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Speaker 1

Hello. Hello and welcome back to Let’s Talk: Marvel Fan Theories, The podcast. Today we are going to be diving right into Loki episode one.

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Speaker 2

Now I really hope this goes without saying, but these will be spoilers if you have not watched the first episode of Loki, Please, please, please, please, please. And this can sound weird. Turn this off.

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Speaker 1

To stop right here. Turn it off. Go watch and then come back.

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Speaker 2

Yes, come back. We want you to come back. But don’t watch it right now. So this will have spoilers. Obviously, the episode has aired. At this point

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Speaker 3

You’re in the nicest of ways.

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Speaker 2

So the spoiler ban only lasts for, I believe, 48 hours. So watch yourself. If you still haven’t kept up with it, get to it. Watch it before you go online, before you listen to us podcast.

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Speaker 1

All right, let’s dive in. So.

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Speaker 2

Oh, my God.

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Speaker 1

Initial reactions. Katie, go for it.

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Speaker 3

Okay. Loki is one of my favorite characters. Is so much happened in this episode that I just my main two things is the whole thing where they’re talking.

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Speaker 2

About there’s one main timeline that’s a lot to try and comprehend, and so I’m sure we’ll dig deeper into that in a few seconds minutes. My other thing is, while I kind. 

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Speaker 3

Of respect it to see his dad, I really didn’t. And it’s been a while since I watched Infinity War to try and because I mean, I lose Bucky and Loki in that movie. No, I lose Wanda in three fourths of them. Oh. So I really wasn’t expecting that. I was kind of crying a little.

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Speaker 2

Bit during it. I won’t lie, but those were my initial first impressions. I think it’s good. It’s a little slow, but I think each of the episodes so far have been slow. I know you disagree with me. No, I mean, I agree.

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Speaker 1

I think all first episodes have been a little slow. I think Marvel knows they’ve got us chomping at the bit so they feel like they need to. You know, I think with the exception of Falcon Winter Soldier in that amazing action scene with Sam in the first episode, they don’t really feel like they need to get us right from the get go because they know whether or not we find it a little slow.

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Speaker 1

We’re going to watch it from beginning to end and probably multiple times. So I don’t begrudge them for that. You know, it was slow like the others, but I mean, it’s I’m sure it’s going to ramp up and we’re going to go out and like, yeah, I.

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Speaker 2

Know, I completely know it’s going to ramp up. And I think this one brings back the whole, Oh my goodness, I’m confused.

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Speaker 1

From Wandavision Wandavision vibes from.

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Speaker 2

The first episode. I remember watching the first two episodes of Wandavision Now this, the first episode of Loki, and it’s the same vibe of like, I loved it, but I don’t know what I just watched.

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Speaker 3

I really don’t know what’s going. 

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Speaker 2

On because I do, but I don’t. So to quite honestly try and dive right into it, I say we talk about this whole main timeline thing.

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Speaker 1

Yeah, I mean, I think that was the biggest.

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Speaker 3

Because what about Endgame? Let’s see. I mean, they are.

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Speaker 1

In my opinion, trying to put rules and parameters on the free for all that was engaged.

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Speaker 2

And I want to, before this thought decides to leave my mind touch on something you said in the last podcast which I really just thought about You asked about what? About the timelines and time travel and the multiverse. Well, they essentially just said they’re the same thing. Yeah, anything that is not in the correct timeline, which I keep.

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Speaker 2

What is, what do they call it?

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Speaker 1

Variants.

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Speaker 2

No, no, no, no, no, no. Those are the oh, the timeline, the actual it’s like doesn’t start with an ass.

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Speaker 1

I need to get, I need to get like a Loki dictionary or something because I feel like they threw so many terms at us. 

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Speaker 2

I feel like it says with an ass and I can’t think of it like the security know.

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Speaker 1

Oh, the sacred timeline.

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Speaker 3

Yes. I thought you were talking about the.

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Speaker 1

Variant.

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Speaker 3

Time. No, no, no, no.

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Speaker 2

I don’t care about that. I understand. No, but pretty much from what I’ve understood from that really weird kind of like eighties nineties cartoon thing. 

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Speaker 3

That was really hot. So that the sacred.

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Speaker 2

Timeline, anything that is not the variants are essentially a multiverse.

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Speaker 1

Yeah.

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Speaker 3

That’s what I got to but I don’t do science well, so I don’t either.

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Speaker 2

So I guess like looking at in the long run, obviously we know that Wanda opens the multiverse, so essentially she screws up time, which I guess also makes sense with Doctor Strange considering he holds the time. Stone Or at least, well, no, he. 

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Speaker 1

We don’t see the time.

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Speaker 2

So we aren’t the stones destroyed all of hold up.

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Speaker 1

How did Thanos get the time stone to begin. 

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Speaker 2

With the first time.

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Speaker 1

Oh, they.

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Speaker 2

Gave it to him because he was gonna kill Tony and Infinity War. Then when he got the second time, they had already gotten it. They took it from the ancient one during the Battle of New York, who, by the way.

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Speaker 1

Can we just roll? We’re just going to roll back to this whole sacred timeline thing for a second. She knew about it. She was the one who explained the little variant timelines, right? Yeah, but no one.

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Speaker 2

Knew was that that was what she was saying, in. 

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Speaker 1

Essence. No. Like, she may not know that the TVA is a thing, but she definitely understands the multiverse in a way that no other characters does. So to have her institutional knowledge lost is definitely going to be a detriment moving forward. So I think we lost a lot of characters who understood the world at large, those mentor characters to a lot of our original event.

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Speaker 1

But I think. 

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Speaker 2

We’re moving into that, that the next phase are eventually going to be mentors of themselves. I mean, look at Strange is beyond full of wisdom. You know, he’s extremely smart and, you know, I trust the man with my life. Like, I don’t know. I love I love Spidey, but like, would I trust him with my life?

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Speaker 3

I feel like he makes some things up for the process.

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Speaker 2

Strange. No, I trust him. 

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Speaker 1

So I feel calm and collected. 

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Speaker 2

Surgeon vibe. Yeah. He knows what he’s doing, so I don’t know, but I guess that’s what I understood of it. So now the multiverse of madness is essentially going to be the mess of the timeline getting completely messed up, which means. 

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Speaker 1

Where the freak is the TVA. Also, this means this show is incredibly important to that movie. 

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Speaker 2

You both would have been out anyway. 

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Speaker 1

But I’m just saying there might be some setup. 

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Speaker 2

Well, there has to be because they’re going to have to. 

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Speaker 3

The side of my brain feels like it’s like over eating. My phone’s been acting up lately. I feel like my phone at this very like it vibrates, can’t pick up the phone call kind of thing. Like not to worry about. 

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Speaker 2

No, because she’s going to create multiple multiverses to get her. 

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Speaker 3

Okay, but wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I don’t want to make this about Wandavision, but she loses. 

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Speaker 2

Her kids, she hears them at the end. Everyone was like, they’re in a multiverse, so they’re somewhere on a different timeline. But her kids are kind of theoretically aren’t real, but are real, like their souls that aren’t really like real because she kind of can’t have a baby with like a microwave like that. 

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Speaker 1

Somebody paid attention to this. 

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Speaker 3

Yeah. I’m just so, like, the essence of her children is a little confusing. Anyway, so then she hears their. 

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Speaker 2

Voices at the very, very end of Wandavision and everyone was like, Oh, it’s a multiverse, but it’s a multiverse. It’s just. 

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Speaker 3

Timelines that. 

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Speaker 1

Are not for a second. What if Wanda’s already in an alternate timeline? 

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Speaker 2

She could be. 

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Speaker 1

And what she’s hearing is the sacred timeline, and her children were always supposed to be. 

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Speaker 2

I think it’s so hard because she you’re doing all of this like the whole time. And now I’m trying to understand that the time is the multiverse. But so was she supposed to create the hex? 

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Speaker 1

What if the hex was the alternate timeline was a variant. 

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Speaker 2

But wouldn’t they have come for her or tried and said, What is that weird weirdo? Hayward Oh, he was the worst.

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Speaker 1

Okay, wait, we got to go back to Loki because I think what this show is telling me is that Steven, Mr. Stephen Rogers, was meant to live his life with Peggy, and that’s why they never went back for him. 

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Speaker 2

Either that or as I know I brought up right when the show ended, I said it to you What if they’re giving him back the time that he would have been in the ice? Like what if that actually wasn’t his original timeline that he was going to go down? Because no offense, but like, he didn’t need to go down the thing and I I’m. 

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Speaker 3

Not going to lie like that’s one of the biggest thing that always bothers me about his story is of you really didn’t need to go. 

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Speaker 2

Down the plane in ice or at least could have downed it and jumped out of it as it was going down. Like, I just I’m sorry. 

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Speaker 3

Whatever easier he was older. 

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Speaker 2

You would have lived whatever. But unless they kind of just let him go in because maybe that was originally his story. Like you said. And actually being in the ice weirdly wasn’t or I. 

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Speaker 1

Just think the.

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Speaker 2

Whole thing I don’t know. I don’t know. 

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Speaker 1

I I’m choosing to believe the whole thing was his destiny. Like her whole thing where he’s where love and just just hear me out for a second where Loki say, Oh, well, you should talk about the Avengers. Like they were definitely going back in time and her whole, like the judge and woman basically says, But yeah, they were supposed to do that. 

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Speaker 1

So maybe Steven was Steve Rogers Sorry, we’re on a first name basis. 

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Speaker 3

I think. 

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Speaker 1

Maybe Steven was supposed to go. 

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Speaker 2

Back.

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Speaker 1

It was always supposed to go back in time and live. The life would have lived as a marvel, man. 

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Speaker 2

I guess it’s just hard because I know that they said they took this out of Cannon, the Agent Carter Show. But like knowing it exists and what came out of it, that she was married to another man. 

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Speaker 1

She was okay. I watched the show. She was not. 

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Speaker 2

Actually we’re not married, but like, she was like she moved on and was in the process of going to be marrying to another man in the future of her life. Like it wasn’t not same, but like she I’m saying she ends up married to another man. Not saying a specific man, but it’s like not Steve. And I guess I guess, like it also really frustrates me. 

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Speaker 2

Okay, I just rewatched The Winter Soldier and she literally sits there, old Peggy, and she goes, We can’t go back. 

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Speaker 1

I know. He says, Million. I don’t like. 

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Speaker 2

Loki. I’m not saying that. I’m just saying I’m frustrated because you had to bring up Steve. And if you want to open that can of worms, which you did, here’s the result. Regardless, I’m confused. I if, if we didn’t have like 20 something movies, I’d be like, oh, a variant is a multiverse. And I’d sit there happy. 

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Speaker 3

But we have 20 something movies to that. You have to sit there and be like, okay, wait a second. Now.

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Speaker 1

Yeah, but none of them have time travel except for Affinity War and you baby strain. And that’s why men and Baby Strange. 

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Speaker 2

Yeah, but I’m saying like you have to look back and now certain things you’re like, So was this always supposed to be What happens now? Well, if. 

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Speaker 1

We think about it here, here’s one way to think about it. We talk about the great and wise. Kevin five If Kevin finally thought it up and created it and made it happen on screen, it was. 

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Speaker 2

Meant to happen. No, I’m not. I know. It’s just like you kind of there’s much more to think about because we all we’ve been worried about is the multiverse is coming, the multiverse is coming. And now it’s like, okay, without a multiverse is time. I’m like, it’s if you would have sat there ten years ago and told me before any movies came out, any variant in the original timeline is a multiverse. 

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Speaker 2

I’ve been like that. 

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Speaker 3

But now you’re trying to tell me this after. 

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Speaker 2

Like I look at Spider-Man, for example, I think about Spider-Man.

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Speaker 3

So there’s going to be three different. What? 

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Speaker 2

Like that’s what I mean. Like, I always keep going back to that example because that’s the one that we’re going to be seeing. Well, everyone’s expecting to see that mix of, you know, Tom Holland, Tobey Maguire, Andrew Garfield. So it’s like, okay, but then two of those are variants now. 

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Speaker 1

Yeah, not our show. 

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Speaker 2

No, into the Spider-Verse. That movie is new. Well, it. 

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Speaker 1

Was never part of the MCU. I know, I know. 

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Speaker 2

But now anything like we have to just ignore the thought of that being what the multiverse is. Because the multiverse is no longer that it’s time variance, which doesn’t. 

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Speaker 3

I’m frustrated. I’m trying so hard. The fact that you just broke that was amazing. I was so frustrated. But besides that, moving forward, if you want to just let’s let’s just put aside the whole time multiverse thing because that’s going to be explained. I know. 

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Speaker 1

I know that Kevin is going to leave it, but it really hurt. 

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Speaker 2

My brain for a very for a lot of that. But I will say I really I think oh, Wilson so far is doing so great. 

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Speaker 1

I love their. 

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Speaker 2

I think he’s doing them. And it’s funny to me because I only think about him as a cowboy in the night in the museum, like, oh. 

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Speaker 1

And the dog from Marley and me and the guy from Wedding. 

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Speaker 2

Crashers. No, I 100% just associate him with Night in the Museum. So when he’s talking, I just like, oh. 

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Speaker 3

For me. 

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Speaker 1

It’s it’s like, where’s Vince. 

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Speaker 3

Vaughn mean? 

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Speaker 2

Well, that’s how I feel about the guy who, like, isn’t it like Octavius or something. 

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Speaker 3

And that’s how I feel. Like where is this other half that I’m. 

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Speaker 1

Like, it’s.

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Speaker 2

It’s Loki now. 

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Speaker 3

Right in the same. 

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Speaker 1

Movie. 

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Speaker 2

But yeah, I think he’s doing great. I love him. I’m very suss of this time variant agency I’m authority. Thank you. One of them it was like. 

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Speaker 1

Thanos happen like I get that if it they saw it and it was supposed to happen like. 

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Speaker 2

Well I guess I eventually understood that they he was going to be defeated. But I’m also going to, you know, now here’s a new confusion. They took Thanos. 

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Speaker 3

Out of the 24. Well, technically, Thanos took himself out of the. 

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Speaker 2

2014 timeline. They killed him. 

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Speaker 1

Yes, a variant. 

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Speaker 2

I guess. 

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Speaker 3

I mean, I guess I don’t even because it. 

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Speaker 1

Was all supposed to have it because the now 2014 Thanos. Yeah, well, the start wouldn’t have been. 

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Speaker 2

I remember. I understand like, okay, when the whole stones take him out, putting him right back where they were. But I guess I just don’t even know. Okay, whatever. 

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Speaker 3

Just please, let’s keep ignoring this time. Thing is, it’s so frustrating. 

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Speaker 2

Yeah. No, I think Owen Wilson’s doing great. I’m very suspicious of this. Of this group. And Loki even says, you know, with them, finish. So it’s. Oh, don’t wait. Don’t bring the. 

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Speaker 3

I’m not prepared for that. Um, even he even says there is a lot of pain. Yeah. 

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Speaker 2

He’s like, this place is even more powerful because like, literally infinity stones are worthless here. 

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Speaker 1

Yeah. 

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Speaker 2

So I think that’s interesting, but that’s also really stressful to me because any organization that is that. 

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Speaker 1

Power to neutralize that much power. 

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Speaker 2

Yeah. 

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Speaker 1

Is like a full on garlanded Thanos literally would just be like a super strong purple man there Which is crazy. 

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Speaker 2

Yeah. 

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Speaker 1

Which like, I mean nothing to. 

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Speaker 3

Wrestle with because I found. 

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Speaker 2

Out today he was actually some weird. He had some weird deviant gene, which is why he’s, like, extra strong and looks the way he does. He actually stood out from the rest of his people.

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Speaker 1

Oh, you mean besides wanting to kill everyone? 

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Speaker 2

Right, right, right, right, right. But like, that’s probably where his, like, weird superiority. 

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Speaker 3

Complex came in, where he was like, my mutant gene makes me better, but whatever. 

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Speaker 2

Yeah, So I, I, I don’t know. I’m suspicious of them, but if we want to open the. The small little window of the infinity stones, I’m not.

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Speaker 3

I just like. 

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Speaker 1

When you’re looking and seeing Loki understand the gravity of a situation and I’m not talking like later on. 

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Speaker 2

Character development Loki 2020 12. Just trying to take over New York City.

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Speaker 1

Loki To stand there and stare at that drawer and understand the full gravity of what that represented well, And I just the power there.

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Speaker 2

You know, what’s amazing is we have a different perspective than Loki, actually. Even so, to see Loki react that way is is very powerful because we have the perspective of we lost not to those stones, we lost more to the stones. Wanda that entire scene with her in vision, we lost to those stones, you know, all these movies, many of them I should say, and I shouldn’t say all of them for a long time, had some degree of those stones in them, even cap count went down to the ice because of the stones. 

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Speaker 2

But I think it’s just you look at that now and it it’s almost I can’t even think of the word the right word. I want to say it almost disrespectful. That’s the word I want to say. 

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Speaker 1

The fact that they treat them as paperweights when people have literally given their lives to protect or destroy them. 

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Speaker 2

That that’s yeah, it to me, it’s a little like dancing on a grave. Yeah. Like, I don’t know. So that that scene hurt me to a different degree. I will say I accidentally spoiled that scene for myself. I went on Twitter today. I should have known better. Follow us on Twitter. By the way. 

00:17:26:19 – 00:17:32:17

Speaker 3

But I did go on Twitter because I was like, oh, stay active with everyone who’s watching Loki. And, you. 

00:17:32:17 – 00:17:33:22

Speaker 1

Know, mistakes were made. 

00:17:34:02 – 00:17:35:11

Speaker 2

Mistakes were made. 

00:17:35:11 – 00:17:37:03

Speaker 3

And I saw as soon as I saw. 

00:17:37:03 – 00:17:46:03

Speaker 2

That, I said, no, no, no, no, no. And I closed the app. But I did know about that scene. And it just I was at work and I just my heart, I think I. 

00:17:46:03 – 00:18:09:01

Speaker 1

Honestly I’m having trouble comprehending that, like, I understand the scene and what it means, but I think I it hasn’t hit me quite yet because I didn’t have that, like, visceral reaction yet. Like, I understand that I should be feeling so much pain, but I think I’m like blocking it out. Like I haven’t had a chance to really process it yet and what it means. 

00:18:09:12 – 00:18:19:20

Speaker 1

So I might come back to you guys next episode with some real, real raw emotion because I just haven’t quite processed what I’m feeling now. 

00:18:19:20 – 00:18:30:28

Speaker 2

That scene of that scene hurt. And then, you know, we move forward to watching Loki watch his his entire life. And I know I brought up wasn’t ready to see him die and wasn’t. 

00:18:30:28 – 00:18:34:22

Speaker 3

Ready for the next cry to be that was so prominent. Wow. Okay. 

00:18:34:22 – 00:18:38:03

Speaker 1

Sound editors, we heard they really set out and they. 

00:18:38:03 – 00:18:39:00

Speaker 3

Really said, let’s. 

00:18:39:00 – 00:18:41:06

Speaker 2

Isolate it and blow it up. 

00:18:42:00 – 00:18:42:14

Speaker 3

Really? 

00:18:43:18 – 00:18:53:21

Speaker 2

But, you know, it was it was very moving to see him. See, I’m football, okay. Not about his mother, because obviously that was a painful part of that. 

00:18:53:28 – 00:18:56:13

Speaker 1

But the closure of his father and his brother. 

00:18:56:13 – 00:19:03:09

Speaker 2

Yeah. And I think even to give his life to trying to defeat the man that he at this. 

00:19:03:09 – 00:19:05:07

Speaker 1

Time was still serving.

00:19:05:08 – 00:19:11:04

Speaker 2

Yeah, I think really shows a lot. And then the scene with Thor just over his body just. 

00:19:11:20 – 00:19:29:20

Speaker 1

I think, though, I don’t know if you caught this, but at the end he says, Well, what’s the point? He basically laughs, Not the exact line, but 2012 Loki’s looking at what is that 20 2018 Loki Yeah, 2018 Loki And saying, Well, for all the good you did, where to get you? 

00:19:29:21 – 00:19:51:11

Speaker 2

I don’t think he’s looking that way. I think because that was in the same area as when I’m not sure if it was Loki or if it was Mobius in there. Now I’m thinking of Morbius. So I was like, This is on our alone. I’m not sure which one says it, but one of them even says, you know, there’s no going back big and I’m not. 

00:19:51:11 – 00:20:02:02

Speaker 2

And I was in partial reference to him knowing his future. But it was also, I think, you know, you can’t change this anymore, like you’ve taken yourself out of it and you had what. 

00:20:02:02 – 00:20:05:25

Speaker 1

Was that’s the whole point of the TVA. What happened was always going to happen. 

00:20:05:25 – 00:20:09:27

Speaker 2

All right. All right. That’s what I mean now and now, but especially now that he’s. 

00:20:09:27 – 00:20:28:18

Speaker 1

But I still think he does say what he does say, like something along the lines of, oh, your righteous purpose, meaning like looking at the self that he can no longer change, that what is set in stone is going to happen. And he looks at that and he says, well, you you know, you did the right thing and you still got your neck broken.

 00:20:28:29 – 00:20:36:26

Speaker 1

Like there’s still that element of, you know, yeah, you won the acceptance of your family and then you promptly died the next day. Well. 

00:20:37:11 – 00:20:40:28

Speaker 2

To be fair, I know I made this joke while we were watching it, and. 

00:20:40:28 – 00:20:45:22

Speaker 3

I shouldn’t have, but I was like, Maybe he’s just sitting there really bawling over why he. 

00:20:45:22 – 00:21:01:24

Speaker 2

Went after him with a knife. You know, it’s the same question we’ve all been asking. Why? Why do you go after him with a knife? Whatever? You know, I think that was a lot to Loki, because I don’t think he was prepared to ever see himself die like that. Especially you have to think I brought it up at some point. 

00:21:01:29 – 00:21:33:15

Speaker 2

He’s been alive for thousands of years. Dudes, not like some 30 year old guy. He’s lived a life and and continues to live a life. He’s only like I’ve read somewhere him and were in my teenage and 20 year old years as guardian time. So it’s like, you know, he’s in a in the early fraction of his life you don’t expect to die and not in that way or at I can’t even know that that whole yes, I said I can’t even But. 

00:21:33:27 – 00:21:54:24

Speaker 1

Here’s what I want to understand and I’m going to touch on this whole time travel thing, but it’s related to what you were just saying. So when they found Loki in the desert, the Gobi Desert, they found him, they apprehended him, they took him in their square little portal things and then they said, let’s reset. What does reset mean if he can’t go back?

 00:21:54:24 – 00:21:56:28

Speaker 1

Do they create another version of him? 

00:21:56:28 – 00:21:57:09

Speaker 3

Well, that’s. 

00:21:57:09 – 00:22:16:17

Speaker 2

Why I’m almost like, why couldn’t you just reset it? And he would have gone right back into custody. Right. Because it would have gone to the last second before the variant itself. One, of course, I was just kind of adorable. He was in trials. He was like, Are you guilty or not guilty? I was like, The guy doesn’t even realize he didn’t like he’s not following his path. 

00:22:16:25 – 00:22:17:07

Speaker 1

Yeah, that. 

00:22:17:07 – 00:22:23:00

Speaker 2

Was other people messing with the timeline. Would you say that was okay? And they knocked stuff off course. 

00:22:23:06 – 00:22:23:29

Speaker 1

That because. 

00:22:25:07 – 00:22:26:24

Speaker 3

They’re gods. 

00:22:27:00 – 00:22:28:15

Speaker 2

There is. I feel that though. 

00:22:29:02 – 00:22:30:10

Speaker 1

We we are all the whole. 

00:22:30:10 – 00:22:34:21

Speaker 2

But I, I don’t know I that kind of frustrated me but that’s why.

00:22:34:21 – 00:22:37:02

Speaker 3

Obviously there’s like if you can just redo the. 

00:22:37:02 – 00:22:47:23

Speaker 2

Time I guess which is what they were doing, there’s no Loki to replace that Loki that you just took. Couldn’t you have just literally redid it and he would have gone right back to where he was?

00:22:48:10 – 00:22:52:09

Speaker 1

I want a whole lot more information on their technology. 

00:22:52:13 – 00:22:57:18

Speaker 2

Like a lot more information. Yeah, I agree. Because what are the limitations? 

00:22:57:18 – 00:23:02:05

Speaker 1

What does it do? How does it do it and how is nobody ever noticed it?

 00:23:02:06 – 00:23:24:28

Speaker 2

Well, the only way no one would ever notice that is if they’re going to reset everything everywhere. So say something gets knocked off kilter for 5 minutes and it’s in a variant, I guess, and they reset it. My thought process would be at least on earth or whatever planet it is have. What do they do? They work off earth? 

00:23:25:18 – 00:23:26:26

Speaker 1

I don’t know. I would. 

00:23:26:26 – 00:23:41:19

Speaker 2

Assume. I would think so because I think you probably have variants coming everywhere. But I, I would assume that either by planet or in entire thing, when you reset it, everything will go back in my example or. 

00:23:41:19 – 00:23:43:11

Speaker 1

Maybe just everything that’s affected. 

00:23:43:14 – 00:23:52:18

Speaker 2

Yeah, but that still doesn’t explain Loki and how that worked because they took Loki out of Earth and out of his time completely. Yeah. I’m going to. 

00:23:52:18 – 00:24:09:19

Speaker 1

Need a debrief on their tech. I also just. Just going back to the drawer of sadness for a second. There were not just green stones in there, green being obviously the was so yellow, red, red, so mind and soul. 

00:24:10:05 – 00:24:16:11

Speaker 2

I think it was orange, which was missing blue or purple but well he had the tesseract. 

00:24:16:20 – 00:24:20:05

Speaker 1

Yeah. It was mostly red and yellow I think in some great lockdown in there. 

00:24:20:22 – 00:24:25:27

Speaker 2

Thought it was an orange one. I swear there was an orange. I swear I sat there and it was like full color. 

00:24:26:04 – 00:24:27:23

Speaker 1

Is there an orange? If. 

00:24:28:16 – 00:24:29:04

Speaker 2

Yeah. 

00:24:29:20 – 00:24:30:08

Speaker 3

Soul. 

00:24:30:19 – 00:24:32:04

Speaker 1

The soul. Red, not. 

00:24:32:04 – 00:24:41:14

Speaker 2

Soul. No. Wait, no, wait. The ether, the one that came out of the ether is the redstone. Oh, yeah. Soul still is the one that they go to warm air for, which is Andre.

00:24:41:22 – 00:24:44:04

Speaker 1

Does Thanos get the stones early?

00:24:44:17 – 00:24:45:19

Speaker 3

Hold on, hold on. 

00:24:45:24 – 00:25:07:08

Speaker 2

I know we’re talking about this, but this kind of opens up this other thought process. How come they literally do a subtle nudge television at the very beginning and the whole like, you don’t go about that doesn’t realize he’s a robot that’s made out of like bio something, something, something. And like, that whole thing is about vision or is it all from God? 

00:25:07:08 – 00:25:08:00

Speaker 2

Don’t make me very. 

00:25:09:16 – 00:25:10:16

Speaker 3

But either way, then they were. 

00:25:10:16 – 00:25:13:27

Speaker 1

Like, Maybe there’s just cyborgs. Like, I think you’re a little too far. 

00:25:14:01 – 00:25:15:12

Speaker 3

I don’t know. I don’t know. 

00:25:15:12 – 00:25:33:00

Speaker 2

Because they’re the only ones that exist in art that we know of that would have fit that criteria. And then he was like, Well, if you were, you would explode from the inside out. So if it’s about vision or if it’s about Ultron, all time would make sense. So regardless, I had to bring that up because that felt a little weird.

00:25:33:11 – 00:25:36:04

Speaker 2

I mean, we all with the Stones felt weird and. 

00:25:37:09 – 00:25:39:06

Speaker 1

Have we had the major stuff now. 

00:25:39:29 – 00:25:40:22

Speaker 2

He’s battling. 

00:25:40:22 – 00:25:45:19

Speaker 3

Himself. That would be the major plot point is that the villain. 

00:25:45:19 – 00:25:48:17

Speaker 2

Of the show is Loki, but not the Loki. 

00:25:48:17 – 00:25:51:01

Speaker 1

That’s Oh, yes, I had reveal. 

00:25:51:15 – 00:25:53:22

Speaker 3

I was like, you know, the major point of the show.

00:25:53:22 – 00:26:01:11

Speaker 1

I was I was mentally still working my way through the middle and upper part of the show, meaning the beginning to middle of the show, not so much the end. 

00:26:01:11 – 00:26:08:24

Speaker 2

Yeah, I was like, Oh, hello. That is definitely the biggest part that I want to talk about. Not making sense that Loki’s been. 

00:26:08:28 – 00:26:20:02

Speaker 1

So here’s what I’m getting. Wait, so then they can create a Loki because there is clearly multiple Loki’s here, which means if he’s been a variant before that very. 

00:26:20:05 – 00:26:37:22

Speaker 2

I have not been able to catch him since. This so easily caught him as a variant. They know him better now. Wait, not even that. I remember they were saying forget one of the times something about if it hits that red line on their thing, it goes too far off course. And I think that means that there’s no coming back from it. 

00:26:38:00 – 00:26:47:15

Speaker 2

If they go that far off course, they can’t save it. Right. Right. So my point being is this Loki had to have gone. No. 

00:26:47:15 – 00:26:58:16

Speaker 1

Because if if you when when the minute man showed him the red line, he said it’s getting close. It’s not reached the point of no return yet. So he so Loki is going to bring them all. Yeah. But Tim wanted it in.

00:26:59:12 – 00:27:07:09

Speaker 2

Okay well here’s here’s well now Wanda is going to have to in some way, shape or form have something to do with that because they wouldn’t. 

00:27:07:09 – 00:27:12:19

Speaker 1

I’m not saying she doesn’t know this. I know, but it’s the red line. He himself will create the. 

00:27:12:19 – 00:27:28:24

Speaker 2

Multiverse, I guess. But I just I think it’s hard because I’m thinking about the original order in which these shows were going to come out. Well, it wasn’t it, Loki. You know, it was The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, the Loki that Wandavision, which would have made a lot more sense. And Wandavision was going to come over for Doctor Strange. 

00:27:29:02 – 00:27:48:28

Speaker 2

And so it was going to end right before the week before the movie. So I guess that’s why I’m like a little unsure because if I go back to that thought process, I don’t think they would have sat there and had Loki open the multiverse just to have us come back to Wanda. You know what I mean? Because I’m thinking of how it should have come out because COVID messed things up. 

00:27:49:16 – 00:27:55:24

Speaker 1

Yeah, but I still think it could have worked because why else would she hear her kids? 

00:27:56:02 – 00:27:56:21

Speaker 2

I don’t know, dude. 

00:27:56:21 – 00:27:59:10

Speaker 1

I’m like, It’s already open as I go. I think it’s. 

00:27:59:10 – 00:28:02:15

Speaker 2

First was open and then the whole like devil saying, Don’t bring. 

00:28:02:15 – 00:28:03:18

Speaker 3

Mephisto up in the air. 

00:28:03:18 – 00:28:09:15

Speaker 1

Like now what if Loki is this universe’s Mephisto? 

00:28:10:02 – 00:28:10:28

Speaker 2

No, we’re. 

00:28:11:25 – 00:28:14:18

Speaker 3

Literally not doing this. You know how much during. 

00:28:14:18 – 00:28:15:17

Speaker 2

Wandavision we sat there? 

00:28:15:24 – 00:28:17:28

Speaker 3

It’s Mephisto. Oh, my gosh. 

00:28:18:08 – 00:28:19:29

Speaker 2

I think. I think it’s Quicksilver. 

00:28:20:07 – 00:28:23:08

Speaker 3

No, he’s not. You don’t even talk about that. 

00:28:23:29 – 00:28:32:20

Speaker 2

No, I don’t know. I’m very goofy, but he has to be new to being a variant because and he has to have the ability to go through time. 

00:28:33:02 – 00:28:39:24

Speaker 1

I don’t think he’s necessarily new. I think he’s got this power maybe.

00:28:40:02 – 00:28:45:26

Speaker 2

But because all they really said was like that was the sixth attack within a week. So unless he just. 

00:28:46:10 – 00:28:49:04

Speaker 1

What was Loki doing a week before New York. 

00:28:49:22 – 00:29:10:09

Speaker 2

Or okay at this point might not make sense only because I don’t know all the rules of all this. But theoretically, what if this variant is the exact variant we’re seeing right now and they’re trying to stop this Loki from following that Loki’s new timeline. 

00:29:10:16 – 00:29:13:15

Speaker 1

That makes sense in a way that I’m starting to. 

00:29:13:15 – 00:29:31:00

Speaker 2

Graph right? So they’re trying to like, intercept him here and get him to stop the vert, like the original variants like Path, which should theoretically kind of block that variant and that variant. And I guess I. 

00:29:31:00 – 00:29:35:24

Speaker 1

Guess the thing is though, that variant predates our current Loki. 

00:29:36:18 – 00:29:56:21

Speaker 2

But does he. Because he’s Yeah, well he would have to predate him theoretically. I’m saying what if this is it Because remember they say time just runs in circles that like pretty much the same thing is supposed to happen again, again and again. So what if this isn’t the first cycle, let’s say, of the Loki that took the tesseract? 

00:29:56:28 – 00:30:06:18

Speaker 1

But it is because this is a very only the sacred timeline goes over and over and over again, because that’s what’s supposed to happen. Every time there’s a variant, they reset it. 

00:30:06:25 – 00:30:28:00

Speaker 2

Right? But what if they don’t get to reset it? What would it not be possible for the variant to accidentally create? It would because it creates a new multiverse. It could create the new timeline because remember, they said different timelines at the very beginning of everything we’re battling, which means there were a bunch of different stories that were happening again and again and again in those timelines, but they were not the main story.

00:30:28:00 – 00:30:49:23

Speaker 2

There was not one yet, I suppose that that would be my thought process only because he’s going through time. Loki doesn’t have the ability to do that unless he has one of the time things, which means he would have had to have gone somehow through the TVA, which he wouldn’t have known about because he’s jumping throughout time. And that’s the only thing that I’m sitting there and saying, you it has to have something to do with that. 

00:30:50:00 – 00:30:51:07

Speaker 1

Yeah, but they were going to kill him. 

00:30:51:17 – 00:30:53:18

Speaker 2

Unless and I. 

00:30:53:27 – 00:30:59:12

Speaker 1

Like but I guess I guess my, my thought is they were going to kill him when he got to the TVA. So wouldn’t they have done that the first time? 

00:30:59:21 – 00:31:09:20

Speaker 2

No, because they already knew he was a threat. Now, the first time he went to the TVA, theoretically, if we’re going off this, he might not have been a threat. He might have just, you know, whatever. 

00:31:09:20 – 00:31:12:23

Speaker 1

And maybe he still would have been guilty of being a variant.

00:31:12:23 – 00:31:30:09

Speaker 2

So he maybe but maybe they also would have somehow been able to I don’t know. But I’m theoretically thinking, what if, you know, they sat there like, well, it was an accident that he did that. I mean, that’s what I brought up to you literally earlier. I was like, no offense, but the guy had no clue. He was a variant. 

00:31:30:15 – 00:31:32:11

Speaker 2

He literally like someone else. 

00:31:32:11 – 00:31:34:28

Speaker 1

Messages don’t seem flexible about the rules. 

00:31:34:29 – 00:31:44:18

Speaker 2

I don’t know. My that’s just my slight theory of how he could have ended up here because he’s traveling time. So he has to have some. 

00:31:44:18 – 00:31:45:04

Speaker 3

Abilities. 

00:31:45:04 – 00:31:49:04

Speaker 2

Through the TVA, which means he has to know about it, which means he would have had to have ended up there somehow. 

00:31:49:09 – 00:31:50:10

Speaker 1

Or he has a timestamp. 

00:31:50:23 – 00:31:56:17

Speaker 2

I mean, yeah, but the time soon has been protected by the ancient ones for like, ever. 

00:31:56:26 – 00:31:58:24

Speaker 1

Yeah, but there’s more than one. 

00:31:59:21 – 00:32:08:15

Speaker 2

Well yeah, but however Doctor Strange in 9000 years, but then the sorcerer supreme always have the time stone.

 00:32:08:16 – 00:32:14:29

Speaker 1

But I’m saying the TVA has shown us there’s more than one. So if he comes from a different timeline, like or. I don’t know.

00:32:15:22 – 00:32:21:20

Speaker 2

I don’t either. Especially now that I look back and I’m like, wait, the insurance had the stones. I’ll have to go back to the place. So how are they keeping. 

00:32:21:20 – 00:32:22:08

Speaker 3

Stones in the. 

00:32:22:08 – 00:32:24:03

Speaker 2

TVA? Ash And they all theoretically. 

00:32:24:03 – 00:32:25:10

Speaker 1

Those are variants. 

00:32:25:18 – 00:32:29:05

Speaker 2

I guess, but like, what’s your definition then? A variant? 

00:32:29:05 – 00:32:39:20

Speaker 1

Because, well, they reset it. So then that stone is back in its timeline anyway. But I, I guess what I’m saying is The Avengers had to manually reset, whereas the TVA has technology to do that I guess. 

00:32:39:20 – 00:32:44:08

Speaker 2

Yeah, I’m trying to understand this desperately. 

00:32:45:04 – 00:32:48:12

Speaker 1

Are we just I mean, I mean, be real. We do not have enough information. 

00:32:48:12 – 00:33:04:26

Speaker 2

Now, especially knowing that Loki is sitting here. He’s technically the villain. And now we’re going to watch Loki try and undo whatever he himself is doing. Yeah, but I’m. I’m unsure. I’m not sure of a lot, but I’m. I’m mainly trying. I’ll look about. 

00:33:04:26 – 00:33:07:29

Speaker 1

Other times when Loki went M.I.A. 

00:33:08:05 – 00:33:23:17

Speaker 2

Yeah, but it’s not even that for me. It’s. I’m just more lost on how he’s traveling throughout time because I don’t think he would have a time. Stone Also, there’s also timezones. I’ll work like that because they are they undo everything. So he would literally be having to go back to the first time I see it in like the 1500s. 

00:33:23:22 – 00:33:28:24

Speaker 2

He would literally move everything in time back in order to do it that way, right? 

00:33:29:03 – 00:33:30:20

Speaker 1

I mean, that’s how we’ve seen it be. 

00:33:30:20 – 00:33:35:06

Speaker 2

You saw Doctor Strange when he saw that like 1 million possibilities. 

00:33:35:16 – 00:33:37:00

Speaker 1

That was just being a sorcerer. 

00:33:37:10 – 00:33:37:21

Speaker 2

Right? 

00:33:37:21 – 00:33:41:14

Speaker 1

So looking into the future, the use of the future, I think is different than the use of the past. 

00:33:41:26 – 00:33:47:22

Speaker 2

But my point being, the TVA says the future is already set in stone. Look, you really have your path that you’re on, right? 

00:33:47:23 – 00:33:52:25

Speaker 1

Because the timekeepers know what it is. But strange is in power enough, powerful enough to know that. 

00:33:53:10 – 00:33:56:28

Speaker 2

Okay, so he saw so different variants essentially. 

00:33:57:02 – 00:34:00:14

Speaker 1

He did, but only one of them was going to be chosen every time. 

00:34:01:06 – 00:34:03:19

Speaker 2

Which he didn’t know. But it was the one more watering dies. 

00:34:04:00 – 00:34:22:24

Speaker 1

Mm hmm. Okay. At least that’s my interpretation. Also, can we talk about them confirming one or rejecting one very, very longstanding fan theory that Loki is, in fact, still alive because he didn’t turn blue? I think we can lay that one to rest now. 

00:34:23:06 – 00:34:24:20

Speaker 2

Okay, well, then he should have turned blue. 

00:34:25:28 – 00:34:27:17

Speaker 1

And I’m just saying. 

00:34:27:17 – 00:34:33:06

Speaker 2

I know, I know, I know. I get that. But, um, I hope this brings Loki back. 

00:34:33:13 – 00:34:33:26

Speaker 1

They said. 

00:34:34:01 – 00:34:34:21

Speaker 2

I saw. 

00:34:35:06 – 00:34:37:10

Speaker 1

That they want him for at least three seasons.

 00:34:37:15 – 00:34:38:05

Speaker 2

Well, I just. 

00:34:38:05 – 00:34:41:14

Speaker 1

Can’t go back to his timeline. Thor has to think he’s dead. 

00:34:44:01 – 00:35:00:00

Speaker 2

Loki. I love Loki, but he’s only as good as he is when he’s interacting with all the other Avengers. And especially with Thor. You know what I mean? Like, it’s like pretty much having just a just like a Sam show or just a Bucky show. It’s like you just can’t. You got to have them together because they’re meant to be together. 

00:35:00:08 – 00:35:03:18

Speaker 2

Like, yeah, I don’t know this. That’s going to be a little. 

00:35:03:19 – 00:35:06:22

Speaker 1

It’ll be interesting to watch him try to carry a franchise on. 

00:35:06:22 – 00:35:14:04

Speaker 2

His own. Well, I’m more intrigued to understand, obviously, this is way too early to even talk about this, but they want more seasons. Oh. 

00:35:14:27 – 00:35:31:28

Speaker 1

Well, I could see it becoming a serial, right? Like so this season. He’s all about battling himself. But what if he becomes a TVA agent and it it becomes, Oh, well, now he’s just going to battle this variant for an episode or that variant for an episode. Yeah. Or you know, maybe.

 00:35:32:04 – 00:35:39:06

Speaker 2

Marvel’s not like that. You know, Marvel doesn’t really do the whole this episode here is this, you know, I mean. 

00:35:39:11 – 00:35:50:29

Speaker 1

That’s true that doesn’t mean they couldn’t explore a more serialized version of like, you know, they, I think they’ve broken into genres, new genres that they haven’t done before. Like they’re going to break into horror with Doctor. 

00:35:51:14 – 00:36:04:25

Speaker 2

So I’m going to call time out. Explain to me this just for clarification and or if you don’t know the answer, then we have a new question, right? What about Gomorrah? Who’s out of time? Because she is out of time. She’s what, 2014 Gomorrah? 

00:36:05:07 – 00:36:09:20

Speaker 1

She’s not 2023. Okay. 

00:36:10:23 – 00:36:14:04

Speaker 2

That’s what I just thought about. That was like, she’s not supposed to be where she is. 

00:36:15:01 – 00:36:19:22

Speaker 1

I feel like they just kind of gave a pass for everything that happened in relation to Thanos. 

00:36:20:03 – 00:36:28:20

Speaker 2

But even then, she is supposed to die to keep that original right going. Oh, I know. 

00:36:28:20 – 00:36:30:26

Speaker 1

What you’re saying. I’m trying to think of a loophole. 

00:36:31:05 – 00:36:47:00

Speaker 2

Unless the one of her that’s on the run is. But that doesn’t make sense because she doesn’t know Peter. Because I say unless the one that ends up on the run is the one that if we we see in the Guardians. But I was like, that doesn’t make sense because she has no idea who. Well, no, she doesn’t know who Peter is when she meets him but then. 

00:36:48:03 – 00:36:49:25

Speaker 1

Yeah, but that was in 2014. 

00:36:50:01 – 00:36:56:02

Speaker 2

I don’t know. And I wish I could understand more, but I don’t. I truly don’t. Oh. 

00:36:56:23 – 00:37:17:06

Speaker 1

This is the. This is the thing with introducing characters retroactively. This is what happened with Captain Marvel. This is what’s going to happen. Although I think they finally they will address it in the Eternals. Where were you when X, Y, Z happened? Why didn’t you step in when x, y, z? 

00:37:17:15 – 00:37:18:05

Speaker 2

I agree. 

00:37:18:18 – 00:37:23:22

Speaker 1

So I hope they address that. Maybe they’ll address in Guardians. 

00:37:24:03 – 00:37:26:27

Speaker 2

I think they’re going to have to because she’s a big part of them. 

00:37:27:09 – 00:37:32:11

Speaker 1

Maybe the whole thing is they find her and then the TVA takes her back. We don’t know that there’s not a. 

00:37:32:11 – 00:37:32:29

Speaker 2

T and I’m. 

00:37:33:00 – 00:37:48:15

Speaker 1

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on. We don’t. They’re unable to catch Loki, right? Gomorrah is arguably, she may not be as magically powerful, but the girl’s amazing. So it is entirely possible she could just be evading the TVA. 

00:37:48:24 – 00:37:54:16

Speaker 2

Yeah, but they seem very put together. Yeah, but to. To be able to a voice like. 

00:37:54:16 – 00:37:56:23

Speaker 1

Are trained by Thanos assassin. 

00:37:57:04 – 00:38:17:24

Speaker 2

I don’t know. I regardless, she is way out of her time and creating a complete variant if they really need to stop her which they would if she’s a variant, especially considering everything she does from here on out would be creating a completely different multiverse. I guess. You know, they they would do what they need to catch her. 

00:38:18:07 – 00:38:22:16

Speaker 2

That’s what I mean. That could then they said The Avengers. Everything they did was supposed to happen. 

00:38:22:21 – 00:38:27:22

Speaker 1

Well, so is she supposed to be alive? Is that a catch All everything that happens in that movie?

00:38:28:02 – 00:38:31:16

Speaker 2

I don’t, I guess. Which means I don’t. 

00:38:31:18 – 00:38:34:27

Speaker 1

Know, Lady, the story of Gomorrah has more to go. 

00:38:35:04 – 00:38:45:22

Speaker 2

Well, that means, though, I don’t see how they’re going to technically ever bring a character back, because, yes, we’re going to accidentally open the multiverse, either in Loki or in docs treating them. Also, Multiverse of Madness. 

00:38:45:22 – 00:38:46:26

Speaker 1

Spider-Man, for that matter. 

00:38:46:27 – 00:39:10:03

Speaker 2

Well, right. So any of those three. So yes, whatever. Blah blah. My point just being at the end of the day, we always said, you know, the multiverse allows and time travel allows for, you know, a character’s death to be undone. The issue being now that time travel is multi verse or no technically multiverse is our our timeline. 

00:39:10:04 – 00:39:24:29

Speaker 2

Yeah so that changes that because of the TVA’s trying to stop all these variants. Even if the multiverse explodes I think we could. I definitely think we could see cameos out of Herschel. 

00:39:25:01 – 00:39:27:21

Speaker 1

I feel like I read that there were some pretty cool cameos in this. 

00:39:27:22 – 00:39:41:05

Speaker 2

I know we’re not even here. I’m talking about like Multiverse of Madness, because if you think if she explodes it, there was a ton of timelines battling once again to be the main timeline, which means there are timelines. 

00:39:41:16 – 00:39:44:23

Speaker 1

Where I’m just going to rip our reality a new one and just. 

00:39:45:00 – 00:39:45:13

Speaker 2

Stop. 

00:39:45:13 – 00:39:48:14

Speaker 3

Don’t even I can’t even handle that. No, but. 

00:39:48:14 – 00:39:59:12

Speaker 2

I mean, I think of it as the things that like, think, think even. I mean, obviously everyone always does that. But what if Cap had been Hydra? You know they’re impossible very of a they they. 

00:39:59:12 – 00:40:01:27

Speaker 1

Did that comic call out in Endgame.

 00:40:02:02 – 00:40:15:25

Speaker 2

No I know I know. But I wanted to use it as an example just because they use it in one game. So it’s already not like a thing, but I’m using it just because people are familiar with it. You know, there will if she explodes the variance. 

00:40:16:13 – 00:40:19:14

Speaker 1

So so essentially that retcon everything. 

00:40:19:20 – 00:40:30:16

Speaker 2

I wonder if what she’s going to do is every variant they stopped whatever she’s going to do explodes the the like the undoing of the variants you know what I mean. 

00:40:30:19 – 00:40:57:29

Speaker 1

Well I did if you think about some of the Loki trailers, there is a shot in one of the trailers where they’re looking at the sacred timeline and there’s like ten or 12 variants growing and growing, growing, growing and moving towards the red line on both sides. So I’m wondering like, will we see an end credits scene of Wanda or whatever? 

00:40:57:29 – 00:41:00:22

Speaker 2

Because I don’t think Loki that would make sense to see. 

00:41:00:22 – 00:41:04:12

Speaker 1

Loki one who was in her own end credits scene so it wouldn’t. 

00:41:04:12 – 00:41:22:21

Speaker 2

Die, but it wouldn’t make as much sense because if he’s going to continue his show this season is going to be what leads up to the next to all the movies, you know, not next season, because by the time we see him next season, the multiverse will have happened, which would probably be what next season would be would be the repercussions of it. 

00:41:22:23 – 00:41:27:05

Speaker 2

Mhm. So that’s so I don’t think he would be.

00:41:27:05 – 00:41:34:12

Speaker 1

So do you think the last episode of Loki will be whatever Wanda does to go get her kids directly setting up Strange. 

00:41:34:23 – 00:41:43:05

Speaker 2

I don’t know man. I really think about this to the whole point of Wandavision was also going to come out the week. The finale was the week. 

00:41:43:09 – 00:41:45:12

Speaker 1

I get that. But that was then and this is now. 

00:41:46:00 – 00:42:07:19

Speaker 2

No, I just think that with the way it was originally set up, I don’t think they would have fans sit there for seven months. Eight months? No, nine, nine months. I don’t even know where we’re at. And not have answers because the next few movies will not give us any. I just think that would that they wouldn’t have us sit there on that. 

00:42:08:01 – 00:42:20:23

Speaker 1

Yeah, but I think one, things have changed. They’ve reshot stuff too. You’re discounting any end credits scenes because that can be a through line between different movies. 

00:42:21:02 – 00:42:23:13

Speaker 2

I’m no, no, I’m not saying. 

00:42:23:13 – 00:42:29:03

Speaker 1

I’m just saying we saw Infinity War and then Captain Marvel came out between Infinity War and Endgame.

00:42:29:13 – 00:42:30:16

Speaker 2

And she. 

00:42:31:05 – 00:42:36:19

Speaker 1

The end credits scenes were the connection between Infinity War and Endgame. So it’s not like you can’t. 

00:42:36:20 – 00:42:43:28

Speaker 2

Oh, wait, you’re you’re talking about the end credits scenes. I know you’re talking about the last episode of Loki. You said the last episode of Lucky. 

00:42:44:05 – 00:43:03:04

Speaker 1

I do. I did. But you’re saying that there can’t be like, because of the order before. That can’t be. Well, one, I think that things have changed. And too, I think that you can use end credits scenes from movies to further that plot and bring it into a doctor. Strange movie. Yeah. 

00:43:03:04 – 00:43:28:03

Speaker 2

I don’t know. I just because the one thing I know that they’re not going to want to do either is they’re not they know fans are already deeply anticipating it and they’re introducing change and they don’t want to over shadow him by having fans more interested in what’s going to be going on in the other movies. Fans are already like, especially with Spider-Man and Doctor Strange are rated in their first off. 

00:43:28:11 – 00:43:40:07

Speaker 2

Barely anyone cares about Black Widow. Anyone who’s going to see her movie is most likely going to see it for the and I think they don’t want the same done for Shang-Chi I think they want to that character you know I mean. 

00:43:40:18 – 00:43:44:02

Speaker 1

Yeah I think it’s because they want to avoid a Captain Marvel situation. 

00:43:44:02 – 00:43:44:27

Speaker 2

Well exactly. 

00:43:44:27 – 00:43:45:08

Speaker 1

Because I. 

00:43:45:08 – 00:43:47:17

Speaker 2

Appreciate all the fun came into it. 

00:43:47:26 – 00:43:50:06

Speaker 1

Well, I also just. Wasn’t that invested in her story.

00:43:50:08 – 00:43:51:00

Speaker 2

Well, no, but. 

00:43:51:00 – 00:43:54:28

Speaker 1

I think she was this brand new character in between two of the biggest movie sagas that I’ve ever been to.

 00:43:55:06 – 00:44:13:13

Speaker 2

That’s what I mean. So I think they’re going to try to avoid having too much of a set up, too Doctor Strange now that the order is in following what they originally thought it would be, because I don’t think they want fans sitting there and being like, Where’s where’s this happening? Where’s the multiverse? Where’s Ivy? You know? I mean, I don’t think they want to overshadow Shinji.

00:44:13:28 – 00:44:25:15

Speaker 1

Yeah, but, I mean, to be fair, and I don’t. I don’t know a ton about Shanghai. I haven’t done my pre movie research yet, but it seems like there’s a definite mystical angle there.

00:44:25:24 – 00:44:27:27

Speaker 2

Well Yeah, I think he’ll tie in with Doctor Strange. 

00:44:28:03 – 00:44:31:03

Speaker 1

Right. So. So I don’t necessarily think that. 

00:44:31:07 – 00:44:31:24

Speaker 2

No. I mean. 

00:44:31:24 – 00:44:35:20

Speaker 1

Completely pulling away from Shanghai if he’s still leading us. 

00:44:35:20 – 00:44:41:17

Speaker 2

There. Well I think like an end credits scene dealing with it at the knitting she would make sense.

 00:44:41:26 – 00:44:43:20

Speaker 1

Right but I just think is and again. 

00:44:43:23 – 00:44:50:29

Speaker 2

More like a low key accident scene leading us to Shanghai. Not necessarily to you know, I mean, like a middle step in the process. 

00:44:51:22 – 00:44:57:07

Speaker 1

I don’t think they’re going to do that. But I think, you know, he does have that kind of mystical. 

00:44:57:18 – 00:45:08:17

Speaker 2

Well, you know what might lead my irritation, because to be fair, or at least not nowhere, but nowhere into what we already know, because think about we got you as agent. That’s a whole thing. That’s going to be a whole thing on its own. 

00:45:09:10 – 00:45:11:29

Speaker 1

Well, yes, there’s there’s a whole lot there. Yeah. 

00:45:12:00 – 00:45:25:03

Speaker 2

So, you know, Wanda’s had to be. Wanda’s was, because we needed to understand where she was coming. That that was because of where they ended her show. It was like rainbows. And sunshine, it’s. 

00:45:25:04 – 00:45:25:19

Speaker 3

Like. 

00:45:26:06 – 00:45:26:17

Speaker 2

That. 

00:45:27:00 – 00:45:29:29

Speaker 1

Wasn’t afraid of her children dying. 

00:45:30:00 – 00:45:54:05

Speaker 2

Well, right, But. Well, did they die or cause, like, what were they? You know what I mean? But I don’t know. I don’t. I don’t know. I don’t know where this is going to fit in. I don’t know anything at this point. I think it’s too early to make too many predictions about what comes out of Loki itself until at least probably like the third or fourth episode where we’re starting to actually understand more of the plot. 

00:45:54:05 – 00:46:02:11

Speaker 2

We’re in the thick of things. You know, we’re kind of seeing where things are leading because a part of me wonders if we’re going to see a little call to Black Widow. 

00:46:03:18 – 00:46:05:21

Speaker 1

Especially this 3 to 4 reason is. 

00:46:05:26 – 00:46:15:05

Speaker 2

Going to be heard. Yeah, exactly. So and right around that is where they put the end credits scenes. And so part of me is wondering if we’re to see something like that. I don’t know. 

00:46:15:13 – 00:46:17:11

Speaker 3

I’m I’m confused. 

00:46:18:28 – 00:46:25:06

Speaker 2

I’m confused and lost and very back to not knowing what I’m talking about. Thank you, Loki. 

00:46:27:10 – 00:46:31:13

Speaker 1

All right. Is there anything else we want to talk about? 

00:46:32:26 – 00:46:34:28

Speaker 2

I hate that it’s on a Wednesday, man. 

00:46:35:15 – 00:46:36:22

Speaker 1

Yeah, it feels like the weekend. 

00:46:36:27 – 00:46:54:21

Speaker 2

Yeah, I’m ready to like. Well, I don’t do much this weekend. Don’t know what I thought I was going to say, but yeah, I think, I think that’s the culminating point of Loki. Honestly, I think we touched on the biggest things that really came out. Like I said, similar to the first wandavision or the first two Wandavision episodes. 

00:46:54:29 – 00:46:57:05

Speaker 2

It’s not really a lot to talk about because I think. 

00:46:57:05 – 00:47:00:16

Speaker 1

The pacing is going to follow Falcon THE Oh yeah. 

00:47:00:23 – 00:47:18:02

Speaker 2

For sure. Yeah. One of my shorter episodes, so there were more of them, but no, I just think the issue with Loki is same as it was with all of them. It’s too early. You know, some of the issue is it’s just like with the Falcon and Soldier, we knew who the bad guys were. That’s about it. 

00:47:19:05 – 00:47:22:08

Speaker 1

Did we, though, because that that well evolved. 

00:47:23:10 – 00:47:36:11

Speaker 2

They still remain the bad guys overall. So yeah I would say because yeah I mean the it really okay we don’t count the fat dog we started on John Walker.

00:47:36:20 – 00:47:38:27

Speaker 3

He became fine at the end so. 

00:47:39:18 – 00:47:59:05

Speaker 2

The main bad guy remained the main bad guy the whole time. So I feel like that’s kind of where we’re at right now. We’re like, Loki is the bad guy and the good guy. Current Loki’s going to be the one stopping him a B, don’t know anything else about it. And that’s kind of where we were with the Falcon and the Winter Soldier and Wandavision. 

00:47:59:05 – 00:48:03:02

Speaker 2

It was like, Great first episode. I know nothing and I’ve got more questions. 

00:48:03:25 – 00:48:06:12

Speaker 1

Definitely more questions than answers for sure. 

00:48:06:18 – 00:48:12:13

Speaker 2

Yeah. So I think that’s where it leaves us with Loki. Episode one. Yeah. 

00:48:13:03 – 00:48:39:04

Speaker 1

All right, guys. Well, hopefully you enjoyed our little rambling analysis. Please join us next week as we break down Loki Episode two and hopefully have a little more direction and a lot more understanding. Please subscribe to the podcast so that you get notifications. When we send out new episodes and give the blog a follow. It is linked in the episode notes. 

00:48:39:15 – 00:48:57:15

Speaker 2

And as I said before, it makes you check out the Twitter. It is, Let’s talk MFT and we will be keeping up with that pretty actively. We like to talk to people on it and interact with everyone. So definitely give that a follow as well. And don’t forget to keep up with the shows. I mean, now we’re in the prime of it. 

00:48:57:16 – 00:49:04:01

Speaker 2

It’s all going to come out it pretty fast. So definitely keep up with Loki and we know Marvel blew your mind, so let’s talk about it.