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Taylor: There was another episode of Loki this week, so you know what that means. Time for some discussion. And once again, I’m going to preface this with if you haven’t watched the episode, tell listen to this podcast right now. Go watch it, come back and then listen to what we have to say. 

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Speaker 2

Because we will be breaking down Episode two of Loki. 

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Speaker 1

So to get right into it, I want to skip everything that happened at the beginning. I think we all want to talk about it. The reveal of the variant Loki that is an R variant. 

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Speaker 2

Loki The bad variant. 

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Speaker 1

Loki Yeah. Air quotes. Yeah. Okay. I mean, I knew it was coming. I did know the theories about Lady Loki appearing, if that is who she is fully to be. So I did. I didn’t know that that was going to happen. I’m a little surprised we got it in the second episode. I’m a little surprised that we’re essentially opening the multiverse in the second episode, unless Loki is going to close it just for the open again, I don’t know. 

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Speaker 1

I just feel like like I was I was pretty surprised that we got these reveals so early. 

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Speaker 2

Yeah. I mean, that that shot of the TVA going into crisis mode, that felt like an episode five cliffhanger leading you into a finale moment. And I was so surprised. 

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Speaker 1

And also in the second episode. 

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Speaker 2

Just really pleased that they decided to shake it up on us and do it early and really get us on our toes really early on. 

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Speaker 1

And that’s why I wonder though, does that mean now we’re going to watch Loki trying to obviously stop bad Loki but close all of these new various Nexus points? I don’t know. They’re all getting intertwined in my brain, but I do wonder if we’re going to start to see that. But and now correct me if I’m wrong in the first episode, they say if even one of them hits the red line, things kind of go poof. 

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Speaker 1

So I think that’s really what she’s relying on. She knows they’re going to stop a lot of them, and they are. But if only one of them hits it, that’s that’s when the multiverse really opens. 

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Speaker 2

I just had a thought. Has it been established whether this happens before or after? WandaVision? Well. 

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Speaker 1

My only thing is, obviously this is true of Loki. We saw right out of 2012 the main differences. Mobius said Time moves differently here, so we might have already walked two years worth of things and we don’t know it. So the fair I don’t know where this fits into our actual timeline. 

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Speaker 2

Yeah, because I’m just thinking, you know, this could be, you know, they’re talking about Nexus and obviously Wanda’s Hex was considered a nexus, right? Based on what we saw in the show, or at least the, the name of a nexus was mentioned. So obviously not a coincidence. I guess I’m just wondering maybe Wanda didn’t open the multiverse because maybe Lady Loki already opened it. 

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Speaker 1

Well, which would make sense. Well, okay, let’s let’s start here. I had brought this up to the other day about it already being open. And you and I know you like, kind of disputed it for the reason you disputed it for it, but I’m going to bring it up. I had said about what if it’s already open because we saw and Jamison at the end of Spider-Man and you said, well, that’s just this universe’s juju or this timeline’s Jonah Jamison Well, that’s true, but what if there is an intertwining? 

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Speaker 1

There is what I’m wondering, because if she did already open it, there are a lot of different you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2

I guess I just I think Jonah Jamison is a good example. 

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Speaker 1

Well, but I. 

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Speaker 2

Think that even right rumor that he’s going to play both that actor whose name is currently escaping me is going to play both versions in the upcoming Spider-Man. Right. 

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Speaker 1

But I just am wondering, I don’t know. That was just kind of what I that was the starting point, whether it was the correct starting point, it was what started that thought process of what if the multiverse has already been starting? But then you have to think if we’re before wandavision how far before that was right after and game, where does that fit into things? 

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Speaker 1

That’s why I have to think too. 

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Speaker 2

If time moves differently, what if it’s only been like 10 minutes right? So like, then what if the what if the Avengers are still fighting Thanos? 

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Speaker 1

But I also think this when he’s on trial, when Loki is on trial, she even said because he said about, Oh, you don’t think I wouldn’t recognize to Tony Stark’s like I could smell them. So he knew they were time traveling. And she said, No, they’re supposed to do that. So are we like, where are we actually? 

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Speaker 2

Well, that doesn’t necessarily pinpoint a time, because if you think about it, everything’s always happening. 

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Speaker 1

All right. But I guess it’s like we need to pinpoint the time of this show in our timeline. Then we need to understand that. Yeah. And the issue is, is that doesn’t that puts us literally anywhere after Avengers, the original Avengers. 

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Speaker 2

So it’s kind of on parallel paths of us. 

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Speaker 1

Yeah, which is funny because then again, we’re talking about timelines and multiverses and having one mean timeline. So I guess it’s hard to say what the effects of this show is going to be when we don’t know where it is. Yeah, which is probably the big point if we’re revealed. Lady Loki and the whole like poops about to hit the fan kind of thing in episode two, it’s. 

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Speaker 2

Going to get a lot bigger. 

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Speaker 1

Well, and I’m assuming then the wrap up of five and six or because they’ve been having like happy little girl happy endings. So if they follow that trend and they have a nice little wrap up episode, I’m going to say five into six more or like the beginning half of six, I’m assuming that’s going to be probably more of a reveal of where we are and where this is affecting us, because we’re not going to know that until then.

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Speaker 1

I mean, I that’s their big secret right now is we don’t know where Loki is going to come out. Essentially, he’s like in a hidden little like behind the curtain thing. We have no idea what he’s going to pop out in our actual timeline. Yeah, but anyway, to get on to about Lady Loki. So yeah, that happened. I am intrigued. 

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Speaker 1

I mean, like I said, I heard rumors it was going to happen. I just I don’t know how. Obviously, I understand she’s shapeshifting or that he can shapeshift and everything, so I definitely understand that. But I don’t I think it’s hard because there’s a lot of different comics and there’s a lot of different stories that can go along with Lady Loki. 

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Speaker 1

So I think that’s hard too, because there’s a whole thing about Asgard being reborn. There’s like a whole story about that. 

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Speaker 2

Yeah, I just think, I don’t know. I think there’s definitely going to be a lot. I’m interested to see how Loki’s mannerisms translate into Lady Loki. Like, I think she’s doing a really good job of keeping that kind of cocky. I’m better than you. I, you know, I’m above you that we very much saw in Loki in Avengers. 

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Speaker 2

So I really enjoyed kind of her interpretation of like those character traits. 

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Speaker 1

Well, I’m really intrigued because of where she comes in from, mainly because where does she come in from, You know, like she is she from a different timeline? I mean, where does this happen? 

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Speaker 2

She’s a variant, like all those other variants they showed at the beginning of the episode. 

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Speaker 1

Well, right. I just I don’t know. I’m just kind of really perplexed by her and how it all came about. I’m intrigued. I also think Loki is going to eventually wrap around to be more of a hero, since that’s the point. He’s kind of like a anti what is it? ANTIHERO Yeah, that’s what I thought. I was like, He’s like Deadpool. 

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Speaker 1

He is in like the best person out there, but he does. He’s going to do what is right at the end of the day, especially for himself, but in his own show, you know, he’s going to. So I do I do think that with him following her in there, I’m kind of upset because I hope this doesn’t mean that we don’t see a lot more movie or a lot less Mobius. 

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Speaker 2

I love them together. 

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Speaker 1

I like their banter, and I think I’m a little concerned. I also think he kind of just got himself in a lot of trouble because it looks like he did some questionable things. So I definitely think that doesn’t look great for him. But I don’t know, it was that was probably the biggest thing that happened in this episode that really left me kind of like what? 

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Speaker 1

Like what is going on? But I don’t know. 

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Speaker 2

I think so. I know you pointed out earlier that she’s blond, but I’d like to point something else out. Thor is the only blond child of Odin. I think it’s interesting that they chose to make this variant of Loki Blond more in keeping with the audience and family. 

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Speaker 1

Well, I have two things to say to that. First off, Hella, who is her mother? It’s not. 

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Speaker 2

It can’t be Frigga No. 

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Speaker 1

So that’s to say maybe this Loki is a form of actually the more of the Odin sense. Yeah. Would it be That’s the look of Odin. Odin daughter Yeah, I guess. 

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Speaker 2

Loki Odin. 

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Speaker 1

Daughter Yeah. The other thing which is going to take us and catapult us in a different direction, which is why I brought up the whole block walk. I’m not a fan of the blond because I was expecting her to come out with the dark hair, whatever. Besides the point, the other reason is, in the trailer we see someone with those short cut red hair in a black suit, which not saying she can’t change her clothing, but that’s so far not what this lady Loki looks like. 

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Speaker 1

Unless unless. Unless she is a shapeshifter, just like Loki. She can change how she looks. She can make her hair right if she really wanted to. However, I will just say for them to look like they’re on board mirror is a little questionable to me. 

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Speaker 2

Well, I mean. Yeah, I know, I know. Loki can go to any point in time. Like, couldn’t he literally go to that point in time and give Natasha the soul stone that was in the drawer and instead of her dying. 

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Speaker 1

Oh yeah, but he doesn’t have the stones on him right now. 

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Speaker 2

Although, I mean, it just could be in the future. Episode two But in the paper, it’s not exactly locked up. 

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Speaker 1

Well, but right now we have to think he is. Wherever Lady Loki went, he’s not even so far going to go back to the TVA, Right. 

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Speaker 2

I would just say so. 

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Speaker 1

I think it’s also interesting, though, now that I think about it. She left the doorway open for him. She wants him to follow her. She’s cool. I think it’s funny because she’s quite literally doing everything. Loki sat there and worn the TVA. That was a whole trapping everything, and she’s doing it to him and it’s working. Yeah, Yeah, I think that. 

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Speaker 1

So like, even the stalling, she did that, then the whole like even just leading him on to the she wants him to finally. 

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Speaker 2

Using that TVA agent as bait. I mean yeah. They were going to go after her anyway but I think there was like an act, probably an extra level of urgency knowing that their one of their own was, whoa, we missed something important that TVA agent 20 or whatever her name was, I think it was 20, the one.

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Speaker 1

She had had originally. Yes. Captured at the beginning of. Yeah. 

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Speaker 2

She gave her the location of the timekeepers. So it looks like Loki might get his wish of having an audience. 

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Speaker 1

My question is, I wonder what the trauma of this Loki is, because I think no matter what version of Loki you have, I don’t think you can have the God of mischief with no sort of trauma and issue in his life that made him the way he is. He can be a god of mischief without having issues. I mean, hello is the goddess of death and she really like to kill people. 

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Speaker 1

Yeah, but that were like. And she had trauma, all right. Like, I wouldn’t cast her. I really didn’t need her anymore. And that was his freaking daughter. Look, I get that, okay? I don’t know. What story does she want the timekeepers to write for her in the future? Because that’s the whole point. It’s not about killing them. There’s no reason to know. 

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Speaker 2

It’s not about taking over the TVA. I mean, if you think about it, I’m going to pull Kate in. You’re going to love this. What a pull from another Disney property once upon a time. And in the later seasons, the whole thing becomes, you know, they I don’t for those of you not familiar with the show, there’s a storybook and all of the character’s pasts are in the storybook. 

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Speaker 2

But in later seasons they try to find the author of the book in order to write certain characters. They’re happy ending because, you know, they were a past villain and they’re reformed. Whatever. 

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Speaker 1

Slight, slight spoiler, but not really below. 

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Speaker 2

I think your names. So but anyway, you know, you can kind of take that same premise and use it with the TVA if they’re still working out and untangling you know the the timelines. Well who’s to say that she can’t make it, that her timeline is the sacred timeline in her? She gets the future that she wants? Well, I think Loki was thinking too small picture on this one, like not big enough picture about what he could actually do with or not if he had power over the the through the timekeepers. 

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Speaker 2

Well, what and. 

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Speaker 1

That’s why I think it’s interesting. So she’s a variant, Right. And but I think what’s interesting is the whole point is that the sacred timeline is the main thing. Anything that skews off of it becomes a variant. If it hits too far, becomes a multiverse. That’s where the new timeline kind of starts. Or like, you know what, I’m trying. 

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Speaker 1

So yeah, so my thought is where did she come from though? Because you said she’s a variant, but she, she couldn’t have been a variant for more time, could she, Because our sacred timelines. Loki Is this Loki. 

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Speaker 2

Yeah, but they sure all those Loki’s and some of them were like beastly. 

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Speaker 1

But they belonged to different.

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Speaker 2

They were variants. 

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Speaker 1

Were they? 

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Speaker 2

He, they said that Loki is one of the most common variants they’ve had to deal with. 

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Speaker 1

They just so well, don’t. 

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Speaker 2

Forget Loki is considered Genderfluid. 

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Speaker 1

I’m sorry, but what he but in order for him to be a variant, wouldn’t he mean Loki have had to create these variants himself? 

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Speaker 2

Yeah, he would have to step off. 

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Speaker 1

So how did he not know that these were being made?

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Speaker 2

You know, because he’s this because this current Loki like 2012 Avengers Loki, they reset all those other variants, right? Oh, so. 

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Speaker 1

He wouldn’t have had any recognition. 

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Speaker 2

So as far as he’s concerned, he’s still gone, gone, gone, gone, gone. 

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Speaker 1

But he didn’t know that he had messed up all these other times. It right. So but what about with this one that kept getting away? So he created this variant somehow. Yeah, but you. 

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Speaker 2

Have to think there’s still you can reset it without the variant. So they reset. 

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Speaker 1

Remember that he did this right? 

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Speaker 2

So they reset him. So 2012, Loki is still sitting in the jail in Asgard right now. 

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Speaker 1

Gotcha. Yeah. Okay. 

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Speaker 2

So like, resets everything around them, but they zap, zap. Bye. By the variant itself. 

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Speaker 1

Okay, this is so confusing. This is like getting and especially now trying to figure out like, they keep using Nexis. And then I’m like, What does this do with the multiverse? Then I’m like, Are they what? 

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Speaker 2

Like, I guess if I. 

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Speaker 1

Understood it better last episode. 

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Speaker 2

My thought is like, okay, like, and that’s point is like a point that connects to, right? 

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Speaker 1

Right. 

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Speaker 2

So if you consider the nexus to be the point where one variant comes off the sacred timeline, if they reach red, it’s a nexus. That nexus point then becomes the connector between multiverse one like original sacred timeline.

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Speaker 1

Which is why we thought in Wandavision because she created a nexus, which is why we thought Quicksilver came from because she opened a gateway between her, our timeline and a possible other timeline. So what if something did come out? This doesn’t necessarily it saves us do with Loki directly. But what if something did come out of there? Like, would it. 

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Speaker 2

Be. 

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Speaker 1

Well, anything that we might not even know yet, but the thought being like something could have still come out of her nexus point. 

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Speaker 2

She created a reached multiverse level, though.

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Speaker 1

Well, but she might have only had to have reached one other. She might have started it. But think about when she grew it. She grew it and she made it so much bigger. It’s a massive gateway. 

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Speaker 2

But but that actual physical location is not a gateway. It’s the coming off of the timeline. And what was she was supposed to do That is the good fight. 

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Speaker 1

But she was also off of her timeline.

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Speaker 2

We don’t know that. How do we know that what she did was because I. 

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Speaker 1

Will say I don’t think that. Yeah. Now they seem to pick and choose their battles, which is one of my personal issues I’m already starting to realize with the TVA is they seem to be all like to the books, to the books, to the books until it’s everything that happened with the freakin MCU up until this point, because now it’s like, what? 

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Speaker 1

I’m not I’m not going to bring up everything we bought. We already bought the table last week. But, you know, I would like to think that they wouldn’t have had Wanda going off the rails. 

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Speaker 2

But if you think about it, like, why? 

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Speaker 1

But she’s a threat. Think about to how powerful had she not done that? She would never have opened up all her power. The Scarlet Witch’s not even you can’t even question the most powerful sorceress, sorcerer and everything. But the issue is. 

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Speaker 2

They can’t just remove powerful people. They didn’t just remove Phineas. They didn’t just remove the Sorcerer Supreme. So. Or like Captain Marvel, who probably not the same amount of power, but also these things are supposed to happen. So maybe she was supposed to step into the embodiment of this the Scarlet Witch this entire time, and fully embrace her powers. 

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Speaker 2

Maybe that’s what’s supposed to happen. So that’s why just because she created a little town and really freaked with some people in New Jersey, you know, they also stood by while half the universe got murdered. So it’s not like they have a moral compass in that sense. If it was meant to be happening, then it’s kosher with them. 

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Speaker 2

You know, it’s fine. 

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Speaker 1

Yeah, I guess it’s hard because it’s like we have to assume everything that’s happened was meant to happen, but some of it doesn’t. And I think I brought this up last week. Some of it doesn’t quite make sense when we look at like Gomorrah and even I know we’ve been pointing out issues now continuously with Steve’s ending by the books, not even like if you have issues with like not even if you look at it and you personally have issues like there are just holes in that. 

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Speaker 1

And when they tried to explain it, it just got worse. So I think it’s just hard because it’s like, okay, you want us to get this sacred timeline and be like, this is what it is, and anything past this shouldn’t have happened. But when you look at what The Avengers was supposed to go in back, like go back in time, they were supposed to do everything they did. 

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Speaker 1

But yet, like with the example of Gabor and Steve, shouldn’t what they did at the end then mess things up, you know, I mean, now to bring that back up but. 

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Speaker 2

Still on the boat that Steve going back in time they were okay with that Gomorrah though confuses me. 

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Speaker 1

Yeah I mean I know if you check out the blog, I also had brought up the issue with Steve going back in time only because there’s also the whole, you know, he has kids somewhere that hasn’t been touched on at all because Peggy had children. Yeah. So are they just going to completely ignore the fact that Captain America technically has kids running around that if he’s in his seventies or eighties or full grown adults, he might have grandkids superpowers? 

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Speaker 1

Well, to some degree it’s a watered down gene at that point. But they’re probably it’s probably he’s up here or you can’t really see me. He’s like, all those of. 

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Speaker 2

You who can’t see her hand was. 

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Speaker 1

High. 

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Speaker 2

And then was being lowered to make the second part of the point. 

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Speaker 1

I you can see me no one else. Okay. I’m sorry about that. Everyone, but they’re like halfway there. So I would assume they’re they’re like superhuman strong and probably move quicker. But they’re not up to Steve’s power. They’re also no Uncle Bucky. But, you know, whatever. They probably don’t even know Uncle Bucky because. 

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Speaker 2

It’s too busy assassinating. 

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Speaker 1

People and being brainwashed and tortured. But we don’t talk about it, so I know I brought that up in the blog post, too, which also kind of makes it like what is happening because it that was the thing. No one’s touching on it. Anyway. To go back to this this episode, I felt was like an episode five. 

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Speaker 2

Yeah, the stakes are high. 

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Speaker 1

Even the lead up. I am intrigued by the show. I’m interested, but I will say I am used to, especially from Marvel, a lot more action packed, a lot more. 

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Speaker 2

It’s very cerebral, this show. 

00:21:10:14 – 00:21:30:23

Speaker 1

Yeah. You need to be sitting there thinking. You need to be keeping up with what they’re saying. We had to honestly rewind it a couple of times just to understand them. Talking about the technology, to understand what they’re saying about timelines and stuff, because it’s just they’re throwing a lot of information at you. It’s not so much that you could sit there and be like, okay, like even Wandavision. 

00:21:30:23 – 00:21:53:21

Speaker 1

I think Wandavision was a good mix. I think if we kind of put them on a spectrum, you have the Falcon and the Winter Soldier very actually, very straightforward. Yeah. What we’re used to, which makes sense for what it was and the superheroes we see in it. And we had Wandavision, which was, you know, right down the middle, it had you thinking, and how’d you like what the heck is going on?

00:21:53:28 – 00:22:18:21

Speaker 1

But we had that superhero really in there, and we still saw a lot happening in the episodes. And I think maybe it’s because they were shorter too. You didn’t quite feel that like a long part of it. But I definitely think for Loki, I would think a lot for it and I would say about the first 30 minutes of this episode, it was a lot of you’re getting information thrown at you, you’re thinking a lot. 

00:22:18:21 – 00:22:30:08

Speaker 1

You’re trying to figure out what the heck is going on. So I’m definitely inside because I think this will be the pickup area. Mm hmm. I think this is where we’re going to see it start to really move along quicker. 

00:22:30:15 – 00:22:50:24

Speaker 2

Yeah, I think we’re done now with exposition, and I think we’re moving into a little more action. And I also like the idea that, you know, I don’t I don’t know where Lady Loki is going, but I would be intrigued to kind of continue down this path of visiting apocalypses. I think that’s an interesting thing. 

00:22:51:12 – 00:22:55:20

Speaker 1

But we do go back to Asgard at some point. You see that in trailers? Yeah. 

00:22:56:00 – 00:23:15:11

Speaker 2

So I’d be really I’d love to go back there. I think that’s, you know, that’s something that, you know, Ragnarok was amazing. I love the movie, but I’m definitely going to miss the actual physical location of Asgard as a place in the MCU. So even if we only get to go briefly, you know, just seem like a time traveling. 

00:23:15:11 – 00:23:20:08

Speaker 1

Time, we don’t we have no clue that Thor Love and Thunder is going to bring us you know. 

00:23:20:08 – 00:23:21:08

Speaker 2

Bring us Asgard. 

00:23:21:26 – 00:23:47:27

Speaker 1

Could it could bring us a new a new home, because they’re not going to stay on Earth. They can’t. So I would think that they’re going to find a new home of some sort. I mean, we have Valkyrie as the Queen. I forgot about that. Yeah. And Thor is going to return now. Bulk again, I have my issues with Fat Thor for many reasons as well, but, um, I don’t know. 

00:23:47:27 – 00:24:05:10

Speaker 1

I do think we’ll see, but we. Okay, we’ll see Asgard again. Not in the way we know it, but we’ll see it in Loki. At least the way we know it. But I’m. I’m just all around intrigued about. I would assume she’s going to the timekeepers. Shoot, That was the whole point of telling us she got the location, you know. 

00:24:05:19 – 00:24:07:06

Speaker 2

But maybe she’s playing a longer game. 

00:24:07:18 – 00:24:27:05

Speaker 1

Well, and maybe that’s why she’d end up on Asgard, because maybe that version of Loki doesn’t have a connection. As, by the way, that one like ours does. Entirely possible. So, I mean, and I mean, I it look even just look. He’s reading that file. He was going to cry and I know he played it off one movie. 

00:24:27:05 – 00:24:45:26

Speaker 1

Oh, who cares about that? Whatever we love, you know, that’s his home. But that was his home, just his people. And as of right now, Loki does not know that Thor is alive. He doesn’t he’s at this point. I mean, when he saw his life file and the last thing he saw was his brother over him before the ship blew up.

00:24:46:05 – 00:24:51:15

Speaker 1

And now he knows that Ragnarok blew up. Yeah, I know exactly what happened. And Asgard. 

00:24:51:15 – 00:24:53:28

Speaker 2

Blew up, and he doesn’t necessarily know in what order. 

00:24:54:01 – 00:24:57:23

Speaker 1

Exactly. So regardless, he’s like, Here are two catastrophic events. 

00:24:58:14 – 00:25:01:11

Speaker 2

And it’s entirely possible my brother made it out of neither. 

00:25:01:15 – 00:25:06:06

Speaker 1

Yeah, exactly. So I think that was a lot for him to have to. 

00:25:06:16 – 00:25:12:29

Speaker 2

Especially knowing that they had seeing that they had come to be brothers again and had created closure. 

00:25:13:02 – 00:25:32:04

Speaker 1

Well, at that point he knew he lost both his parents. He knew all he had left store. So I thought that was interesting. I don’t know. I mean, I wouldn’t be surprised. She goes to Asgard that can get into Loki’s head, but at some point he goes to the future because we see a very apocalyptic version of New York. 

00:25:33:00 – 00:25:46:10

Speaker 1

So that’s to come. And I’m super intrigued. What’s a what would be something that a big destruction that would have happened had it not been stopped by The Avengers. 

00:25:46:21 – 00:25:47:23

Speaker 2

The invasion of New York? Okay, facts. But that was Loki. So let’s take Loki out of town. Let’s ignore what happened. 

00:25:54:11 – 00:25:58:09

Speaker 2

Just trying to think about the 14 times that New York has been destroyed. 

00:25:58:26 – 00:26:11:26

Speaker 1

But it doesn’t even have to have happened in New York. It would have been so like Thanos. No, I said it before. I’m just waiting for you to get to it because I would love if it happened. Oh, all. 

00:26:11:29 – 00:26:17:18

Speaker 2

I thought you meant today, you know, all the way back to last week when Ultron. 

00:26:17:18 – 00:26:27:00

Speaker 1

No, what I’m saying, I mean, that would be. I just. I want to listen. I didn’t get him in Wandavision on. We could have had him. 

00:26:27:00 – 00:26:31:05

Speaker 2

Don’t even talk to me. Why He didn’t come out with James Spader’s voice. I will never understand. 

00:26:31:15 – 00:26:45:13

Speaker 1

But I would very deeply enjoy if that’s a version that he sees. If Lady Loki succeeds in whatever her mission is. I mean, I’m sure she wants to just wreak havoc. Well, if. 

00:26:45:13 – 00:26:58:15

Speaker 2

She creates the multiverse, maybe he has to go through and, you know, close up the different timelines, but whatever, ask the wrong terminology. But maybe there is a timeline where Ultron one. 

00:26:58:20 – 00:27:00:09

Speaker 1

Maybe there has to be. 

00:27:00:09 – 00:27:02:17

Speaker 2

I mean, maybe Vision chose not to kill. 

00:27:02:20 – 00:27:25:05

Speaker 1

I stood by this theory when Wandavision came out that we never saw Ultron die. Technically, we just see a blast of light. So and a lot of people pointed that out there. Like, just to be fair, we never actually saw the guy die. Not to mention as much as they tried so hard to not get any of his bots to get like to leave. 

00:27:25:26 – 00:27:32:02

Speaker 1

He had a lot of bots and they were also trying to save lives and not drop an entire city on the. 

00:27:32:02 – 00:27:34:00

Speaker 2

Air and busy getting shot. 

00:27:34:05 – 00:27:38:28

Speaker 1

Yeah. Oh no, I wasn’t ready for that one. 

00:27:39:20 – 00:27:42:08

Speaker 2

But I just can’t. Not when it comes to that movie. 

00:27:42:08 – 00:27:45:08

Speaker 1

But he is kraven now I know. 

00:27:45:09 – 00:27:47:06

Speaker 2

Which I guess makes sense. 

00:27:47:06 – 00:27:50:05

Speaker 1

And they said he’s going to fight the three Spider-Man. 

00:27:50:11 – 00:28:04:25

Speaker 2

Yeah. And for those of you who are unsure about who he is, we’re talking about Aaron Taylor-Johnson, who has previously portrayed Pedro Maximoff, the original, not the Evan Peters fake version in Age of Ultron. 

00:28:04:28 – 00:28:24:26

Speaker 1

Yeah, the OG for the MCU. For those who are also big fans of watching the X-Men, I don’t want to negate him being the OG in that one. Or Evan Peters, as you say, being the OG in that one, but the OG of the MCU being Aaron Taylor-Johnson, very excited to see him return. I think he’s going to do great as a Kraven. 

00:28:25:26 – 00:28:28:28

Speaker 2

I’m excited too. I mean, I think he’s I think he’s awesome.

 00:28:28:28 – 00:28:32:14

Speaker 1

He’s going to bulk up ten times harder. You know what I ran into the previous two. 

00:28:32:14 – 00:28:37:23

Speaker 2

Yeah, he is. And I think it was disappointing to only get him for like, you know, seven eight so movie. 

00:28:37:25 – 00:28:51:29

Speaker 1

Yeah especially he had so much potential. I mean the twins in general had so much potential and a part of it’s bittersweet watching Wanda come into herself and her brother. I mean what would he have been like? What would he have been able to do? 

00:28:52:06 – 00:28:55:00

Speaker 2

Well, she wouldn’t have lost her mind so many times. Well. 

00:28:55:08 – 00:29:06:22

Speaker 1

But apparently that was supposed to happen for Wanda. Like, imagine having a TV agent look you in the face and say everything that was happening to you and has happened to you was supposed to. happen when you created those children out of your head and then had to kill them. That was supposed to, but yet. 

00:29:11:27 – 00:29:32:17

Speaker 1

They still exist. I just the problem is, is I think this show is creating so many more questions and I really hope it answers a lot of them in the next four episodes. But I’m so scared because one thing I’ve noticed Marvel starting to do is they create questions they can’t answer, which they have not done up until probably around Endgame. 

00:29:33:14 – 00:29:40:16

Speaker 1

They were very consistent. And maybe this is because they’re delving in a lot more to the whole space and the whole out. 

00:29:40:19 – 00:29:56:12

Speaker 2

Me though, if you think about it like End Game was both in and in the beginning, right? So we saw phases one through three close. So we got all the answers for every question, I would say for one through three. But yes, it. 

00:29:56:12 – 00:29:58:25

Speaker 1

Did pose, I guess, 90%. 

00:29:59:02 – 00:30:06:10

Speaker 2

But it did pose new questions then for phase four. And I think it’s too early to say, oh, well, they’re not answering any questions. 

00:30:06:10 – 00:30:22:21

Speaker 1

I mean, just thought. I just mean even with like Wandavision and I like I think it’s hard because I say this in the way of like they are creating questions and they’re kind of just leaving them there. But then they’re doing the whole little I’m happily wrapping up the show. 

00:30:23:16 – 00:30:35:26

Speaker 2

I But it’s supposed to like not every movie, like every movie has wrapped, but it’s still left. QUESTION So I don’t think you know, I think if they do that in a show, it’s fine because they’re going to be answered by other movies, other properties, which is.

00:30:35:26 – 00:31:00:17

Speaker 1

What I but my only my only concern is because Wandavision Oh, okay. It was like a trick for your mind. You were all over the place on Wandavision, Right? Well, great. That was the point. I loved it. Literally no complaints about Wandavision. No. Loved it. I just think with her creating the hex and the possibilities of the hex and we see, you know, that there could be possible additional impact. 

00:31:00:19 – 00:31:18:06

Speaker 1

I mean, that was a lot of power that girl had. Go in there, you know, what was like, You want me to just think she like, let the walls down and everything went back to normal? Like, I don’t know, that just seemed off to me. And now with Loki, they’re creating so many questions with the timelines, with the multiverses, and we’re so close. 

00:31:18:18 – 00:31:43:05

Speaker 1

You know, come December, I expect absolute mayhem. So I just am like, I really hope we’re not creating all this. I don’t want to say like, epilog, that’s not the word. I’m looking for it all and I can’t think of the word closure. No, I guess narrative, to be honest. I hope I just hope we’re not creating all this narrative. 

00:31:43:13 – 00:31:54:22

Speaker 1

I mean, even with I’m trying to explain the whole time thing right now. I’m like, be careful, because they’re issue is right now they’re trying so desperately to explain time that it’s getting like, okay, but. 

00:31:54:22 – 00:31:55:00

Speaker 2

Is. 

00:31:55:00 – 00:31:57:07

Speaker 1

This going to fit with what you hope to do in the future? 

00:31:57:24 – 00:32:03:20

Speaker 2

I would just think that it would have to. I mean, Kevin’s been really good about consistency so far and like, he has a plan, right? 

00:32:03:20 – 00:32:08:19

Speaker 1

You would say you would have to, But look at Gomora and I’m game and how we’re trying to explain time. 

00:32:08:19 – 00:32:13:29

Speaker 2

But I mean yeah, but you don’t know that that’s not going to be addressed in her own franchise. So I think it’s too early. 

00:32:13:29 – 00:32:15:00

Speaker 1

To be coming back in. 

00:32:15:22 – 00:32:31:18

Speaker 2

I mean, they’re not going to tell us that she’s doing that. That would be a major spoiler. So, you know, doesn’t happen, but it’s possible. So I think it’s too early to judge them because I franchise is probably going to pick up her story. No, I understand. And Peter Quill is going to leave her alone. 

00:32:31:18 – 00:32:40:02

Speaker 1

But that’s not that’s not the issue. I’m just saying if we go back to her original issue that she’s not in her correct time and Right. 

00:32:40:02 – 00:32:43:08

Speaker 2

But that could be resolved in her movie. Maybe we’re just not seeing it.

00:32:43:13 – 00:33:07:23

Speaker 1

I don’t know. This whole time variance thing seems weird to me. And I just am hoping that we don’t create a lot of ish like a lot of future issues, knowing that the time variance is there, if that makes sense. Yeah. You know, knowing that there’s someone with the whole because this is great for right now, but even you said, hey, they’re going to do this in the future, like the time variance authority’s going to be around. 

00:33:08:11 – 00:33:18:29

Speaker 1

Okay, what does that mean? What are we expecting from that? Because like, I just don’t want to see it be like, Oh, well, the TVA can because they’re so powerful. 

00:33:18:29 – 00:33:22:26

Speaker 2

It’s like, spoiler alert, Loki takes them over and lets everyone do whatever they want. 

00:33:24:07 – 00:33:54:20

Speaker 1

Could you imagine that’d be so funny? No. And I just. I don’t know. I’m excited to see what happens. I’m just getting stressed out. And I think it’s because I’m so confused. And at least with like, wandavision there were by watching episode one and two, it’s like, okay, there’s like eight episodes left, you know, and knowing there’s only four and knowing that, you know, as of so far, they’ve spent a lot of the time explaining things to me and I’m like, Okay, what’s the next step? 

00:33:55:07 – 00:33:58:19

Speaker 2

True. But I think that if we’re going to compare it to shows, I think that. 

00:33:59:12 – 00:34:15:11

Speaker 1

Oh, I’m not I’m just saying with what I knew, I had more time to see where it was going to wrap around. And I’m just like, I’m not concerned. I don’t want to use concern. I just I’m anxious to see how they’re going to be doing it, because so far, we’re now a third of our way into this. 

00:34:15:11 – 00:34:16:01

Speaker 1

And I’m like, okay. 

00:34:16:10 – 00:34:20:25

Speaker 2

But I think we’re talking where a soldier was like that, too, Like the first two episodes were setting up. 

00:34:21:02 – 00:34:24:08

Speaker 1

All right. But that was not as big of a concept, right? That’s my only. 

00:34:24:12 – 00:34:35:07

Speaker 2

But that’s why I don’t mind that they’re taking two episodes to set it up, because now we have more context, we have more background. So then when they get to the action, we don’t have to wonder and be like, Wait, how is this happening? Because now I. 

00:34:35:11 – 00:34:42:18

Speaker 1

Get everything to sit there and be like, How is this happening? Because I know I thought I understood time travel and then they start now. 

00:34:42:18 – 00:34:46:01

Speaker 2

I made a mistake of thinking I understood time travel well. I thought I had a slight. 

00:34:46:01 – 00:34:58:28

Speaker 1

Grasp on it and then they start throwing the word next. So it’s like, okay, never mind. But I am really intrigued by Lady Loki because she doesn’t seem to think like Loki. 

00:34:59:16 – 00:35:01:18

Speaker 2

She uses his tricks, though. 

00:35:02:29 – 00:35:21:27

Speaker 1

She definitely seems more evolved. And I think to your point of she uses his tricks, I think she almost ironically uses them like, yeah, especially considering she’s been using mainly most of them against him. I think she what she like likes the fact that he thinks she’s got her all figured. 

00:35:21:27 – 00:35:25:25

Speaker 2

Out because he knows what her tricks are and yet he still leads the team into a trap. 

00:35:26:11 – 00:35:28:00

Speaker 1

Yeah, he, he and. 

00:35:28:00 – 00:35:33:09

Speaker 2

I don’t think that leaving that candy for that kid, that wasn’t a mistake that was in. 

00:35:33:09 – 00:35:49:12

Speaker 1

There is a whole like, comic book reference to the has to do with like a whole lady Loki and a kid and it’s weird. They’re also I don’t think it’s the same storyline There’s a do something with Mephisto so let’s just not even talk. 

00:35:49:13 – 00:35:54:02

Speaker 2

I just mean I just mean leaving that candy as a clue. Like I don’t think that was in the she wants. 

00:35:54:02 – 00:35:57:27

Speaker 1

To be found. She wanted things to happen has been happening. Well that’s what I wanted. 

00:35:57:27 – 00:36:01:04

Speaker 2

Them to be there when her moment of triumph. 

00:36:01:14 – 00:36:19:07

Speaker 1

And think about it doesn’t literally why she left that doorway open for Loki. Yeah close the second after he would have stayed open probably until someone else went through it. But she left it open knowing he would follow her. He cannot be bet Bess bested by himself, same as she won’t allow. That is something they have in common. 

00:36:19:07 – 00:36:30:10

Speaker 1

She will not allow herself to be bested. Mm hmm. They these. They do have common things. But she definitely. Whether Loki wants to argue it, she’s definitely up on him. 

00:36:30:18 – 00:36:34:16

Speaker 2

Yeah, it makes me think she’s been a variant for a long, long time.

00:36:34:22 – 00:36:52:15

Speaker 1

They said she has been. The thing is, is she to. And now I know I think we talked about this a little bit last episode how long because we had talked about, okay, well she’s going through our time. She’s doing all this think about this. They said within the last week she’s attacked like six of our teams. That was from last episode. 

00:36:53:11 – 00:37:13:06

Speaker 1

If she takes one of those time, redo her thingies, those little pods. I thought, listen, I tried. She had at least, like 30 of them. Yeah. So she has been doing this. If she kept up with six at time for at least five weeks. But time moves differently in TVA, which is why I also think it’s a little weird. 

00:37:13:07 – 00:37:16:27

Speaker 1

They said six within one week because they said time moves differently. 

00:37:16:27 – 00:37:19:27

Speaker 2

Well, their version of a week, but doesn’t necessarily mean that their week. 

00:37:19:28 – 00:37:23:04

Speaker 1

So even long timeline, you would think even longer. 

00:37:23:04 – 00:37:26:09

Speaker 2

Then it could be like Loki this Loki’s entire lifetime. 

00:37:26:25 – 00:37:41:01

Speaker 1

Exactly so she’s been building up to this and I think that’s really that’s like a really interesting factor when you think about it. It’s like she clearly has come into herself. She knows her about like she. 

00:37:41:01 – 00:37:44:27

Speaker 2

Knows how to use the technology, the TVA technology against them. 

00:37:45:23 – 00:38:03:20

Speaker 1

Which is part of why I wonder a theory that I kind of had last week, what if they had captured her initially as a variant and they didn’t kill her right away or something? Because then she initially had that. What made her know about the TVA? You know, I mean, well, I’m sure they’ve been trying to capture her. 

00:38:03:20 – 00:38:16:06

Speaker 1

Well, yeah, but what did she do? Just start randomly taking those things, hoping she could figure out, you know, I mean, she knows that technology. And I think that’s more of a think about this Loki. Watch those videos, studied all that stuff and he knows all that information now about all of it. 

00:38:17:05 – 00:38:22:08

Speaker 2

I mean, it’s entirely possible that there’s more of a history there between the TVA and Lady Loki. 

00:38:22:08 – 00:38:23:05

Speaker 1

There has to be. 

00:38:23:14 – 00:38:32:00

Speaker 2

It wouldn’t be the first time that a larger organization is using a hero in order to cover up their own mistakes, doing something shady. 

00:38:32:00 – 00:38:34:29

Speaker 1

They don’t mention their part in it. Oh yeah. 

00:38:35:01 – 00:38:41:22

Speaker 2

I just conveniently forget that time that we actually kind of enabled her, like made her the way she is. 

00:38:42:08 – 00:38:48:12

Speaker 1

Well, that’s what I mean. And that’s why I think, you know, I don’t I’m not saying Mobius, because I love him on. 

00:38:48:22 – 00:38:50:16

Speaker 2

I believe he’s the purest soul alive. 

00:38:50:16 – 00:39:00:20

Speaker 1

Yeah, but I do think that the TVA, it does it right And I’m sorry, but that the I don’t know who the judge or whatever. I don’t know if he’s actually been given a full name. 

00:39:00:20 – 00:39:02:24

Speaker 2

She, she but it’s long and it starts with an R. 

00:39:02:26 – 00:39:08:00

Speaker 1

Okay. Well then lady’s name who starts with an arm. She seems so sketchy. 

00:39:08:05 – 00:39:10:06

Speaker 2

I was just going to say the same thing. She is so. 

00:39:10:06 – 00:39:10:24

Speaker 1

Sketchy. 

00:39:10:24 – 00:39:12:06

Speaker 2

Buttoned up and so. 

00:39:12:06 – 00:39:35:11

Speaker 1

Even is that the fact she still talks to the that she’s the one who’s in with the like the time keepers and then she what did she say? Oh, about how the timekeepers are watching this very carefully and they’re really hands on this one. And it’s like, I wonder why? Because clearly something she Lady Loki knows too much to have just randomly stumbled on on TV.

 00:39:36:00 – 00:39:45:03

Speaker 1

Yeah. You know, something happened there. She knows of all the timekeepers to begin with. Like, you could suck me into the TVA. And I would never have question about timekeepers unless you told me about. 

00:39:45:04 – 00:39:53:14

Speaker 2

She knows the Minutemen in their technology. She knows how to lure them in. She knows what kind of variant to create in order to get them to come to her. 

00:39:53:14 – 00:40:22:14

Speaker 1

So everything our Loki has figured out so far, she has figured out way before. Yeah. So that. Oh, that leads me to think that they definitely had her. There’s a history. Yeah, there’s a history and, and something and that’s why she’s going as a timekeepers something is they did something and I wonder if it’s to watch whatever story they gave her, you know, whatever her whole story is supposed to be, you know, and. 

00:40:22:14 – 00:40:26:05

Speaker 2

Well, she’s Loki so I don’t know and it’s that but I do think but. 

00:40:26:06 – 00:40:31:14

Speaker 1

I think the story they gave her is not that hers. It’s Loki’s. 

00:40:31:25 – 00:40:32:17

Speaker 2

I don’t understand. 

00:40:32:18 – 00:40:52:13

Speaker 1

It doesn’t mean she is not the main character in her own story using quotations in her own story. Right. So they can she if she goes after them, she can change that, make her demand. Look, that’s my point. You’re saying she’s not happy with the story they gave her because her story technically is not hers? 

00:40:52:15 – 00:40:54:11

Speaker 2

Well, it is like it is. 

00:40:54:21 – 00:41:03:05

Speaker 1

But it’s are Loki’s, right? Right. That’s what I’m trying to say. So I don’t know. She’s very intriguing to me. 

00:41:03:28 – 00:41:11:19

Speaker 2

Cool. So a couple of things to watch out for as a back history back story between Lady Loki and the timekeepers. 

00:41:12:05 – 00:41:14:09

Speaker 1

And I think she’s going to be the one to tell it to us. 

00:41:14:15 – 00:41:14:29

Speaker 2

Oh, for. 

00:41:14:29 – 00:41:16:16

Speaker 1

Sure. Because no way. 

00:41:16:16 – 00:41:17:26

Speaker 2

The TVA is going to air their own.

 00:41:17:26 – 00:41:27:25

Speaker 1

Not even that, though. He’s with her now. Yeah, she’s going to suck him into her entire background, understand everything. He’s going to go through an entire. Oh, my gosh. Now what do I do with my life? 

00:41:27:27 – 00:41:33:24

Speaker 2

I’m like, God, the government like entity that I’ve been trying to undermine this whole time. 

00:41:34:02 – 00:41:36:15

Speaker 1

Technically undermines me. I mean. 

00:41:36:24 – 00:41:37:20

Speaker 2

The trickster. 

00:41:37:20 – 00:41:50:12

Speaker 1

God. Yeah. Yeah. He will take it very offensively. Oh, of course. I know. I would have to watch the trailer again, but I would like to go through and see how many more interactions we see in the trailer with him and Mobius that we haven’t seen already. 

00:41:51:04 – 00:42:01:05

Speaker 2

Yeah, a lot of that has been played out. To be fair though, what they did with Falcon and the Winter Soldier, a lot of the clips that they showed before the first two episodes, same with Wandavision. 

00:42:01:13 – 00:42:18:17

Speaker 1

A lot of the clips they showed let up until, I believe, the fifth episode. We saw nothing of the sixth because I remember the very last scene that I wrote and I remember pointing this out to you when we were watching it. They were throwing the shield around at Sam’s house and I, I even said I said I thought this was the ending. 

00:42:18:23 – 00:42:20:10

Speaker 1

And there was a whole episode when. 

00:42:21:01 – 00:42:23:24

Speaker 2

Were from the first couple of days. Yes. Same thing with Wandavision. 

00:42:23:24 – 00:42:24:26

Speaker 1

But my point this the. 

00:42:24:28 – 00:42:26:29

Speaker 2

Different time periods, we never saw them in modern day. 

00:42:28:07 – 00:42:42:10

Speaker 2

So just because you only see so many interactions, it’s entirely possible that the rest of their interactions are actually really important to the crux of the story and can actually be shown without giving away some major spoilers. 

00:42:42:10 – 00:43:07:08

Speaker 1

But either way, I mean, even if we do just for an hour, take out the fact that a lot of them came from the first two episodes, it makes you think how much are we going to see the TVA with Loki being on the scene for sure, on the same side without any possible tiffs happening? Yeah, like a lot of the scenes that I can think of are just Loki in a lot of different time areas and a lot different places. 

00:43:07:21 – 00:43:14:14

Speaker 1

Yeah. So I’m intrigued. I’m excited because we’re finally getting to to the meat. 

00:43:14:24 – 00:43:21:23

Speaker 2

Yeah. Let’s quickly do a little Easter egg watch here because there were a couple that we missed last week. 

00:43:22:10 – 00:43:23:26

Speaker 1

We will admit to it. Yeah. 

00:43:24:27 – 00:43:26:04

Speaker 2

The biggie being. 

00:43:26:09 – 00:43:26:24

Speaker 1

Peggy. 

00:43:27:03 – 00:43:31:14

Speaker 2

Our little friend Peggy Carter. Peggy Carter Rogers. Did I just say that? 

00:43:31:19 – 00:43:32:15

Speaker 1

Oh, my gosh. 

00:43:32:15 – 00:43:35:28

Speaker 2

At least I didn’t make you angry. 

00:43:35:28 – 00:43:44:08

Speaker 1

I don’t even want you here. Any reaction? I want. I don’t even want you with her. Oh, God, that doesn’t even sound good, Peggy, right? 

00:43:44:09 – 00:43:48:15

Speaker 2

Yeah. I said Peggy Carter Rogers. There’s no way that woman is getting rid of her. 

00:43:48:15 – 00:43:50:09

Speaker 1

I’m sure she doesn’t even take his name. 

00:43:50:23 – 00:44:13:26

Speaker 2

Anyway, Margaret Carter, in the background of one of the scenes, we’ll know he’s kind of roaming around the TVA. We did miss that. Full disclosure. We come upstairs and we pretty much record this 5 to 10 minutes after we’ve watched the episode for the first time. So, you know, there are some things we miss and then we check out some sites and some videos later on and then we’re like, Oh crap, we miss that.

00:44:13:28 – 00:44:38:10

Speaker 1

And just to let you all know, while we do that and it’s not great because we do miss it in the podcast, we do try to wrap it up a little bit more in the blog, so make sure you check that out, because I always post the podcast and then I talk about some of the things we did miss, including for last episode that Peggy was just wandering around in the back of a scene that neither of us catch or Oh my gosh. 

00:44:38:10 – 00:44:50:12

Speaker 1

So in the list, to be fair, I have done a lot of work today and my brain dead, gone and Loki killing it right now. 

00:44:50:25 – 00:45:05:17

Speaker 2

But anyway, we say all that to say that there are some Easter eggs that we did spend some extra brainpower here looking for today. So we just want to kind of run through those real quick. For those of you who may just casually watch like we kind of did last. 

00:45:05:17 – 00:45:05:24

Speaker 1

B. 

00:45:06:29 – 00:45:15:03

Speaker 2

First being a Penn from Franklin D Roosevelt High School. So I did a little digging right before we got on this podcast. 

00:45:15:03 – 00:45:27:18

Speaker 1

Let’s just clarify this came in on the scene where Mobius is talking to the judge. Judge Lady. Judge Ah, yeah. And it’s the pen that she hands in to sign the form with. 

00:45:27:19 – 00:45:30:04

Speaker 2

To go out on some field mission. 

00:45:30:06 – 00:45:33:24

Speaker 1

Well, the one where they run into Lady Loki, that’s not. 

00:45:33:27 – 00:45:39:06

Speaker 2

The big field, the one that’s kind of the climax of end of that.

 00:45:39:06 – 00:45:42:28

Speaker 1

But according to Taylor, just some big guy in some field mission. 

00:45:44:00 – 00:45:44:21

Speaker 2

So if. 

00:45:45:25 – 00:45:47:13

Speaker 1

She now I mean, no. 

00:45:47:13 – 00:46:23:22

Speaker 2

Wonder she has a pen that says Franklin D Roosevelt High School. I did some digging and found some articles. So apparently there is no Franklin Roosevelt High School in the MCU, but some other people did some digging. Franklin Roosevelt High School is in Brooklyn. There is one notable character from Brooklyn that the article that I read mentioned, which was Molecule Man, who has some radioactive like powers with molecules and things of the like, It was very sciencey and so I kind of skimmed it. 

00:46:24:02 – 00:46:25:12

Speaker 1

New York I guess. 

00:46:26:10 – 00:46:42:14

Speaker 2

But all you really need to know is that he has some run ins with the Fantastic Four who of course are slated to come at some point or another. So this could be a fun little call out to the first family of comics who may be coming. 

00:46:42:25 – 00:46:50:25

Speaker 1

To a summer rather than later. Do you remember during Wandavision, we were like, This is it. This is the Fantastic Four? I seven, nine. 

00:46:50:25 – 00:47:00:27

Speaker 2

Though believe that the people who bought Start the Tower are in the first Spider-Man homecoming. That is going to be the Baxter building. 

00:47:01:07 – 00:47:03:24

Speaker 1

That our Oscorp both would be interesting. 

00:47:03:24 – 00:47:04:22

Speaker 2

Both would be good. 

00:47:05:16 – 00:47:35:07

Speaker 1

But I think they’ll do they’ll do the back of the building only because with the possibility and the likelihood of the Sinister Six coming in to theaters this this December around coming to a theater near you this December holiday season. But because of that, I don’t know if they are going to go. The odds are also considering we’ve seen it in the other two spidey’s and now it’s tied like we could really bring in the Fantastic Four. 

00:47:35:08 – 00:47:37:18

Speaker 1

That would be a big opening. Now that’s like legal. 

00:47:38:27 – 00:48:11:10

Speaker 2

So but anyway, so that was the pen in case you guys were wondering why there was a close up on that pen. And then the other one. So was it Roxie Hart was the supermarket in which Lady Loki does her, her grand, her grand scheme comes to fruition, blowing things. So this was something that caught my eye because I really enjoyed watching Cloak and Dagger, which unfortunately was canceled. 

00:48:11:10 – 00:48:38:15

Speaker 2

It was on Freeform. It was on Hulu, may or may not be still on Hulu, not part of the MCU canonically, but for those of you who just like watching superhero shows, I highly recommend it. I was a big, big fan. But in that show, Rocks Corp is a major part of the show. I believe it’s been a couple of years since I’ve watched it, but I believe they were kind of responsible for cloak and dagger getting their powers. 

00:48:38:15 – 00:48:48:16

Speaker 2

So definitely a big part of the end of Marvel Comics. They have been featured in the MCU and little cameo spots here and there. 

00:48:49:09 – 00:48:50:23

Speaker 1

I don’t know that anything with the Corp. 

00:48:51:06 – 00:49:23:21

Speaker 2

Well, yeah, that’s that’s the whole point. But someone, you know, was pointing out and I kind of picked up on this too. The spelling rocks, part Rock six, part spelled the same way as Rock’s corp. 0xx Corp is either a call out or potentially a subsidiary of the very famous Rock Corp. So that could something else could just be a call out, could be that, you know, the connotations coming in in a bigger way, which would be super fun because I personally love Cloak and Dagger. 

00:49:23:21 – 00:49:24:20

Speaker 2

So they brought that in. 

00:49:24:29 – 00:49:44:04

Speaker 1

And I suppose would be really, really interesting if they were on the future at that point. They were well for it for like, Yeah, we’re from where the MCU is right now, 25 years. Yeah. So I think that that would be interesting. I mean, are we going be here in 25 years doing this? I well.

 00:49:45:03 – 00:49:47:15

Speaker 2

And I hope there’s a lot of you listening by then. 

00:49:47:21 – 00:49:53:19

Speaker 1

Yeah. Like we actually yeah. And maybe you guys will understand what I’m trying to do my head visuals, you know. 

00:49:53:19 – 00:49:54:18

Speaker 2

What I’m talking about. 

00:49:56:00 – 00:50:08:02

Speaker 1

But you know, I don’t know. I, I think it’s so hard because you look so closely for the Easter eggs, but it’s like, what the heck do they mean? Sometimes they’re just there. But like, even like Peggy last week, is this supposed to mean more? 

00:50:08:03 – 00:50:09:26

Speaker 2

I would think it’s more fun. 

00:50:09:26 – 00:50:18:26

Speaker 1

Hey, but think about this. Where’s Maggie? They were, like, arresting her. And usually if that that means that she was a variant, which means she should be getting zapped. 

00:50:19:05 – 00:50:22:04

Speaker 2

Like they book them first and they judge and then they zips up. 

00:50:22:09 – 00:50:28:01

Speaker 1

Yeah, but they’re. They’re usually guilty. That’s the whole point of the. Oh, I know. So that’s all kind of like. 

00:50:28:17 – 00:50:30:08

Speaker 2

Maybe that’s the Peggy that married Steve. 

00:50:30:25 – 00:50:55:15

Speaker 1

That would make my day. Yeah. I like Peggy. Love you, but not that version of you. What if they just zips up? I mean, like, I know that’s the only Steve around. That would be low key. Funny is all heck. Like. Like it wouldn’t be like. It won’t be. No, honestly, I’d be okay with the ending if they said they were just like, Yeah, they got zapped. 

00:50:55:15 – 00:51:00:02

Speaker 1

And then it sounds like, okay, thanks. That’s all I needed. 

00:51:00:16 – 00:51:01:23

Speaker 2

You’re a cruel, unfair. 

00:51:01:23 – 00:51:22:07

Speaker 1

Listen, I’ve been living with a terrible life form for the past. I don’t know what your father, dude. It’s. Mm hmm. I just. I stand by the fact of, like, I just know now. I don’t know. I’m pretty excited. I’m more most excited now for next week’s episode. 

00:51:22:17 – 00:51:25:08

Speaker 2

I really wanna see Loki in the horns. So I’m.

00:51:25:08 – 00:51:26:21

Speaker 1

Oh, we do know that comes. 

00:51:26:21 – 00:51:33:22

Speaker 2

Yeah. I’m really ready for horned Loki, which we haven’t seen since the first Avengers. When was he. 

00:51:33:22 – 00:51:58:07

Speaker 1

Horned Ragnarok And I really I mean yeah yeah there’s talk of you um, he hasn’t He does the whole horn flip in everything. He wears it in the battle. They literally showed it to him in or he watched it. I should say in the first episode he was more clearly something you were not paying to do either, because that one was obvious. 

00:51:58:13 – 00:52:08:07

Speaker 1

That wasn’t even an Easter egg. That was just a longer plot. He literally has his helmet on and then he takes it off. There’s a slo mo where he flips it, hits people with it, cuts people with it. 

00:52:08:17 – 00:52:10:02

Speaker 2

It’s been a long time since I’ve watched. 

00:52:10:15 – 00:52:18:24

Speaker 1

Ragnarok is one of two of my favorite things. So I believe it was show that I got it. 

00:52:19:00 – 00:52:20:00

Speaker 2

I think I was really focusing on his relationship with Thor and the beautiful moment he had Justine when they did get help. So my head was still on, get help, but my eyes were watching the horns and they really just didn’t marry the two together. Claire didn’t just regularly just didn’t register. 

00:52:34:08 – 00:52:36:24

Speaker 1

Well, now let’s negate the point. Yes. 

00:52:37:25 – 00:52:41:23

Speaker 2

Either way, it’s been too long since Loki’s been harmed. That’s all I want to say. 

00:52:42:18 – 00:52:43:00

Speaker 1

Sure. 

00:52:43:09 – 00:52:45:09

Speaker 2

I just like. I just like the comic book. 

00:52:45:09 – 00:52:48:27

Speaker 1

It’s been too long since he’s been alive, so, I mean, I’m happy for it. 

00:52:48:29 – 00:52:51:06

Speaker 2

I just really like. I like the comic book look.

00:52:51:11 – 00:52:57:03

Speaker 1

Yeah. Yeah. And I think he’s been fairly accurate in a lot of his. So I’m pretty cool with that. 

00:52:57:09 – 00:53:11:22

Speaker 2

Yeah. And I’m just excited to see it again. That’s all I’m saying. I know it comes, so I’m looking forward to that shot and also just a little bit more. He’s so on and he feels muted, like he’s not the exuberant Loki we’re used to, which, to be fair. 

00:53:11:25 – 00:53:13:25

Speaker 1

Maybe that’s what it is for me. 

00:53:14:08 – 00:53:18:13

Speaker 2

But I’m looking forward to him kind of getting his mojo back. 

00:53:18:14 – 00:53:34:15

Speaker 1

Yeah, well, I mean, I think a lot of that has to do with the characters he was always with. I think he was like, I mean, him with Thor, I think is a great like they just play off each other. I mean, they’re obviously brothers. So that’s the whole point. So I think maybe that’s part of it too. 

00:53:34:15 – 00:53:38:20

Speaker 1

It’s just weird not seeing him with the person he does, the banter with, the person he. 

00:53:39:06 – 00:53:39:22

Speaker 2

I really. 

00:53:39:22 – 00:53:41:28

Speaker 1

See as over 9000 times I was in there. 

00:53:41:28 – 00:53:56:04

Speaker 2

Watching him come alive more when he’s with Mobius. Yeah. Which I really enjoy. That’s why I think I really enjoy those scenes together because I think he has a similar banter, like relationship with Mobius, like he did with Thor. Yeah, he did with honestly, Mark Ruffalo. 

00:53:56:17 – 00:53:57:17

Speaker 1

In Ragnarok. 

00:53:57:18 – 00:53:58:10

Speaker 2

A little bit. Honestly, I. 

00:53:58:10 – 00:54:17:26

Speaker 1

Think maybe the other part that’s hard right now is we’re so used to him being like, quote unquote, the villain, but he’s like, You love him so much, even though he just screws people over. But now he’s kind of starting to be like somewhat good. And it’s just weird. It’s not what you’re used to from Loki. And I think. 

00:54:17:26 – 00:54:27:13

Speaker 2

That’s what I mean. We didn’t get a lot of it in Ragnarok, like it happens at the very tail end. You’re like, Yes, Loki, He’s rehabilitated, and then he literally gets his neck snapped. And honestly, though. 

00:54:27:13 – 00:54:42:28

Speaker 1

I think part of that comes from we see his entire character arc from 2012 to the 20 or we in 2020 or 2018 at that point. Yeah. So we see a six year character arc and right now we’re not. We’re almost having that happen within a few episodes.

 00:54:43:05 – 00:54:44:06

Speaker 2

Yeah, it’s very jarring. 

00:54:44:06 – 00:54:55:25

Speaker 1

So yeah, I think that’s throwing it off because we see where he comes and where he goes versus now it’s like mature and become a better version of yourself now. 

00:54:55:28 – 00:54:57:25

Speaker 2

Yeah, because he had two movies to do that before. 

00:54:57:26 – 00:54:59:20

Speaker 1

Yeah. And I mean equivalent. 

00:54:59:20 – 00:55:00:25

Speaker 2

To about four episodes. 

00:55:00:28 – 00:55:14:08

Speaker 1

Yeah. And then with Infinity War being his, the climax of it and everything. Yeah. But I mean, I’m excited. I hope you guys all excited. I’ve hoped that you’ve liked it so far because I mean, it’s Loki. 

00:55:15:02 – 00:55:16:05

Speaker 2

What’s not to like? 

00:55:16:07 – 00:55:27:21

Speaker 1

Like, I mean, even if it’s so far been a little slower, I’m excited. I hope you guys are excited because it’s going to happen. Next episode is really going to break things open even more. 

00:55:28:02 – 00:55:48:10

Speaker 2

Yeah. All right, guys. That is all we’ve got for today. So just keep remembering to look out for new episodes, like subscribe comments, because it really does help others find the show. And also check out the blog, which is linked in the show description below. 

00:55:48:12 – 00:56:05:29

Speaker 1

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