episodes that I liked more, and there were other, except maybe I lied. I like episode four was my least favorite, but I just thought that there were other episodes that I enjoyed way more like I loved five.

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Speaker 1

I thought five was insane. I thought six was good, seven, eight and nine were incredible.

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Speaker 2

I can’t believe you’re saying this right now. I can’t believe we’re not aligned.

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Speaker 1

I’m not saying I didn’t like the episode because I literally had to get dressed in ten minutes today because I watched almost the entire thing before work, which I don’t have time to do in my normal schedule. So yeah, got dressed in ten minutes because I couldn’t stop watching. It was a great episode, but I think about like that period of five through eight as the absolute highlight of this show.

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Speaker 1

Just everything that it was setting up, know, shot, all of it. And just the way that the pieces were falling together. And maybe it’s because I don’t like endings. Maybe it’s because we like, got the full resolution. And it’s not that it didn’t stick the landing. I just think there were pieces that I thought were a little slower, but I think it did a good job of setting up season two, and I know we’re going to get into a lot of that.

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Speaker 1

There are a lot of Easter eggs at the end. The end when they, the asteroid exploded, I was on the subway. I literally gasped. My mouth dropped open. It was a good episode. I still think there were better episodes.

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Speaker 2

I can’t believe that we are not aligned on this. I’m shocked. I will say, like, I think there were some other episodes that were a little bit more like On the Edge of my chair. I know five I genuinely left the episode crying. We all know why and I think there were a few others I know. Nine like those last three seconds were like, what the heck just happened?

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Speaker 2

But for a finale, I thought this from start to finish did everything it had to do, and I liked that. There was an unexpected kind of turn of events with the asteroid, because I definitely was thinking, what’s next? Right? We ended nine in a place of uncertainties, really like, and I kept saying, since we started, tolerance is Extinction, which obviously is eight, nine, ten, every app and seven was obviously leading up to it.

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Speaker 2

Seven, eight, nine. It was like I’m seeing the general direction we’re going. I don’t know how this is going to end. And that’s kind of what I kept saying in the blog post. Two was it was like, we’re filling in the puzzle, but I have so many holes. Still, I’m not really sure what the picture is, and not in a bad way, but I really was unsure.

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Speaker 2

Like, what are we going to see in episode ten? And obviously episode nine ended in a way where you’re like, crap, our heroes aren’t looking too good out here, things aren’t going too well, and so I’m glad they went further than just bastion then. And there was like multiple layers and they brought Magneto’s storyline along. I just think as a whole it was a great episode.

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Speaker 2

Like I was on the edge of my chair watching this thing the whole time. I was like, yes, yes, yes, yes. And then and we will get to the ending and we will get to the mid-credits scene, because then make credit scene. I have been talking about since episode five, and I knew I was like, it’s either going to be the last few set.

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Speaker 2

I didn’t know how they were going to do it, but I knew I was like, it’s either going to be the last few seconds of the episode or they’re going to do a mid or end credit for the first time. To set up this for season two, I was like, they have to.

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Speaker 1

They have to, they have to.

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Speaker 2

I didn’t expect the ending with them kind of going everywhere. And again, we’ll get into this more in detail, but I was definitely expecting something along the lines of the mid-credits scene and I was like, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

00:07:34:23 – 00:07:51:17

Speaker 1

Yeah. I mean, look to what you were saying at the beginning. I too think it did what it had to do as a finale. Right? It wrapped up the bastion storyline, it wrapped up the Magneto storyline because as we’ve talked about through most of this season, the main character in this season was Magneto. He was number one on the call sheet.

00:07:51:19 – 00:08:18:09

Speaker 1

It was his story, his evolution. And I think we saw the resolution of that to this point. There’s some things that it hinted at for the future, but I definitely did a good job wrapping up a lot of storylines, moving things forward, setting things up for season two. I think we should just start to get into some of the details because there’s a lot to talk about, a lot to unpack, a lot that was set up a ton of cameos.

00:08:18:11 – 00:08:43:11

Speaker 1

I mean, it was kind of insane. I also think there were some interesting callbacks like previous storylines. Obviously, we saw the Phoenix come back in this storyline. We saw asteroid M come back in this storyline. I mean, we saw it in episode nine as well, but even the same idea of like, do they blow up asteroid M? Like that was a little bit from the past, which I think maybe that’s where I got I struggled a little bit is I was like, oh, we’ve done this asteroid M thing before.

00:08:43:11 – 00:09:00:11

Speaker 1

I do agree. Like at the end, they kind of saved it for me. Were they like went off into multiple different times along the timeline. But I do think like that’s one place where I was like, ooh, okay, we’re doing the asteroid M storyline. Like we’ve seen this before, even a little bit with the Phoenix. I was like, oh, the Phoenix is back.

00:09:00:11 – 00:09:04:15

Speaker 1

Like, yes, these are iconic storylines, but also at the same time we’ve seen them, you know?

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Speaker 2

Yeah, I mean, I thought the Phoenix would come back. I think I covered that in a blog post because you could tell they were outnumbers, not the word out powered maybe is the word or the phrase. At least you could tell bastion had one up on them. I mean, that’s how episode nine ended. So I did see the Phoenix making an appearance.

00:09:22:15 – 00:09:43:06

Speaker 2

I liked that it was brief, and it was just kind of like to the point where it helped take out the Prime Sentinels, and it was like, okay, chess piece removed from the story. Awesome. Now we don’t need to focus on them anymore. So I did like that because it was quick and easy, especially because what episode was it, 7 or 8, where the Prime Sentinels were activated and we kind of already saw them.

00:09:43:06 – 00:09:57:14

Speaker 2

We saw the fight with them. So I didn’t feel like we needed to do the whole fight with them again. So I appreciated that. That was like a quick little. Like, what did staples used to have, like the easy button? Like that’s what it felt like on the other end of it, you were kind of saying with asteroid M, I get it.

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Speaker 2

I think I was a little confused at first when Magneto last episode, like, pulled a rock out of the ocean because I was like, dude, didn’t we cover this? And it was a little different because obviously he didn’t have mutants up there. The only people up there, well, deal in person was him and then Rogue and Sunspot, who joined him, but there was no one else versus originally.

00:10:17:16 – 00:10:31:08

Speaker 2

Obviously he it was the Haven. And that’s and maybe that’s the intention of where it was going eventually. But that’s not what happened yet. I did kind of feel that last episode, but knowing it was already in the story, I just was like, well, they have to do something different with it, right?

00:10:31:08 – 00:10:45:05

Speaker 1

Yeah, I don’t disagree. I think I thought less about it last episode because there was so much going on. And then this episode when it became a storyline of like the Magneto protocol, that’s when I was like, this feels familiar. And that’s where I was like, oh, okay.

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Speaker 2

Yeah, that’s fair.

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Speaker 1

And that’s probably my bigger complaint. And I was like, oh, like, we’ve we’ve kind of seen this done already. And I like I said, the way that they kind of saved it for me was at the end when they were dispersed. And we will definitely talk about everything that that set up because that was huge and basically give us, gave us our biggest hint at what we’re going to look at next season.

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Speaker 1

But I think up until that point, it was kind of nagging at me that I was like, all right, there’s this feels for the first time, like we’re a little bit too much leaning on the original series. It’s sort of building off of it.

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Speaker 2

I see the concerns and I definitely at one point felt a little bit of it, but I think the asteroid part really came in clutch for this episode, because if we look at it as a whole, the battle was always going to be with bastion. And let’s just talk about him for a second here, because I don’t know what he was going through.

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Speaker 2

Metamorphosis. I’m not really sure what was happening to that man thing. Robot, but he was leveling up.

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Speaker 1

So it’s interesting you say that because I also was confused. But I want to provide a point of clarity. Apparently cable’s arm had the techno organic virus in it, and when he, like, absorbed that, that kind of helped him like level up. Because isn’t that exactly what made him who he is anyway? Like, his dad was infected by that when he was created?

00:12:03:06 – 00:12:14:01

Speaker 1

Yes. So I think that was kind of what helped there was that that was already living in cable’s arm. Okay. And that’s why he took his arm, which was very Bucky coded. I’ll say.

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Speaker 2

I definitely felt a little triggered during that moment. I’m not going to lie. I felt civil war coming out of me, and I was like, something hurts. And let’s just say you hurt me in episode five with a want to call back, you’re hurting me in episode ten with a Bucky callback. Like, let’s bring some peace to Katie, okay?

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Speaker 2

I could use some peace. You already killed my favorite character in this series, although we’ll get to that in a second. Haha. But yeah, I okay. I understood the arm was part of it, but I really wasn’t following the level up. I was just like what is going on? But as I kind of said, I like the idea that the Phoenix came in and was the one who was able to put the I don’t want to call it power neutralizer because it really didn’t do that.

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Speaker 2

It severed his connection with the Prime Sentinels. He still obviously had his abilities, but I’m going to call it that for the time being. It’s just easier to say made sense. I like that, and I like that he wanted to go after asteroid, because I think that brought another layer to like, if you looked at it from the human perspective, which they showed, and I appreciated that.

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Speaker 2

It’s like Magneto is up to no good. Magneto is about to drop an asteroid on us. Oh no. And it’s like, actually the only reason this thing’s coming down is because the bastard, like, it was very interesting because were seeing the behind the scenes, it was almost like behind the curtain. And we know that bastion has this whole plan because he’s like, pretty much screw humanity.

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Speaker 2

I’m the next step of evolution. I am who I am, like, whatever. And that’s where he reaches the end. At the end of this episode is he’s pretty much like, screw everyone, right? But the humans don’t see that. And I think that’s so interesting to me.

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Speaker 1

Yeah, it’s definitely very much one of those stories that the story you understand depends on the perspective at which you’re hearing it. So to your point, if you’re just a regular human, you’re like, deja vu. I’ve seen this before. Magneto’s got an asteroid. Like, here we go. Very much like what you and I were just this time.

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Speaker 2

He’s trying to drop it on us instead of having it be a haven.

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Speaker 1

Yeah, like this time he’s pod, and this time he’s using it as a little bit of a baseball. And that is a bummer. Instead of it being like a little world. So that’s the human perspective. The mutant perspective is okay, we just got kicked while we’re down. And now there’s like these super robot people who want to hate on us and kill us.

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Speaker 1

And that’s even worse than the genocide that we just went through, because this is sustained and targeted, and it’s basically like literally meant for our extinction. So the mutants are like, oh, man. And then they’re like their hero Magneto, who’s still alive. Who? They thought that was going to help them after he, you know, impede the world. He’s just they’re on this asteroid and they’re like, can we come on the asteroid?

00:15:00:03 – 00:15:19:06

Speaker 1

And now the asteroid is under attack. So that’s the mutant perspective. And then I can’t even talk about bastion. He’s just bonkers. He’s just like, not even living life in, like, any sense of reality. His entire hatred towards professor X is based on a lie, which is just like. I mean, I get it. That’s a really good motivator, right?

00:15:19:06 – 00:15:26:16

Speaker 1

Like, his mother told him a lie at a young age, and he’s used it to build this rhetoric of hate his whole life.

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Speaker 2

Which is fair. But I have to say, once I’ve learned it was on the lie, like once that kind of came through and then they were trying to tell him, I’m going to be honest, that might have become the weakest part of the episode for me, because it very much felt reminiscent of like an Iron Man villain. I don’t know how to say that in any other way.

00:15:44:09 – 00:16:03:11

Speaker 2

Then just the fact of everything he’s done, everything he’s built, the reason he’s been moving forward with the plans he’s had is built off of a lie, a single lie. And I guess, like, I was like, I understood your motivation, I understood I understood it, but when it wasn’t true, I was like, wow, like you went through all this and it’s not even real.

00:16:03:11 – 00:16:16:15

Speaker 1

I also was confused though, because to me, the more compelling motivation for him was that his biological instinct from the Sentinels was to kill mutants. He was born that way, right?

00:16:16:15 – 00:16:20:21

Speaker 2

Well, that’s what I thought too. And that’s what I mean. Like, I feel like that.

00:16:20:21 – 00:16:21:24

Speaker 1

Created and.

00:16:21:24 – 00:16:40:14

Speaker 2

I don’t even think I thought about it until this episode, when they pretty much were like, you were fed a lie. Like, this isn’t true. Professor X came for you like he was there. He wanted to help you. You could have been one of us. And I think he even at one point is like, really? Like I’m trying to kill you and you’re trying to brainwash me, like, what is your or you’re trying to recruit me?

00:16:40:16 – 00:17:08:17

Speaker 2

And I think it’s interesting because I do think that was the weakest part of the episode. I think he almost lost interesting motivation to me because to your point, he was pretty much programed. He had pieces of Nimrod and Master Mold, and he was created by both of these entities that are meant to absolutely obliterate mutants. That made sense to me, and I think they were maybe trying to appeal to his humanity and his emotion.

00:17:08:17 – 00:17:33:18

Speaker 2

I just think I, in this case, actually would have preferred the surface level of no, I was just born to hate you more than, oh, actually, like, my mommy told me a lie, but I didn’t know it was a lie. So I’ve hated you my whole life because of it. Like, I think that just again fell into, like, an Iron Man level villain where it’s like, very surface level, very like, I really it wasn’t it didn’t make you a compelling villain by the end.

00:17:33:20 – 00:17:52:06

Speaker 1

No, it’s like his whole plan was hatched because he was rejected as a child. Which, don’t get me wrong, like, rejection hurts. Especially when you’re a kid and you can’t really, like, understand it. Bummer that his mom chose to put that on him. Like, now it makes me look at his mother a little differently, even though she was kind of nuts.

00:17:52:06 – 00:18:11:14

Speaker 1

Anyway, I was kind of questioning, like, did she really believe in what he believed in, or did she just have the programing, which we knew she had the programing, but was that the programing speaking, or was that her true beliefs? Now we know that’s probably her true beliefs because she lied to her son that professor X didn’t want him when professor X obviously came to recruit him.

00:18:11:16 – 00:18:38:05

Speaker 1

But to your point, I think it was more interesting to go the biological instinct route because that’s so different from anything that we’ve seen. He was literally born to kill them. That is his sole purpose based on the programing that came from his father’s infection. That’s interesting. It’s new, it’s nuanced versus something we’ve seen before of I was rejected as a child or you didn’t accept me, which again, fine motivation.

00:18:38:05 – 00:18:38:16

Speaker 1

It’s been done.

00:18:38:16 – 00:18:58:10

Speaker 2

Before. Yeah. And I also think it made it weak because his whole thing was I’m the next step of evolution kind of thing. And then okay, so I should say this whole section was not my fave. By the time we’re on asteroid M and he’s about to get crushed by beast in the Sentinel, because then Storm and Cyclops and I understood the messaging, I got it.

00:18:58:14 – 00:19:22:23

Speaker 2

It’s powerful messaging to sit there and be like, we’re becoming the monsters that we’ve been running from. Essentially, I understood the messaging, and I don’t think that the messaging itself was the problem. I just felt like it was a strange twist. And I think, again, this comes down to let’s look at the OG series, a lot of these villains, I don’t want to say they’re one note, but they’re very like, hahaha, I have one purpose.

00:19:22:23 – 00:19:41:21

Speaker 2

Like look at Mr. Sinister. He has literally kidnaped Jean 17 million times. We still eat it up every single time. He does it a little differently and we’re like, oh, look at him go look at Mr. Sinister go. He’s kidnaped her. Who knows what I’ll do? Like it’s crazy every time. Apocalypse kind of the same vibe. Like he’s always something’s going crazy with him, sir.

00:19:41:21 – 00:20:00:20

Speaker 2

First level, not super like emotional. So I think I understood the idea of making a villain that you could kind of see the emotional level too. You could see how you could tell a story through them. And I think that was a whole thing. Was Storm and Cyclops being like, were trying to do what the humans have been doing to us.

00:20:00:20 – 00:20:13:05

Speaker 2

And that’s pretty much make him extinct. Like we’re trying to stop evolution or say that like, yeah, we should be accepting, but we’re not accepting of him, blah blah blah blah, blah. I get the point. I just don’t think it worked.

00:20:13:11 – 00:20:44:20

Speaker 1

I agree, I agree on a couple of levels. One, I think it doesn’t work because he is violently antagonist stick. Like I think that makes it difficult to accept anyone, right? So like I get the whole point is he is the future. He’s the next step in evolution. Sure, if he was just a normal person who maybe did get raised by professor X, or even was just able to live a normal life where he wasn’t, I mean, I have to think he was radicalized a little bit by his mom because she clearly had her own strong beliefs already.

00:20:45:00 – 00:21:06:06

Speaker 1

He is the bad guy here. Like he isn’t a good person. He is a villain. You can accept someone who is just different, but they’re not a bad person. That also just is is a challenge, right? I think to have them make this grand statement, which I think to your point, the message itself is important. I agree with the message of just because they’re different doesn’t mean they’re bad.

00:21:06:06 – 00:21:16:06

Speaker 1

But like the problem is Bastian is bad. Like objectively he’s a bad person, so he’s not necessarily like the proper recipient of that message. Yes.

00:21:16:06 – 00:21:36:24

Speaker 2

And I think it really upset me too, because I’m like, let’s like, are we all forgetting Joshua? Because that’s your that’s exactly what you’re saying. And I totally agree he is a bad person just because he is different. That’s not the issue. The messaging I understood and as we’re both saying, it was great messaging. However, you can’t use it on a villain.

00:21:36:24 – 00:21:56:13

Speaker 2

You just had us all watch murder hundreds of mutants, probably even more with his prime Sentinels that he set on them, which is also taking over humans. Plenty, I’m sure were not willing because let’s be real, he had way too many, in my opinion, to have like, managed to get them all to be willing at least.

00:21:56:13 – 00:22:00:02

Speaker 1

I would like to think that not that many people are that hateful.

00:22:00:02 – 00:22:14:14

Speaker 2

Well, my big thing in that is like when he had his whole town, I’m like, there’s no way the entire town, there’s at least one person who doesn’t agree with that. Like there is no way. So to me, I was just like, it’s in the water supply. Like he just put it out there and that’s how he did it.

00:22:14:14 – 00:22:39:00

Speaker 2

That’s immediately what I thought of. But you cannot make me see this villain and then suddenly be like, wait, we’re like the humans because we’re not accepting him because he’s different. No, that’s like, not the problem. You should be fighting him and not. I don’t say not accepting him, but pushing against him because he has literally been part of and planned a genocide and executed it.

00:22:39:05 – 00:23:00:20

Speaker 2

He has been trying to kill mutants left and right. That is what he’s been doing while weaponizing humans as well. And that was also a weird thing we’ll get to in a second, but that is a completely different line, and I just feel like it got written in there for like a little 32nd thing to try and really tell an extra part of a story that I just didn’t feel like it was there.

00:23:00:20 – 00:23:03:18

Speaker 2

So it was just sticking out like a sore thumb. Yeah.

00:23:03:18 – 00:23:16:12

Speaker 1

And my other problem with that whole like 180 and how they were treating him is like Cyclops literally tried to like, wipe the face of the earth with bastian’s body parts.

00:23:16:12 – 00:23:17:13

Speaker 2

So like literally.

00:23:17:13 – 00:23:34:23

Speaker 1

There’s just like a little bit of a lack of continuity there. He was like, you just killed my family. Or, like, seriously, you maimed my son. You and your colleague and made him kill my wife. I guess while they’re calling each other husband and wife now. So I think we can safely say that. But you made him kill my wife.

00:23:34:23 – 00:23:53:21

Speaker 1

You took my son’s arm. The only reason you look like that is because that’s my son’s arm that you’re wearing. So he was rightfully so. Very angry. He watched him, you know, murder his or, you know, come after you didn’t actually murder any of the X-Men, but come after the teammates and chosen family that he’s had for years, at least not in this episode.

00:23:53:21 – 00:23:56:04

Speaker 1

He didn’t murder any X-Men. I see your face.

00:23:56:06 – 00:23:59:14

Speaker 2

I’m like, there’s a very dead X-Man. Yeah.

00:23:59:16 – 00:24:11:16

Speaker 1

I meant specifically in episode ten. He did not actually end anyone’s life, so I totally like his. To me, his rage is justified. He, like, absolutely flew off the handle. So you’re telling me that he goes from flying off.

00:24:11:16 – 00:24:12:15

Speaker 2

The handle five.

00:24:12:15 – 00:24:17:22

Speaker 1

Minutes ago to you should become one of us? It’s all a lie. I just it didn’t land.

00:24:17:22 – 00:24:36:04

Speaker 2

No, I agree, and actually, it wasn’t until we started talking about it that I realized I had an issue with it, but it was because it was like, what are those like compliment sandwiches where you have to say like one good thing, something bad in the middle, and then like you say one other good thing. And so the person like walks away with the feedback, but they don’t feel bad about themselves.

00:24:36:10 – 00:24:51:06

Speaker 2

That’s what it felt like now that I’m thinking about it, like I enjoyed every other part of the beginning, then this happened and it was weak. But then I ignored it because then the ending happened and that was strong, so I wasn’t really thinking about it. I definitely think I didn’t love the the ending of Bastian.

00:24:51:06 – 00:24:52:05

Speaker 1

I don’t think he’s dead.

00:24:52:05 – 00:25:10:17

Speaker 2

Well, I mean, like the ending in this case of how the story was told, I don’t think I love the ending there. Then he got sucked out of the asteroid. Okay, he probably will make an appearance to what you were saying. I can see him coming back. I’d be intrigued. To what capacity? Like I can’t see him being an X-Men, you know?

00:25:10:17 – 00:25:32:23

Speaker 2

So, like, what else is he going to do? Is he going to continue being a villain? I don’t know, but I do want to bring up very briefly the Prime Sentinels, because we’ve been asking since their start, since we first learned about them, which I think was episode seven. Are the humans still good? And I guess so. Like as soon as Bastian’s connection to them was severed, it seemed like everybody just went back to normal.

00:25:32:23 – 00:25:33:21

Speaker 2

Yeah, I don’t know.

00:25:33:21 – 00:25:57:02

Speaker 1

I feel like I kind of blacked out at that part. Like, I don’t know if it’s just like, yeah, it was. I think it was just like it felt so unimportant in comparison to everything that was already happening. Because it’s like, it totally is important. Don’t get me wrong. Like hundreds of if not hundreds of thousands of people being zombified by technology and nanotechnology is horrifying and awful, and it’s definitely important to figure out whether or not they came back.

00:25:57:02 – 00:26:04:24

Speaker 1

But I think I was just, like, processing so much that I just didn’t even realize that that was like, answered in a very subtle way. Possibly.

00:26:04:24 – 00:26:22:06

Speaker 2

Yeah. I think for me, I just needed a better answer, even if it was like BS being like. And obviously with the way that this episode ended, I understand we weren’t going to get this, but even if it was BS in a little laboratory being like in 3 to 4 weeks, I will have figured out how to properly take out the nanotech like.

00:26:22:06 – 00:26:34:02

Speaker 2

Great. Amazing. I’m good, but it was just kind of strange because I wasn’t sure what the connection. I mean, obviously I knew Bastian had activated them. Does the nanotech still exist? And then I would have to think it does.

00:26:34:02 – 00:27:05:07

Speaker 1

Yeah, I think it probably does. I think I’ll be curious. And I’m hopeful that what they do is address it in season two. I think the good thing knowing that there is a second season, well, one, they’re not actually, that’s not true. We do have Forge and Bishop in the current day present day of Expo 97. So maybe they will address, you know, it clearly had been some time had passed because of, you know, Ford saying he looked for them for weeks so I could see it being a throwaway line between those two guys where one of them’s like, oh, yeah, and all the people who recovered from being a prime sentinel, like, that’s really

00:27:05:07 – 00:27:09:09

Speaker 1

all I need to. Your point is just saying, like, yeah, everybody’s fine.

00:27:09:09 – 00:27:28:17

Speaker 2

Yeah, I just need something brief and then I’m happy because I was like, I’ve really quite concern. We all know this has been a hyper fixation for me with the Prime Sentinels. I need to understand what happens here. So I really would like an answer that needed to happen. And I needed to at least put that out in the world.

00:27:28:17 – 00:27:46:23

Speaker 2

But please, in season two, just just one line it. I just want to know what actually happened to these people. But flipping over to, let’s say Magneto, let’s go, because I started Emmett Self is not obviously the villain of the second half of the episode, although to the humans below it felt like it.

00:27:46:23 – 00:27:50:19

Speaker 1

I was gonna say to the president of the United States, he felt a little differently, apparently.

00:27:50:21 – 00:28:10:02

Speaker 2

Yeah, but really, we have Magneto now. We talked a little last episode about, you know, professor X going into his mind. I know in the blog I talked about the possibility of onslaught coming in season two, which is still a possibility, although it’s definitely would be buried, I think, with what they’ve already set up for season two, I.

00:28:10:02 – 00:28:12:15

Speaker 1

Could see it laying dormant until three actually.

00:28:12:15 – 00:28:31:05

Speaker 2

Yeah, I could well, an actually funny fact is, in the comics it does lie dormant until it eventually is able to become its own being. Yeah. So yes, I could see the same thing. Pushing that aside, we obviously spend a lot of time in Magneto’s mind, and I think it’s really interesting because we’ve talked about this has been Magneto season.

00:28:31:05 – 00:28:52:05

Speaker 2

He has run this season, whether you want to believe that or not. It’s just true. He has simply been the I don’t say protagonist, but he’s been the driving character through everything, through all of his attempts to be better, through surviving dino torture, to being a prisoner again and then obviously trying to go to war against humanity. He’s played the role.

00:28:52:10 – 00:29:00:18

Speaker 2

He’s played all of them. I love the way that they ended this, because I hope it means Magneto actually might be a good guy in the future.

00:29:00:18 – 00:29:15:11

Speaker 1

Yeah, it’s definitely interesting. I think I didn’t maybe I’m just so angry at professor X that I like. I think it kind of clouded how I felt about all of those scenes inside his head, because all I could think about this whole time was how much he was manipulating.

00:29:15:11 – 00:29:16:12

Speaker 2

Magneto through.

00:29:16:13 – 00:29:37:15

Speaker 1

The whole time. And I think part of that is because after last episode, I was like, my guy is crossing lines like he is not the guy that we thought he was, or at least the way that I think growing up, we all were like, professor X is this amazing, benevolent guy. No, he’s a human. And by that I mean he makes mistakes and he crosses lines.

00:29:37:17 – 00:30:07:11

Speaker 1

And I think I came into that this episode with that mindset. And so I didn’t love those scenes inside Magneto’s head because especially after he shatters his psyche and he’s rebuilding Magneto, it just felt like he was like feeding him very specific pieces of information and cherry picking exactly what he wanted him to remember so that he he was remembering a very specific narrative that wasn’t totally false, but wasn’t really the truth either.

00:30:07:11 – 00:30:09:12

Speaker 1

And that made me very uncomfortable.

00:30:09:12 – 00:30:32:12

Speaker 2

Yeah, I agree, even down to not saying who he was, to not have him remember him initially, it definitely felt a little weird. It was interesting to me to go off track for one second, then come back on going into his mind and what it look like. The how tumultuous it was. And what really was intriguing to me was who was inside his mind because, okay, Roeg’s there.

00:30:32:16 – 00:30:55:09

Speaker 2

Listen, I’m throwing that one out. That’s not the most important person that was on that boat. My opinion. And if that’s the only person who saw you weren’t looking hard enough because his two kids, a.k.a. Wanda Pietro Maximoff, were in that boat, and so is Lorna. And this is only important because Lorna is actually or Polaris. You might know her as well.

00:30:55:11 – 00:31:23:16

Speaker 2

She is Magneto’s daughter, another child of his. We have not actually seen her in the OG series, or if we have, they never confirmed that she was Magneto’s daughter, although her presence in his mind clearly probably states that he’s aware of her. So it’s kind of interesting who else was on that boat, but also, again, that he felt like he was surrounded by water that was always trying to come in and ruin him and end him, and the people he loves is on this boat fighting for their lives.

00:31:23:16 – 00:31:33:17

Speaker 2

Just as much. That was very interesting. But to get us back onto the track that we were on, I didn’t like professor X in this episode. I haven’t like professor X since he’s come back.

00:31:33:19 – 00:31:35:04

Speaker 1

Agreed 100%.

00:31:35:04 – 00:31:57:07

Speaker 2

I think he is Magneto’s oldest friend and out of everybody, yes, he regardless of being the one who has the abilities to go into his mind or not, should have been the one to speak to him. Yes, I 100% believe that. However, to your point, I saw him as very manipulative and I saw him as forcing Magneto to try to believe his messaging.

00:31:57:07 – 00:32:22:03

Speaker 2

I don’t want to say that Magneto’s way of going about things is right. I agree with his messaging 100%. If they were to go to war, I would have backed him. But I think at this point they’re desperate and I understand there’s other factors that you have to bring into the conversation. If this just came down to whether I would choose Magneto and his way of whatever he’s planning to do here or nothing else, I choose Magneto.

00:32:22:03 – 00:32:40:23

Speaker 2

However, you have bastion, you have the Prime Sentinels. You have other elements that you must consider, and that’s what kind of changes the story. But I definitely agree. I didn’t like Professor X really trying to get into his brain and make him not remember his own decisions, really, and his own thought process.

00:32:40:23 – 00:33:02:04

Speaker 1

Yeah. I mean, to me it was so icky to watch him try to change Magneto’s entire value system while he was vulnerable. And that was not a good look. I was sitting there and I was like, ooh, I don’t even feel good watching this. Like I’m literally watching you manipulate this dude when he can’t even remember who he is.

00:33:02:06 – 00:33:19:11

Speaker 1

Gross. I’m sorry, but that’s gross. And and we talked about last episode how Scott had a moment of lack of faith. I guess you could call it in professor X, when he watched him attack Magneto’s mind. I can only imagine what Scott would have thought watching him manipulate Magneto at his lowest point.

00:33:19:11 – 00:33:45:23

Speaker 2

Well, especially because last episode he wasn’t sticking to the script because the whole thing was. They knew that he was probably if they couldn’t get Magneto to listen to reason, they knew he probably would have to go into his mind. I think the thing was, and what really with Scott, the moment that frustrated him and really made him see professor X differently was and we keep talking about other factors, it wasn’t just Magneto’s EMP that needed to be undone.

00:33:45:24 – 00:34:11:22

Speaker 2

Undoing that too early brought the Prime Sentinels back, as we saw there were other people’s lives at risk, and I think that was the first time Scott was seeing professor X make almost a selfish decision, because he wasn’t realizing that there are way too many other factors at hand here. And I do agree. If he was in Magneto’s mind there with them, I don’t think he would be happy with how he’s seeing professor X handle situation.

00:34:11:22 – 00:34:32:23

Speaker 2

I also think you have to consider. Let’s go back to the OG series. Professor X is known for going into his students minds and trying to help them through things. Well, we just saw him try to help Magneto through something. So I definitely think from an outsider or I guess from our perspective of actually being inside, well, everybody is outside.

00:34:32:23 – 00:34:49:22

Speaker 2

There’s definitely a level thereof. What have you been telling all your students? Because rogue even said it last time or last episode, I believe when she was saying, you know, we’re more than just your students or something along that line, because that’s true. They’re people, which I don’t think Xavier always remembers.

00:34:49:22 – 00:35:09:00

Speaker 1

Yeah. No, I’m so glad you brought that up, though, because it is important to remember how he goes into their mind. He considers that like treatment, like basically his version of therapy, like therapy with a telepath, which is like invasive and horrible and like, truly, that’s seems like my worst nightmare. But anyway, that’s his version of like, recuperation.

00:35:09:00 – 00:35:18:09

Speaker 1

We actually watch him do it with Sabretooth, unsuccessfully. It doesn’t seem as intrusive with Sabretooth, but at the same time, Sabertooth is kind of an interesting dude.

00:35:18:09 – 00:35:33:09

Speaker 2

He also doesn’t know him as well, which I think is another factor. Yeah, there’s a lot riding on when you have a relationship with somebody, especially if you want to use what you do know about them against them, to get them to change their minds.

00:35:33:09 – 00:35:52:08

Speaker 1

Yeah, no, that’s definitely a good point. And it just I think makes it worse that he’s like using their trust. They’re, you know, relationship against them. I don’t know professor. I hate to say it because he’s such a classic and iconic character. But professor X gives me the IC like he just does.

00:35:52:08 – 00:36:06:05

Speaker 2

No he does. And maybe some of that’s because I keep thinking about what he look like in the OG series. And he was so strange looking at your story. Yeah, like, why couldn’t they animate this bald man properly? Like, it just nothing looked right.

00:36:06:05 – 00:36:15:08

Speaker 1

I’m so sorry. I was thinking the original, like, live action series. I was like, that vendor’s iconic. What is wrong with you? Oh, no, you’re right. He was definitely odd looking in the original.

00:36:15:10 – 00:36:23:17

Speaker 2

He didn’t look right. He honestly, every once in a while they animated him exactly like what? That. Oh, what’s that one version of Squidward? What?

00:36:23:18 – 00:36:26:02

Speaker 1

No, he kind of looks like you.

00:36:26:04 – 00:36:45:03

Speaker 2

It’s like if Q and that, like, oh, there’s a version of Squidward that like, when he looks like all posh and I can’t think of his name, like what he’s called, but for those of you who know SpongeBob, you’re going to understand what I’m talking about. Sometimes he looks like that, and it’s very strange to me, and I think that threw me off from the gecko.

00:36:45:03 – 00:36:50:16

Speaker 2

And then like, he didn’t get better in X-Men 97, like they were like, budget goes to Magneto.

00:36:50:16 – 00:36:51:11

Speaker 1

Literally.

00:36:51:15 – 00:37:11:22

Speaker 2

We got to draw on Xavier in the last few episodes. Crap. Like, it just seemed like that’s how that went. I’m not complaining. Not truly. But yeah, I don’t love him. I hope to see maybe moving forward. They write him a little better again, and I get to kind of feel like, yay, professor X again. But I really do feel and like Magneto a lot more.

00:37:11:22 – 00:37:30:24

Speaker 2

I liked going the different direction with having Magneto being in charge of the X-Men, so I really, I don’t know, I was enjoying the season for that reason. As for Magneto to kind of go back full circle to what I was saying, could we be seeing Magneto be a good guy moving forward? Is that what happens next? Is he choosing the X-Men as family?

00:37:30:24 – 00:37:33:15

Speaker 2

As professor X was trying to explain.

00:37:33:15 – 00:37:54:15

Speaker 1

If I had to go out on a limb, here’s what I’m going to say because he was manipulated. I do think we’re going to get a few episodes where he is a full fledged member. I’m going to cherish and love those episodes, but Magneto is who he is. He’s had the traumas. He’s had, he’s lived the life he’s lived, and his value system is his value system.

00:37:54:15 – 00:38:10:09

Speaker 1

Regardless of whatever professor X did inside his mind. And at one point he’s going to return to his true essence, his most authentic self, and he’s going to realize what the heck happened inside his mind, and he’s not going to be happy.

00:38:10:11 – 00:38:33:17

Speaker 2

I actually think it’s down to where we ended this episode. We ended this episode in the perfect way to allow Magneto to be part of the team. In another time, there will come a day where they have to come back to the present, and I think that’s actually when we’ll see it. When he has to return. And he also has to face everything that’s happened because it’s not lost on me.

00:38:33:19 – 00:38:53:21

Speaker 2

The irony of the situation, they have a literal magneto protocol in place for him, rebuilding that essentially. And on top of that, he’s the one who saved it. Like they brought it down. The humans brought it down. Magneto was the one who saved everybody. The irony is not lost. But that’s not how that story is going to be told.

00:38:53:21 – 00:39:10:02

Speaker 2

And so I think him having to come back to once again be what they called him at the very beginning. He’s a terrorist. He’s the villain. He’s the bad guy. I think that might be the moment, because right now it’s going to be all like sing song butterflies when they could be a team together in a different time.

00:39:10:02 – 00:39:12:10

Speaker 2

But that’s when nobody knows who Magneto it’s.

00:39:12:10 – 00:39:38:08

Speaker 1

Yeah, I think it’s actually I wouldn’t be surprised if it very much parallels the larger conversation of this season, which is, oh my gosh, mutants like professor X martyr. He died. That’s awful. And there’s a sense of unity, right? We saw that. We talked about it in the first few episodes. Then OSHA happens. Then there’s this almost level of fatigue for sympathy against mutants, as if, you know, a genocide could make you fatigued against empathy for a group of people.

00:39:38:10 – 00:39:42:22

Speaker 1

Gross. But it’s true. That’s what we watched happen. And then professor X comes back.

00:39:42:22 – 00:39:44:01

Speaker 2

And he lied.

00:39:44:01 – 00:40:05:24

Speaker 1

It’s revealed that they all lied. He didn’t die. So that whole idea of unity was a lie. This is the exact same scenario. The idea of him believing in Xavier’s mission is a lie. They’re probably going to face some horrible stuff. Then he’s going to have to come back and it’s going to be revealed what the lie was, because he’s going to recognize, wait, I wasn’t with you this whole time.

00:40:06:05 – 00:40:20:24

Speaker 1

You’re not my family. You’re my freaking enemies. Look at the news coverage. Look at the newspapers. We’re not on the same side again. Xavier’s going to get caught in a lie, and it’s going to cause a freaking world war. Because this man is a liar. Ruh.

00:40:21:00 – 00:40:42:12

Speaker 2

Yeah, I definitely think it’ll be an interesting dynamic. And I like that they’re driving the show possibly through these two because I think it’s very important to do so. They are the most prevalent, I would say, because they really start it all, but it would be wrong of us if we didn’t leave enough ample time to go over the last few moments.

00:40:42:12 – 00:41:00:13

Speaker 2

So right before we do that, I just want to say cameo fast man. Daredevil, cloak and dagger to Shaka Cop Iron Man, who both were protecting the president seemed a little weird on that one. They’re never on the same side of that coin, so that felt a little off. Who else am I missing? Oh, Doctor.

00:41:00:13 – 00:41:10:18

Speaker 1

Strange well, we saw Peter and Mary Jane from Spider-Man The Animated Series. Okay, I’m not going to lie. Cloak and dagger was my favorite. I was so excited when I saw them.

00:41:10:20 – 00:41:23:13

Speaker 2

Yeah, they were at first. I’m glad they showed them. I think twice because the first time I didn’t know who they were. But yeah, I did. I actually didn’t peg Peter Parker, but I did see MJ, not red hair.

00:41:23:13 – 00:41:24:12

Speaker 1

It’s eye catching.

00:41:24:12 – 00:41:42:19

Speaker 2

Yeah. I was like, wait a second, I know that outfit. Like that’s like that. That’s what came to mind. But yeah, she was there. Who else? We already talked about the children. Magneto on the boat. Sauron. Moore made an appearance as Sauron and as Mr. Fantastic. So those are both there. We saw quite a few mutants, including Psylocke.

00:41:42:19 – 00:42:01:03

Speaker 2

We also saw Omega Red make another appearance. He already made a cameo already in the show, and last but not least, another one we saw make a cameo before, but make one now is Silver Samurai, which is interesting that we’ve now seen him twice because he is related to Wolverine. He is a Wolverine villain, so let’s keep that in our minds.

00:42:01:03 – 00:42:09:05

Speaker 2

Get better. Logan white guy did I not say that? I was like, he’s going to miss the best battle. And then he did. Like, we saw that coming.

00:42:09:05 – 00:42:12:03

Speaker 1

He would love to rip some bastion to shreds.

00:42:12:03 – 00:42:16:13

Speaker 2

Oh, he would have been living his best life. Yeah. Also going to wake up. Where is he?

00:42:16:15 – 00:42:19:14

Speaker 1

Yeah. We don’t actually see him at the end, do we know?

00:42:19:14 – 00:42:21:18

Speaker 2

And I’m pretty sure he was up there with them all.

00:42:21:18 – 00:42:22:23

Speaker 1

He was on the asteroid?

00:42:22:23 – 00:42:28:08

Speaker 2

Yeah, the only ones. Well, Jubilee and Sun spotted on Earth, aren’t they? Hold on. That got fuzzy.

00:42:28:10 – 00:42:37:05

Speaker 1

Yeah, they were on Earth. But then I was confused because I was reading an article and it was like the only X-Men still on Earth are Bishop and Ford. And I was like, but what about Jubilee?

00:42:37:05 – 00:42:42:15

Speaker 2

Which can’t be true, though, because now that I think about it, we never saw them in the other times. Right. So they’re on.

00:42:42:15 – 00:42:43:18

Speaker 1

Earth, but like, what are they doing?

00:42:43:18 – 00:42:48:14

Speaker 2

Unless they’re not being considered full X-Men? Because they’re like the B-team youngsters.

00:42:48:16 – 00:42:51:07

Speaker 1

I think they proved themselves. They went up against bastion.

00:42:51:07 – 00:43:07:18

Speaker 2

Yeah, I think so too. But we could go and do a whole other episode with like, Who’s Who and Where and everything else. We won’t do that right now. Let’s get into the ending. We could go into Gene and Scott. I’m going to be honest, and this is up to you, but I’m going to be honest, that was my least favorite part of the ending.

00:43:07:18 – 00:43:10:17

Speaker 2

I really didn’t care. I was like, congratulations, you found Nathan in the future.

00:43:10:17 – 00:43:34:07

Speaker 1

It was. But I’m going to info dump super fast. Rapid fire. That’s fine. So clan a scan. Interesting. We are now in the future. They are a group that fights against apocalypse in the future. So fun fact, they’re actually led by Rachel Summers, another summers child, but this one is Scott and Jean’s daughter from another timeline. So that’s Rachel.

00:43:34:07 – 00:43:54:14

Speaker 1

So she’s kind of with her brother. Sort of. They are big people who keep the sacred timeline going. I saw that in an article and I actually almost died. I was like, we’re back to this cool, great sacred timeline. My favorite topic. But yeah, so that is Clan Gascony and Mother Gascony. Definitely interesting what I thought was most fascinating.

00:43:54:14 – 00:44:08:07

Speaker 1

And this kind of goes through all pieces. I think we’re going to talk about today is the article mentioned. Oh, we’re now seeing apocalypse in three different time periods. Hello to our main theme of season two. Welcome to the board.

00:44:08:07 – 00:44:27:12

Speaker 2

Yeah I’m glad you just info dumped because when I was doing my research I was only looking at when they went to the past and obviously I didn’t have to do my research for the med credit because I did that research five episodes ago. But yeah, I actually I was only thinking surface level on that one, thinking, oh, cool, they’re with Nathan.

00:44:27:12 – 00:44:52:15

Speaker 2

They found Nathan in the future. I’m super glad you kind of delved into that a little bit more. And also for any of those who also weren’t as aware, because that’s a very good point to sit there and they’ll say, oh, they actually all tied to apocalypse, which I didn’t know. So that’s cool. I thought personally, the really cool one, because again, I was expecting the make credit, not necessarily to make credit, but I was expecting it was the ending with them all going back in time to Egypt.

00:44:52:15 – 00:45:11:02

Speaker 2

Now, there’s a lot of reasons for this one, so let’s get into it. So the guy that they kind of quote unquote save at the end is actually end Sabine or he says his name, they call him Noor for short everywhere I’ve been seeing. So I will refer to him as nor he is apocalypse, but he’s like baby apocalypse.

00:45:11:02 – 00:45:33:06

Speaker 2

He’s apocalypse before he becomes apocalypse. There’s a lot of lore here, but I want to say the most important thing is, is he exists in Egypt during Robert Tut’s rule. And if that sounds familiar, my friends, that would be because that’s a King variant that goes back to ancient Egypt and the Fantastic Four eventually also end up there fighting him.

00:45:33:06 – 00:45:53:13

Speaker 2

And actually apocalypse fights him as well. And funny enough, or I should say, naw, he’s not apocalypse at this point. King aka Rama Tut actually goes back initially because he knows apocalypse is one of the most powerful mutants by his time, and he goes back to try and raised him as a child to pretty much be his successor.

00:45:53:14 – 00:46:19:04

Speaker 2

This doesn’t go as planned for him, nor tries to eventually kill him. It’s a whole thing. He flees back to the future and then, nor goes on. The more of his mutant abilities come out during all of this, and eventually he becomes apocalypse. But he lives through all of this time, so I’m not going to bore you with all of that, but him being in Egypt is probably the most important part of the entire story and everything that happens while he’s in Egypt.

00:46:19:04 – 00:46:42:06

Speaker 1

Well, I went deep on clan Gascony and you went deep on baby Apocalypse. I did not realize the connection to Rama tut man. Ancient Egypt. What a time. I wonder how much this relates to like the gods of Egypt that we’ve also seen. Like obviously it’s not going to be the mark specters, but like they probably have their idols or I forget what they call them.

00:46:42:12 – 00:47:00:12

Speaker 1

They’re people who they inhabit or give powers to. So just, I don’t know, I feel like a lot of streams are crossing in ancient Egypt or just like in Egypt in general. And so I think that’s super interesting. It makes me wonder, like, are they ever going to cross this over? Because there’s just too much at this point?

00:47:00:12 – 00:47:26:21

Speaker 1

Yeah, that just feels right. And like the idea of like sacred timelines and like all of this stuff, I’m like, oh, you are danger close. And not that I don’t want it to tie into live action. It would just make my brain hurt to try to meld it in at this point. Yeah, but like, they’re getting dangerously close to really big vocabulary or important vocabulary and times and places and people that we have studied extensively on this show.

00:47:26:23 – 00:47:35:07

Speaker 2

Oh yeah. Trust me. I read Rama and I looked him up because I was like, we can’t be talking about the same guy. I’m thinking we’re talking about.

00:47:35:07 – 00:47:37:00

Speaker 1

There’s got to be a different Robert Hunt.

00:47:37:02 – 00:47:55:18

Speaker 2

Yeah. I was like, it has to be somebody else. And obviously Google confirmed I was correct. I keep this in mind, guys. We saw him at the end of Quantum Mania. Now obviously Kang and that whole direction not really sure that’s even happening fully anymore. But we did see him at the end of Quantum Mania. Like, this isn’t just a random variant.

00:47:55:23 – 00:48:15:19

Speaker 2

No, like this is one of the ones they brought in. And we specific saw. So it’s very interesting to me that they already have this past with each other, but that were back in that exact time frame essentially. That will be very interesting to me to see to your point, how they kind of walk that line because they’re getting very close to prevalent stuff, too.

00:48:15:19 – 00:48:41:13

Speaker 2

It’s not just, maybe reference to something that happened in phase two. Oh, maybe reference to something that happened early phase four. No, this is like actually current could happen in the next few years if we continue the Kang storyline like this is prevalent. Also, now that I’m talking out loud, let’s remember this show was probably already mostly done before all the Kang stuff or all the Jonathan major stuff.

00:48:41:19 – 00:48:54:21

Speaker 2

So if this was going into any sort of direction of overlap, they probably kept it as is. They probably weren’t too worried about sitting there and redoing all of it when they weren’t sure what was happening with Jonathan Majors. So I’m just going to throw that out there as well.

00:48:54:21 – 00:49:06:19

Speaker 1

Two things coming off of that one, I think it’s also important to recognize and you pointed this out, the Fantastic Four involved, obviously, if you’ve listened to our most recent sister scoop, you know that we are fully.

00:49:06:21 – 00:49:07:05

Speaker 2

On.

00:49:07:05 – 00:49:17:22

Speaker 1

Our way. I mean, we all know it, but like now we’re starting to get real casting information and tons of stuff about the Fantastic Four. So they’re coming. And we think for possibly another universe based on the rumors that are coming out.

00:49:17:22 – 00:49:25:13

Speaker 2

But I also want to point out there clearly has to be a Fantastic Four in this universe because morph turned into one of them. Yep.

00:49:25:14 – 00:49:43:03

Speaker 1

Yes. So it all ties together. I then all that to be said, it makes me wonder if, knowing that we’re getting a full live action X-Men, they’re going to go the Miles Morales route, which is watching us go from animation to live action with this exact.

00:49:43:03 – 00:49:46:04

Speaker 2

Team, because time jumps are clearly not a problem.

00:49:46:04 – 00:50:02:00

Speaker 1

Time jumps are not a problem. I think everybody is pretty much landed in the camp that we’re going to be having the X-Men from a different universe come in, not our universe. Though we do know that we have mutants. So I don’t know that I’m hundred percent that camp, but that seems to be the prevalent theory right now.

00:50:02:02 – 00:50:17:01

Speaker 1

I could see them, Miles Morales seeing it and going from the characters that we know and love in animation and bringing them directly into live action. Look, if that happens two times in a few years, I’m all here for it because these animated characters are great.

00:50:17:06 – 00:50:36:24

Speaker 2

Across the board. I do think it would be amazing. I think my only thing is they’ve done so many. And don’t get me wrong, X-Men have a lot of really important and iconic storylines. However, they’ve done so many already in the show, I feel like it limits them on the big screen there. I’m thinking even down to like, the Phoenix.

00:50:36:24 – 00:51:03:01

Speaker 2

I mean, I know it’s been done already on the big screen twice. Yeah, but never done. Well, let’s be real. And so to actually, maybe see that one come to fruition, the Madeline Pryor stuff, even a lot of what we saw this season, I think there’s so much that I’d love to see on the big screen. And I think if you bring this team directly in and you say, these are our X-Men, like they lived all this already and we’re not going to see that, that would be weird if it came around again.

00:51:03:05 – 00:51:14:22

Speaker 2

So that’s kind of my only thing is I would like to see Marvel really do the X-Men stories well. And in order to do that, there’s a lot that I’ve already been told in this show that I don’t want to have to avoid.

00:51:14:22 – 00:51:33:01

Speaker 1

Yeah, I definitely think that’s fair. I mean, we did talk about this being kind of like your primer for all things X-Men. So that is a good point. I guess I’m just if they’re gonna start to bring in stuff from the MCU, I’m just trying to start to think about like, how does this fit in? Maybe it is just another universe in the what if universe, and that’s fine.

00:51:33:01 – 00:51:52:04

Speaker 1

We did have The watcher. It’s all good, but is there a more tangible connection between the two? Like is that possible? And so good point. I’m just toss them some stuff out there. You never know. I think Comic-Con this year truly like not to get off topic is going to be insane. I think with Agatha coming out, it’s Deadpool weekend.

00:51:52:09 – 00:52:08:01

Speaker 1

We’re going to get lots of trailers for the four movies coming out next year. I wouldn’t be surprised if they unveil maybe not a cast. I don’t think they’re there yet, but if they unveil that we have a date for X-Men, we know when they’re coming. Like, I think that’s this year’s move, like I really do.

00:52:08:02 – 00:52:12:00

Speaker 2

Well, I mean, they’re already looking at Coogler to possibly do it.

00:52:12:00 – 00:52:13:09

Speaker 1

Is there any one better.

00:52:13:09 – 00:52:18:15

Speaker 2

Because they confirmed that he’s going to come back for Black Panther three, and they’ve been eyeing him for X-Men.

00:52:18:15 – 00:52:22:01

Speaker 1

Just pick your best, best director and go. Period. The end. I’m fine.

00:52:22:01 – 00:52:25:19

Speaker 2

With that. So just putting that out there since we’re on that topic, it’s the.

00:52:25:19 – 00:52:29:16

Speaker 1

All star movie. Get the all star director. I mean, has Coogler missed? I don’t think so.

00:52:29:16 – 00:52:52:14

Speaker 2

Well, right. So I don’t know, just putting it out in the universe. But on to the last part of this that we can fit into this episode for the finale of season one of X-Men 97, my fave, because I’ve been saying this crap. If you’ve been reading our blog, you have been with me on this for ever. It feels like five weeks in the comics.

00:52:52:14 – 00:53:15:02

Speaker 2

It doesn’t quite happen like how it’s happening, but in the comics, Gambit actually becomes one of Apocalypse’s Four Horsemen. He actually becomes semi ironically, the Horseman of Death, and he is with apocalypse up until the team eventually takes down apocalypse, and then he actually ends up with Mr. Sinister, so he kind of has quite the road ripped to Mr. Sinister, by the way.

00:53:15:06 – 00:53:19:15

Speaker 1

I know I was like, okay, bye. I guess we’re done now. No more kidnaping Jean for him.

00:53:19:15 – 00:53:36:08

Speaker 2

Yeah. I was like, is this the end or is he just going to steal more? Jean’s like, what’s happening? But yeah, so TBD on where this could go in that direction. But I say all this to say as soon as Gambit died, everybody who’s in my gambit group on Facebook, we were like, oh, and everybody was freaking out.

00:53:36:08 – 00:53:57:03

Speaker 2

And immediately somebody was like, guys, wait, this is what I think is going to happen. And then I started doing my digging, and I went into this whole story, and I’m not going to bore you all with it, but essentially, this has been the gambit people’s like thing ever since he’s died. And they pretty much confirmed it in the mid credit here because obviously they don’t ever actually show apocalypse.

00:53:57:03 – 00:53:58:14

Speaker 2

We all know it’s apocalypse.

00:53:58:14 – 00:53:59:18

Speaker 1

The voice is iconic.

00:53:59:18 – 00:54:20:00

Speaker 2

Yeah. But also like welcome back. Look where you’ve been. Like I just like he just shows up I don’t know where he’s been but he comes and you could see him digging through the rubble. And the thing that he picks up and dust off is one of gambits iconic playing cards. And it’s in that moment that they confirm apocalypse is going to bring him back.

00:54:20:00 – 00:54:39:00

Speaker 2

He also has the ominous words of, like, so many dead or something like that, or so much death, and you’re just like, oh, oh, I see what you did there. So I cannot wait another way of confirming again apocalypse. Even though we’ve been talking about the possibility of apocalypse being season two for a little while now. So exciting.

00:54:39:00 – 00:54:49:24

Speaker 2

And also for me, so excited to get Gambit finally coming back in season two. Eventually he also tries to kill rogue like multiple times. Just an FYI. Sorry, I just had to throw that out there. I mean.

00:54:49:24 – 00:55:08:02

Speaker 1

That tracks when I was reading articles, reading up on him, becoming the Horseman of Death and all of that good stuff they were talking about. What a better way to absolutely put the X-Men off kilter than to show them a friendly face who is no longer friendly, someone they are still mourning. It’s going to be an emotional roller coaster.

00:55:08:02 – 00:55:34:03

Speaker 1

I think the other thing that I want to talk about really quick, because you mentioned and we’ve talked about it a little bit, as we’ve discussed the hints at season two. Apocalypse is in everything. Everything comes back to apocalypse. And so some of the articles I was reading were talking about maybe going into the Age of Apocalypse, where basically it’s a totally different universe, where Charles was never around, and we actually sort of got a hint of this in a past episode.

00:55:34:05 – 00:55:57:10

Speaker 1

But Charles was never around Magneto. He was in charge. He was the guy, which we kind of got this season. So it kind of brings together a few different elements that we’ve already seen, but that could be really, really fun to see. An entire Age of Apocalypse with Gambit as the Horseman of Death, and they’re all out here dealing with the grief, but then also having to fight, you know, someone that they love.

00:55:57:12 – 00:56:15:03

Speaker 1

And the articles we’re also talking about, you know what a perfect time to wipe apocalypse off the map, then to do it before he’s even fully at strength and take him out in ancient Egypt. So there are so many opportunities here. I think season two, I mean, we loved season one, obviously ten out of ten best show they’ve ever done, hands down.

00:56:15:03 – 00:56:20:05

Speaker 1

No question. I can see a path where they top it in season two easily.

00:56:20:05 – 00:56:42:00

Speaker 2

I just think X-Men have the storylines that just allow for good TV and also good animated TV. I just feel like it works so well because everything’s so wild. But like in animation, you don’t have to think twice about it. You just like, make sense? Like how Jean just stole all of Mr. Sensors mutant genes out of him and made him a little shriveled potato like.

00:56:42:00 – 00:57:03:13

Speaker 2

Makes sense. You know, I had a question that I just was like, yup, that works. You go, Jean, like, you finally give it back to that man. And so I agree, I think we’re on a path to continue topping it, because they do have these awesome storylines and they do tie so easily into each other. The medium works so well here.

00:57:03:16 – 00:57:21:18

Speaker 2

It really does. It just tells the story in a way you just can’t beat it. And I can’t stop gushing about this show because it’s been an amazing ride. I’m upset that I have to wait for season two because it’s maybe next year, because theoretically it’s like close to done is what it kind of sounded like. Maybe next year we get it.

00:57:21:18 – 00:57:31:02

Speaker 2

I don’t want to even wait until next year, though. I’m very sad, but I loved it from start to finish. I want to watch it again, I probably will, it was so good.

00:57:31:02 – 00:57:39:07

Speaker 1

Yeah, I mean, we’ve talked about this a million times. We are Avengers girls. Avengers are our bread and butter. But I X-Men, welcome to the.

00:57:39:07 – 00:58:09:16

Speaker 2

Club I know, I know, and it all started because we were binging the like the original series. But now here I am. And I’m like, actually, I know so much. I honestly, from comic lore, I probably know more about the X-Men at this point than the Avengers, because if you think about the amount of characters we had in The Avengers, don’t get me wrong, there are a lot of mutants, but I’m thinking about the amount of characters that we’ve had to do research on individually that, yeah, they tie to each other because there’s 9 million of them.

00:58:09:18 – 00:58:24:15

Speaker 2

Of course, they’re going to tie to to some other character. But then when you look at the X-Men, so much ties together a lot easier because they’re written as a group a lot. And so it’s so much easier to sit there and be like, oh, this leads to this, and this leads to this, and oh, I get it.

00:58:24:15 – 00:58:36:05

Speaker 2

I see how this goes and it just makes so much more sense that I genuinely feel like as far as if I was ever asked to give a summary of the X-Men, I could do that a lot better than I could of The Avengers.

00:58:36:05 – 00:58:54:05

Speaker 1

Yeah, I think that inner circle of like, consistent characters for the X-Men really helps you. Like, I can track Scott Summers from childhood through the children he has with Jean versus like, okay, here’s Captain America, and he sort of semi ties to Iron Man, who sort of semi ties to the hood, and then.

00:58:54:05 – 00:59:07:04

Speaker 2

He dies four times and then he’s not captain America because Captain America is somebody else now. Yeah. Which don’t get me wrong, that happens in X-Men. But like it just that’s it’s very confusing. Especially people who wear the same mantle.

00:59:07:04 – 00:59:09:13

Speaker 1

Yeah. Like Black Panther two. It’s another one.

00:59:09:13 – 00:59:10:07

Speaker 2

Will cap.

00:59:10:07 – 00:59:11:09

Speaker 1

Black Widow even. Yeah.

00:59:11:09 – 00:59:24:01

Speaker 2

There’s multiple black widows. There’s multiple types of Iron Man. There’s like so many people. I mean, look at the entire Hulk family. Let’s be real. There’s like 9 million hulks out there by the end of it all. Oh, all the marvels and marvels.

00:59:24:01 – 00:59:27:11

Speaker 1

I can’t or no dash. Because those are different characters.

00:59:27:11 – 00:59:30:23

Speaker 2

Two L’s or only one because those are also two different characters.

00:59:31:02 – 00:59:36:03

Speaker 1

I can’t every time I get into that universe, I just my brain shuts down and it’s like, why are we doing this?

00:59:36:03 – 00:59:47:13

Speaker 2

A great example, though, of people who wear essentially the same mantle, but yet there’s about eight different versions of them, and they’re all different people. But really quick we have a confirmed Black Panther now in X-Men 97.

00:59:47:13 – 00:59:47:24

Speaker 1

I know.

00:59:47:24 – 00:59:52:18

Speaker 2

But it’s not to Charles, it’s Taika. Which is interesting because storm marries T’Challa.

00:59:52:18 – 01:00:08:22

Speaker 1

Yeah, I mean, it could be, we don’t know because he’s wearing the mantle the whole time. And I think we’ve seen actually Black Panther before. We saw him in the original series. I think it was actually during the asteroid M, original asteroid M, I think we saw him, but what I will say is we don’t know how old to Shaka is.

01:00:08:22 – 01:00:28:10

Speaker 1

And if you think about it, to Shaka was king, but not Black Panther in civil war. So it could be that he’s getting to a place where he’s going to hang up the Black Panther mantle, give it to T’Challa, remain king until he either dies or passes it along. I’m not sure if they have to die in what Conda in order to pass along the crown.

01:00:28:10 – 01:00:33:11

Speaker 1

I’m just not sure what their politics are like. But he could remain king, but not Black Panther.

01:00:33:11 – 01:00:42:12

Speaker 2

Yeah, it’s kind of weird because the timelines all off in the show. Yeah, like all our heroes are alive and thriving in the 90s, so it’s definitely strange.

01:00:42:16 – 01:01:07:06

Speaker 1

This has been a really great episode, a great series, the best we’ve gotten to cover in terms of TV by far since we’ve been a show. And this has been fun. We have some really exciting X-Men related episodes coming up. The CD is going to be able to tell you a little bit more about, but make sure that you’re subscribing on your podcast platform of choice so that you get notified and know and can reach us as soon as we release a new episode every week.

01:01:07:06 – 01:01:28:04

Speaker 1

For your listening pleasure. You can also check out our website, which is our central hub for everything related to the show. And as Katie mentioned a few times throughout this episode, it is also the spot where you can find our blog. There’s a lot of really good supplemental research and additional resources, mainly Caitlin’s research for you to check out on the blog, which can help just fill in a little bit of gaps.

01:01:28:04 – 01:01:38:02

Speaker 1

Things that we may not have gotten the chance to talk about or research before we recorded definitely end up in the blog. So a really, really good supplement to our weekly episodes.

01:01:38:02 – 01:01:55:07

Speaker 2

You guys can also give us a follow on Twitter at Sass assembled pod and Instagram and threads at sisters assembled. You can also subscribe to our YouTube channel, where we do our weekly Sister Scoop marvel news segments. And also all our episodes are up there as well. So go ahead and find us at Sisters Assembled on there as well.

01:01:55:07 – 01:02:12:22

Speaker 2

And as T was kind of alluding to, we’re not ending our X-Men coverage here, we are going right into some fan castings that we’re going to be doing for the next few weeks. We’re going to chunk them down to three characters for each episode, where we’re going to bring to the table about 2 to 3 different people we think could be casted in it.

01:02:13:03 – 01:02:37:21

Speaker 2

We are also going to have friend of the pod and guest host every once in a while. Dave is on to join us for those. So we’re super excited and we hope you guys are as well. And as always, right here, right now. Marvel just blew your mind. So let’s talk about it.