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Taylor: Hello. Hello and welcome to this week’s episode of Let’s Talk Marvel fan theories, the podcast. Today we’ll be discussing the crazy and insane episode four of Loki. But before we get into our initial reactions, Katie, take it away with the spoiler alert. 

Katie: As always, guys, if you haven’t watched the newest episode of Loki, please turn us off for the time being. Go watch it, then turn us back on because we don’t want to spoil anything for you guys because we will be talking about the episode. So make sure you guys watch it first and then come back and listen to us. 

Taylor: All right, Kate, to start off, give me your initial reaction. What do you think? 

00:00:50:04 – 00:01:10:15

Speaker 1

Uh, men can that hurt my brain? That hurt my heart, The hurt, my my fragile ness, wherever that belongs in my body. I’m. I don’t I’m. I felt through. I exist these days. I don’t know. 

00:01:10:22 – 00:01:17:19

Speaker 2

Physical chest pain in the form of heartbreak that I did not know I was capable of feeling. 

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Speaker 1

Well. Okay, well, okay. 

00:01:21:20 – 00:01:23:17

Speaker 2

So again, third time’s the charm. 

00:01:24:12 – 00:01:42:00

Speaker 1

Let’s. Let’s just start at the beginning. Let’s just start at the beginning. Because I feel like that’s the easiest place for me to begin. So I know the biggest question last week was how the heck are they going to get off of lemon juice? Fun? So let’s just talk about the scene that Loki is falling in love with himself.

 00:01:42:01 – 00:01:44:22

Speaker 2

He is the world’s ultimate narcissist. 

00:01:44:22 – 00:01:47:27

Speaker 1

It makes the most sense. Is it really? That is. So logical. It’s like two perfect puzzle pieces fitting together. Yeah. 

00:01:52:07 – 00:02:15:20

Speaker 1

And I know that not everyone’s in love with that storyline that they chose to go through, but I think it makes sense. I don’t know if I love it or hate it, whatever. I don’t know how I feel directly about like, personally, emotionally, but I think it makes so much sense. You have literally the character who’s obsessed with himself falling in love with the female version of himself. 

00:02:15:21 – 00:02:17:13

Speaker 1

That just makes sense that maybe he. Loves Loki more than Loki. 

00:02:19:18 – 00:02:38:03

Speaker 1

What exactly? And so I know part of me thinks that that was weird, to be honest. No part of me like and I know everyone’s like, saying things which I accidentally saw on Twitter and people were not happy, but I’m like, I get where everyone’s ships look, you know where they were. I get it. But it just makes sense. 

00:02:38:03 – 00:03:00:18

Speaker 1

I think a lot of people were like, I guess connecting variant as being related, which is why I think people thought it was weird because I saw that after the end of the third episode it felt like a lot of people were connecting that well. Various because they’re all different versions of a character are almost like siblings, which I think is why I brought up are they siblings in the last episode?

00:03:00:22 – 00:03:03:22

Speaker 2

But I think we can officially debunk that. 

00:03:03:23 – 00:03:12:09

Speaker 1

Oh, 100%. Yeah, well, can we? Yeah, because she was raised on Asgard. Did she have Odin and Frigga as her parents? 

00:03:12:23 – 00:03:14:05

Speaker 2

She doesn’t remember her mother, remember? 

00:03:14:13 – 00:03:18:22

Speaker 1

Right. But we have to just look at it so. Well, he’s on a ship. 

00:03:19:00 – 00:03:40:25

Speaker 2

I guess my thought process is she occupied side the Loki spot in that timeline and that family. There was not a brother Loki and a sister Loki. Yeah, she as far as she knew, she was the only Loki. As far as he knew he was the only Loki. That doesn’t make them siblings. That just means that they were the same person existing in two parallel universes. 

00:03:41:02 – 00:03:48:25

Speaker 1

Yeah. Okay. But either way, I think it makes a lot of sense. So and not creating a Nexus event like I know you pointed out, you like, how is this guy like you look what? 

00:03:49:03 – 00:03:53:13

Speaker 2

Well you he was the whole idea was hanging out in the apocalypse. You literally could not create a nexus. 

00:03:53:15 – 00:04:11:25

Speaker 1

But I just clarified by saying, think of it this way. You have well, first of all, one nuke, two variants running around in this apocalyptic world that’s about to end that are now falling in love with each other. So not only should they not be existing, but now they’re falling in love. So it’s like. Variant times 40. 

00:04:13:17 – 00:04:30:13

Speaker 1

Yeah, it’s like that line probably would have literally gone straight up. Obviously this is not what happened and would not have happened, but like, say they had more time on that planet, whatever years past, whatever. And like a kid was born, that kid alone would like straight line. The red line here, which is the right line versus here. 

00:04:30:13 – 00:04:41:08

Speaker 1

Yeah. So, I mean, like I said, I think it makes sense. I understand why people were a little upset, but I got to make sense. But I have something just like gasped and I, I. Feel like I saw a spoiler and it’s just making sense. Now was not the end of the episode, so we’ll come back to it. Okay. 

00:04:47:25 – 00:04:54:13

Speaker 1

But yeah, no, I was here for it. I okay. What happens after that? The TVA takes them. Okay. 

00:04:54:23 – 00:05:00:14

Speaker 2

Oh, we missed the big reveal at the beginning that the minute man who brought in Sylvie when she was a child is. 

00:05:00:14 – 00:05:18:19

Speaker 1

The freaky judge. I don’t like her. I said she was so weird from the beginning. She never sat right with me. I was like, She is weird. I also want to preface when they first I have to let this be said first, because very rarely and I think it happened last episode, I think I was right about something too. 

00:05:18:26 – 00:05:26:17

Speaker 1

So very rarely does it happen, although as of right now I think I’m like two for four. So I’m about 500 when we. 

00:05:26:18 – 00:05:27:10

Speaker 2

It works, right? 

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Speaker 1

Yeah. Yeah. 

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Speaker 2

It’s like literally second against myself. 

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Speaker 1

Yeah. But when they at the beginning of the episode show the timekeepers like I don’t remember why they even showed them. Was it in the background of Sylvie’s like was that when they. I don’t remember. 

00:05:45:00 – 00:05:47:02

Speaker 2

I think Jar was talking to them. 

00:05:47:08 – 00:06:08:16

Speaker 1

Okay well either way when they showed the time he was at the beginning of the episode, I literally looked at him. I said, I’ll bet. Yes, just like The Wizard of Oz. They aren’t real. What’s behind the Queen? Yeah, I was like, They are not real. I could just tell there is just something about them. And I was like, You know why they keep saying all these timekeepers, All these timekeepers, and they’re kept in this little closet thing.

00:06:08:23 – 00:06:14:28

Speaker 1

Like, I know these guys are all like a whole different planet, and here they are in their basement, like. I think they were in that upper, like, penthouse nuts, which wall? 

00:06:19:21 – 00:06:27:08

Speaker 1

And I got going down vibes and I was just like, What if this is Wizard of Oz? And then here we were. They were animatronics. 

00:06:27:13 – 00:06:33:12

Speaker 2

And I said, okay, well, maybe that’s why they didn’t want to have any robots come through in the hallways. And malfunction them. 

00:06:34:29 – 00:06:38:14

Speaker 2

That or like, like androids recognizing. 

00:06:38:14 – 00:06:50:01

Speaker 1

As I say, robots recognizable. Yeah. I mean yeah. Because you imagine if, like, vision walk through, he’d be like, who are you? Like, who do you think you are? Is not my vision. To be a really good timekeeper when. They took his head off, gave me vision vibes, like when they were holding his head. 

00:06:57:04 – 00:07:00:18

Speaker 2

Yeah. Like vision in the. In facility. Yeah. 

00:07:00:26 – 00:07:12:09

Speaker 1

Like that color that this coloring. So were they actually androids like someone controlled. I guess not They were probably actually vote but they were probably the equivalent of vision but. Vision sanity and they were not Well. 

00:07:14:21 – 00:07:20:12

Speaker 1

No, but like they were, they were. They were. I wonder if they were their own being, quote unquote. 

00:07:20:12 – 00:07:22:21

Speaker 2

But I think we’re going to know this next week. 

00:07:22:29 – 00:07:40:09

Speaker 1

Yeah, I feel like an answer. But still, I just wonder first say I was correct about that. I needed to point that out because it doesn’t happen often and it needed to be said. But okay, yeah. And then there in that. Well, first off, Lady Seth made my day. 

00:07:40:09 – 00:07:41:00

Speaker 2

Oh, my God. 

00:07:41:00 – 00:07:45:04

Speaker 1

I was so happy. She was. I was waiting for a good old cameo. 

00:07:45:13 – 00:07:59:27

Speaker 2

This so is like cameo, like, fertile ground for cameos in the. We had to wait till, like, episode four for, like, a real one that wasn’t them. Just like playing back like old footage from Infinity War or like other movies, like, but also Lady. This is it. Is this you? We’re going to be in love and thunder again. Isn’t she returning? 

00:08:05:01 – 00:08:07:18

Speaker 2

I didn’t hear that. But if she is, that would be great. 

00:08:07:18 – 00:08:10:21

Speaker 1

I feel like I just heard something about her. And I mean, cause they are this epic, low. Key, like little move where his parents were trying to set Thor up with Seth, and they were like, You’re she’s the one you’re supposed to be with. And Jane was all like, Believe me. And just an infinity stone in the dark world. So. 

00:08:22:15 – 00:08:24:24

Speaker 1

You know, I can’t believe she’s coming back Anyway. 

00:08:26:14 – 00:08:30:29

Speaker 2

Her only redeeming factor is that she’s Luke and last mom. I mean, Natalie Portman. So. 

00:08:30:29 – 00:08:43:24

Speaker 1

Yeah, I know, and I’m good, but yeah, so then they’re in there. Okay, whatever things are happening, judges being super sketch as usual and the whole thing with the girl who they who was it? 

00:08:44:03 – 00:08:47:04

Speaker 2

It Hunter 20, 20, 2020. 

00:08:47:11 – 00:08:57:23

Speaker 1

So I don’t know where I’ve seen that played out before, but I’ve seen something very similar played out before. So you, the very clearly tell, you know, the judge is hiding some shocking. Mansion.

 00:08:58:15 – 00:09:07:02

Speaker 1

Here. And, you know, I think it was interesting when Mobius found that tape on her. What is it like? It’s not really a phone, but I. Know it’s but it’s that thing that.

00:09:09:02 – 00:09:10:05

Speaker 1

Yeah, when she broke. 

00:09:10:05 – 00:09:10:14

Speaker 2

What’s the. Name? 10th Temple. Yeah. I was like, yeah. So like, they kept. Fighting about it. 

00:09:15:08 – 00:09:27:08

Speaker 1

Lastly. But you know, I think that’s really jarring to have seen that too, that she sat there and she was like, This was my life before this. You took me. Yeah, but let’s open for. Mobius, who like, Oh, that’s his friend. 

00:09:29:29 – 00:09:55:12

Speaker 1

Well, but, but let’s open that can of worms. So they’re all variants, right? Why are they like, how is this working? What gets some variants buzzed right away? What gets some to stay? What’s happening is, yes, they seem fine. But, you know, my question is, they’re like, what do we how how does that work? You know? And now maybe it. Has to do with what you were like, what your occupation was in the sacred timeline. Like, were you someone who would naturally lend yourself to being good in like a law enforcement type aspect? Were you some kind of agent or administrator? If you’re working on the administrative side, were you some kind of law enforcement professional? So I’m wondering, you feel like it has something to do with your profession before that, like gives you a certain set of skills? 

00:10:17:28 – 00:10:24:25

Speaker 2

So even though your memory is white, maybe it doesn’t necessarily wipe all of your skills and your muscle memory does that.

00:10:24:27 – 00:10:49:22

Speaker 1

There’s there’s that insight. There’s still that a little bit left of certain memories that are ingrained in you. You just don’t realize it. And they still are a core factor of who you are. There’s still your core being. I just think it’s pretty interesting. Now, obviously not to skip to the end and I don’t want to skip to in full, but we see that, you know, to a degree, variants don’t die the way we think, variance die when they do get that. 

00:10:49:22 – 00:11:08:25

Speaker 1

So I’m a little entry and I’m a fine I mean, yeah, I’m just trying to understand well like I know I even was asking you for Sylvie, for example. We see when she gets taken, she then asks the judge later on what was mine access point, meaning what did she do to step off her line? The judge is sitting there very sketchily. 

00:11:09:00 – 00:11:10:09

Speaker 1

I don’t remember. Oh, she. 100% remembers. And it’s a key point. 

00:11:12:06 – 00:11:30:08

Speaker 1

She either remembers it or I know I said to you and I know you were like, No, I don’t. But I even said, What if she didn’t have a nexus point? What if there is something else about Sylvie, which is why they needed her off of the timeline? That is that because I’m sorry, but if her only her existence was the problem. 

00:11:30:08 – 00:11:42:23

Speaker 1

She was nine years old. Eight, nine years old. She was pretty old. For them to have even let her get that far would have been because, you see, they even have a small little variant and they they zap it right off immediately. 

00:11:42:23 – 00:11:50:08

Speaker 2

Yeah. Someone says something, though, at some point where they say, you know, we let her go until her whatever the variant became to.

 00:11:50:08 – 00:11:51:15

Speaker 1

Well I think she said it. 

00:11:51:15 – 00:11:54:18

Speaker 2

Yeah. She’s like, they let me go until I step too far. 

00:11:54:18 – 00:12:02:20

Speaker 1

But that’s her belief. She doesn’t and I just I can’t think that if it was her birth, like her being born wrong and was. 

00:12:02:20 – 00:12:06:25

Speaker 2

So then is the person controlling the time keepers have a personal vendetta against her? 

00:12:07:01 – 00:12:10:11

Speaker 1

Well, she’s powerful and she’s more powerful than our Loki. At this point in time. 

00:12:11:22 – 00:12:19:03

Speaker 1

Yes, sure. Yeah. And she has the ability to take down the TVA. She just has to get into all their heads and jostled all those members. 

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Speaker 2

Maybe that’s what she told herself. Magic. 

00:12:22:10 – 00:12:28:16

Speaker 1

But it’s not even that she if you could see into the future, you could see that she probably has the ability to. So they were going to try and get rid of her. 

00:12:28:16 – 00:12:30:23

Speaker 2

It was when she started teaching herself. Yeah. 

00:12:30:29 – 00:12:38:18

Speaker 1

Yeah. Yep. Because once she figured that out, they were like, she has the power to take this entire place down. If we get rid of her now, she’s gone. And she escaped. 

00:12:38:24 – 00:12:42:29

Speaker 2

Yeah, I went, Yep. It was the moment she realized she was yourself. Magic. 

00:12:43:04 – 00:12:50:15

Speaker 1

Yeah. Because her powers, the morphing of her powers is a little different than Loki’s. And she has that ability to get. Into the people. So does that mean that they were letting other variants go? They let her go. 

00:12:56:13 – 00:13:00:15

Speaker 1

Yeah. But then when they reset the timeline, they probably reset it all. 

00:13:00:15 – 00:13:06:16

Speaker 2

The way back. No, I know, but I’m just wondering, are there other so that are eight or nine years old that are not supposed to be alive? 

00:13:06:20 – 00:13:18:25

Speaker 1

Probably because they probably follow that timeline every time. Oh, but that that you’re right. That doesn’t make sense. So, no, I wonder if when they reset it, they will. If she was a variant since birth, when they reset it, Loki would have been born. 

00:13:18:27 – 00:13:40:10

Speaker 2

No, I that’s what I’m saying. I’m saying are there other people who have Sylvie like variants or like are there variants that have been living parallel to the sacred timeline for as long as Sylvie was? And they but because they haven’t stopped far enough, they’re still allowed to live like Sylvie was allowed to live or like be there like Sylvie was allowed to live for eight or nine years. 

00:13:40:10 – 00:13:56:09

Speaker 2

There was only when she started teaching herself, as we believe it was, only when she started teaching herself magic that she became a threat. So then are there other people who are variant who are living long term lives as variants, but they’re not stabbing far enough off that point? 

00:13:56:09 – 00:14:12:25

Speaker 1

And this is not really an answer. It’s more of another question to your question is, if that’s true, then I mean, granted, everything we know about the TVA is not right, but then that blows even more of a hole because it’s like, well, then clearly I mean, we already said they clearly were doing what they want to their own agenda. 

00:14:12:27 – 00:14:25:04

Speaker 1

Right. Which is what I think would be interesting to look at then. You know, and I’m not to go in depth in this because we’ve talked about it before, but with Steve, for example, maybe he’s not a threat being a variant because technically he is like at the end of the day. 

00:14:25:04 – 00:14:26:29

Speaker 2

From that would make a lot of sense.

 00:14:26:29 – 00:14:29:00

Speaker 1

Say clearly do what’s a threat to their. Agenda and so is no longer a. 

00:14:31:07 – 00:14:40:07

Speaker 1

Threat. He wasn’t. If anything, I almost wonder if he would be a bigger threat with all the knowledge he has of in our time. Now, that’s what I’m thinking. Technically, almost 23. 

00:14:40:08 – 00:14:44:21

Speaker 2

Took himself out of the game by going back. Yeah, being old. Yeah. Yeah. 

00:14:44:22 – 00:14:54:00

Speaker 1

So I almost wonder if that. Yeah, I kind of think they clearly have their own agenda. So time as we know it is not even time as we know it is how they want it. 

00:14:54:00 – 00:14:58:02

Speaker 2

So they freaking let Thanos happen because they wanted it to happen. 

00:14:58:02 – 00:15:19:06

Speaker 1

I, we will have to wonder why now if they are the ones sitting here in control all the time and they’re doing what they want for their own agenda, why did they let us happen? Why also did they even sit there and let the Avengers do what they did? Because to be fair, that’s what caused our Loki to be a variant like they were meddling with time travel to begin with, which was a bold thing. 

00:15:19:06 – 00:15:28:21

Speaker 2

But following that logic, they wanted Thanos to happen and then they wanted him to be undone. So what happened? Like what? What would have happened if that here’s not a lot. 

00:15:28:25 – 00:15:33:25

Speaker 1

Here’s just a thought. I’m sure there are amount of variants went down greatly when half the universe didn’t exist. 

00:15:34:21 – 00:15:37:19

Speaker 2

But they they made sure the Avengers were good and bring him back. 

00:15:37:20 – 00:15:58:17

Speaker 1

Well, because I don’t think they could have sat there and left the world like that. So there’s something in the middle. But they I don’t think that I’m just trying to I’ve been affected by this. Not then what’s left of it out of it. But I know you ask that before, though, would they have been affected? Because now, especially now that we know their variants and they all used to live their respective lives, would they have been affected by the snap? 

00:15:58:22 – 00:16:02:11

Speaker 2

I don’t think they technically live in the universe. They live outside of space and time. 

00:16:02:15 – 00:16:05:14

Speaker 1

So so theoretically saying no. Anybody in the TVA should have been outside of the snaps. Right. 

00:16:09:13 – 00:16:13:28

Speaker 1

So then for five years, what were they doing? That’s the question. 

00:16:13:28 – 00:16:16:04

Speaker 2

And I want to know what they got. 

00:16:16:04 – 00:16:20:27

Speaker 1

Well, that’s what I mean out of it. What were they doing for the five years? Because they got something out of Thanos when. 

00:16:21:05 – 00:16:38:27

Speaker 2

And it’s clearly not the Stones because they have no oil. And that’s another point, though, too. They clearly wanted Thanos to be the one to have the stones, and then they wanted the stones destroyed because every other instance of the stones showing up, they took them out of the timeline. That’s why they have so many like it had to be Thanos. 

00:16:38:27 – 00:16:41:17

Speaker 2

They even said they had titans in the well. 

00:16:41:28 – 00:16:49:00

Speaker 1

And I’ve also pointed out vampires because we do see Morbius is going to be coming out this spring. Is that this year and early next year? 

00:16:49:06 – 00:16:51:02

Speaker 2

I think it’s the summer or late or. Fall of this year or maybe Venom comes out. I don’t see. 

00:16:54:16 – 00:16:57:12

Speaker 2

I’m confusing you. Yeah, this is in the fall. 

00:16:57:14 – 00:16:58:25

Speaker 1

I don’t even think we have a full trailer. 

00:16:58:25 – 00:17:03:08

Speaker 2

Morbius Morbius. I think we do, but I think Morbius keeps getting pushed back. 

00:17:03:09 – 00:17:06:06

Speaker 1

But you know, that’s a that blade. Yeah. 

00:17:06:10 – 00:17:07:07

Speaker 2

So those are on blade. 

00:17:07:12 – 00:17:23:28

Speaker 1

Those are openings for both of those. But yeah, that makes you have to sit there and think because now it’s like, Hmm, why did you let this stuff happen? Because you clearly let this stuff happen. You let certain things go and other things not so much. And if they’re all okay, well, it really all. 

00:17:23:28 – 00:17:25:22

Speaker 2

Comes down to who’s controlling. Yes. 

00:17:25:29 – 00:17:30:08

Speaker 1

Yes, I guess. Guess what? Whoever’s controlling TV is the one who’s keeping the timeline on. 

00:17:30:10 – 00:17:38:13

Speaker 2

Some sort of. Yeah. So we won’t know what the agenda is until it’s revealed. Could it be the next big bad? Are they teasing the next big bad of a TV show? 

00:17:38:13 – 00:17:46:08

Speaker 1

I mean, because think about this. This one’s going to wrap right into the next few movies. Oh, my God. Because we’re going to see the multiverse burst open.

 00:17:46:10 – 00:17:51:14

Speaker 2

Is it Kang the Conqueror? I mean, he’s the only I mean, he wouldn’t be the big bad then because he’s an he’s. 

00:17:51:14 – 00:17:53:24

Speaker 1

An arm and then the lost. But if we’re. Going to talk about most famous time travelers, or at least some of the best known time travelers in the comic book canon, you’d be very remiss if you left. Okay. 

00:18:03:24 – 00:18:11:29

Speaker 1

No, I definitely agree with that. I just I don’t know if that’s the direction this will go, only because he’s definitely going to. They already said he’ll be in. 

00:18:12:02 – 00:18:16:15

Speaker 2

Yeah, he’s and he’s an antagonist of the TVA but in the comics. 

00:18:16:24 – 00:18:17:16

Speaker 1

So I can’t that. Doesn’t necessarily. 

00:18:18:11 – 00:18:33:29

Speaker 1

Yeah but still I feel like that would be a big change of pace if he you know I mean Yeah. And what would he get out of running the TVA when he’s time traveling? I mean, yes, he gets plenty out of it, but it’s like if he’s calling these shots for all the stuff that’s happening, what is he actually getting out of that? 

00:18:33:29 – 00:18:53:11

Speaker 1

You know? I mean, so it has to be someone I don’t even know. Okay. Wait, do you remember that game I used to play? And I can’t remember the guy’s name now. I don’t know. But either way, I’m trying to think like any of the big names because we’re right back to square one. Yeah, because whoever’s controlling the TVA, unless it’s the judge. 

00:18:53:14 – 00:18:59:07

Speaker 2

Now, she definitely is a pawn. She seems very party to me. That’s funny. 

00:18:59:11 – 00:19:07:16

Speaker 1

Well, here’s my new question here is my new question. There was clearly a judge before her. And you don’t age in the TVA. 

00:19:07:20 – 00:19:08:01

Speaker 2

Yeah. 

00:19:08:02 – 00:19:09:13

Speaker 1

Or even if you do, time moves. 

00:19:09:19 – 00:19:13:02

Speaker 2

So the power hungry those. Yeah, well, that’s what I’m surprised. 

00:19:13:03 – 00:19:15:22

Speaker 1

She did something because. She was Just a minute lady. 

00:19:18:23 – 00:19:28:23

Speaker 1

Yeah. I mean she, I don’t like her. I know I said that already. I don’t like you don’t trust her, but she clearly has had her hand in things for a while.

 00:19:28:23 – 00:19:31:12

Speaker 2

She’s ambitious in, like, a not good sense. 

00:19:31:12 – 00:19:38:17

Speaker 1

Yeah. On the wrong side of it. So I don’t know where I stand with her, but I don’t know. I’m. 

00:19:38:26 – 00:19:56:06

Speaker 2

i1i don’t know if they’re going to tell us. So the rumor has it obviously there’s going to be other versions. They obviously the rumor is that there are later seasons of Loki and the TVA is involved. So I don’t know that we’re going to know who is running the TVA. 

00:19:56:12 – 00:20:23:24

Speaker 1

Well, I think I don’t know The only because that’s the big question right now, and I feel like that would be really hard to keep people, especially with the new content, movies, all that, keeping people interested in the Loki series, if you drag out something like that, like that’s the big storyline at this point. Yeah, in season one I feel like if you try to do I get to season two, which hasn’t even been confirmed to be be happening, you have to think you’ve got a least 5 to 6 movies coming out. 

00:20:23:24 – 00:20:27:16

Speaker 1

You’ve got another one or two TV shows. In the meantime. 

00:20:27:22 – 00:20:28:21

Speaker 2

I think it’s actually closer. 

00:20:28:21 – 00:20:33:11

Speaker 1

To three. I was like, I feel like there’s more because I feel like we have another slew of like three or four in the fall. 

00:20:33:11 – 00:20:36:07

Speaker 2

Yeah, because there’s what Hawkeye is Marvel and She-Hulk. 

00:20:36:11 – 00:20:36:24

Speaker 1

And Moon. Nights in production. I think that’s early next year. 

00:20:39:04 – 00:20:46:28

Speaker 1

But there you go, though, that’s that. You’ve got a lot of content coming out before that. And like I said, season two is even confirmed after only. Talking about if there’s second seasons of Wandavision and Falcon Winter. 

00:20:51:01 – 00:20:57:00

Speaker 1

Soldier Yeah, but so far I feel like I’ve seen Elizabeth Olsen saying that Wandavision was just wandavision where it’s not.

00:20:57:02 – 00:20:59:09

Speaker 2

Which would make sense because I feel like they kind of wrapped it up. 

00:20:59:09 – 00:21:06:16

Speaker 1

What are you supposed to do with Wandavision when you. I mean Grant I know vision still out there, but like, he’s not, he literally can’t feel emotions. 

00:21:07:00 – 00:21:16:11

Speaker 2

Yeah, and he’s a soldier. I feel like their story will be next on the big screen in Sam’s solo outing. First solo outing as well. 

00:21:16:21 – 00:21:21:11

Speaker 1

You know, Sebastian’s been talking about he’d be happy to be in Black Panther, too. 

00:21:21:11 – 00:21:23:26

Speaker 2

So apparently they just sort of production on. 

00:21:23:29 – 00:21:24:28

Speaker 1

I did see yes. 

00:21:25:11 – 00:21:26:05

Speaker 2

I was so excited. 

00:21:26:06 – 00:21:32:06

Speaker 1

But to write back into what we were saying, I mean, I just think there’d be too many movies in the meantime. I think there’d be too much. To lose momentum. Yeah. 

00:21:33:16 – 00:21:43:05

Speaker 1

So we’re going to have to find out where got because and you know what? If this does lead directly into the multiverse, which wouldn’t surprise me considering it’s literally been teased about three times. 

00:21:43:05 – 00:21:46:03

Speaker 2

Now, I wanted to bring up about the end, so I’m just going to do it now.

 00:21:46:04 – 00:21:48:08

Speaker 1

Yes, let’s just hit the end of it. 

00:21:48:10 – 00:22:10:24

Speaker 2

So I read something. I don’t know where because I’ve been reading a lot and trying to avoid spoilers, but just reading things that season. Season four Episode four actually opens the multiverse and we see it’s real. And here’s how we know Loki was in another timeline with all of his other selves. Those stakes move you from timeline to timeline. 

00:22:10:24 – 00:22:12:24

Speaker 1

And they just move them all into one timeline. 

00:22:12:28 – 00:22:19:16

Speaker 2

I don’t know if all the variants are there or just the Loki variants. Like what if everybody has a timeline of themselves as a variant? 

00:22:19:17 – 00:22:31:02

Speaker 1

Yeah, and Loki would have a lot. Well, I feel like Loki might have his own, but not everyone has their own because like, I think about me not saying obviously, but like, say I set out my timeline all the good stuff off 9000 times. Loki is. Also not as old as. 

00:22:32:08 – 00:22:35:11

Speaker 1

Loki. Yeah, but Loki also in nature would make sense for him. 

00:22:35:11 – 00:22:38:20

Speaker 2

But I’m just saying, he’s thousands of years old. You have had 20 years, so.

 00:22:39:01 – 00:23:05:11

Speaker 1

But that makes my point as well. Okay, I’m making your point. We’re not on the same page. We are saying the same thing. But yeah, so I’m sure there’s probably a timeline where pretty much everyone’s various and then there’s probably special cases and that’s like Loki, for example, where he probably has and we’ve seen I just want to talk about really quick Lizard Loki would be somewhere he stepped off a timeline as a lizard and I just don’t really know how I feel about that. 

00:23:05:11 – 00:23:08:07

Speaker 1

Anyway, it had to be said, moving for me should. Actually take a step back. How did Loki get into that realm? Literally the most stressful and heartbreaking and emotional. 

00:23:17:05 – 00:23:21:03

Speaker 1

Well, okay, let’s start at the beginning of this issue. It means Mobius is dead. 

00:23:21:13 – 00:23:27:23

Speaker 2

Oh, yeah. Guy got stabbed by the light stick thing and it looked like he was dead. And that made me scream hysterically. 

00:23:27:23 – 00:23:36:16

Speaker 1

Oftentimes, I will say when he asks, Am I dead? And his variant said, Not yet, but come with us. What does that mean? Because he wanted. To get he wanted job. Job? 

00:23:38:22 – 00:23:40:10

Speaker 1

Yeah, because he really was baiting them. 

00:23:40:24 – 00:23:42:17

Speaker 2

Yeah, because he could have played that. 

00:23:42:17 – 00:23:49:08

Speaker 1

I wonder if he knows that they don’t actually like die that he probably knows what those six actually do. 

00:23:49:09 – 00:24:06:02

Speaker 2

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So he that whole time he wanted them in there in that other room but that would go against I guess I want him to have known that. But at the same time I’m like if there’s a secret timeline, what would you call the secret timelines trash area? 

00:24:06:02 – 00:24:07:25

Speaker 1

Like sacred timelines Trash. 

00:24:07:26 – 00:24:09:14

Speaker 2

So he’s that just it’s. Like it’s like what’s the plan of the Grandmaster zone? It’s the same vibe. All the trash and forgotten things end up there like that’s the same thing. And whoever is controlling the TVA just has to keep that timeline as far away from AHS as possible. Okay, so. 

00:24:24:08 – 00:24:37:12

Speaker 2

Let’s let’s further down, go further down this whole mobius theory. Okay, So say Mobius knows that you don’t really die because he beats her, which we saw because both of us feel like he could have played that way better. Like Mobius is a sly. Yeah. 

00:24:37:28 – 00:24:45:08

Speaker 1

Yeah. And I said that immediately. I was like, Dude. And especially someone you’ve worked with for years, she could already tell something was up like and he. Only half was like, Oh, yeah. Like I realized I grabbed the wrong one. And then he kind of played that off a little further. And then he was like, But instead, I want to tell you that wherever I would go from where I’m originally from, let me show you all my cards. 

00:24:59:22 – 00:25:16:07

Speaker 1

Like he that was a little weird. So I almost wonder. I mean, he’s high enough up there. Okay. We before I forget, though, she has another I don’t know what Mobius title is. I forget. But she has another one of those on the side. Remember? She brought it up in, like, the second or third episode. Second episode? 

00:25:16:07 – 00:25:18:14

Speaker 2

Because I’m sure she oversees multiple agents. 

00:25:18:14 – 00:25:33:26

Speaker 1

Yeah, but he even seemed weird about it, and she wasn’t mentioning who was. Remember, she was like, really suss about it. So this could be tying into the whole fact that that whoever she’s talking about could be the person who’s controlling TBA. I’m just saying she’s seemingly. Real Wizard of Oz thing. 

00:25:35:26 – 00:25:37:06

Speaker 1

She didn’t say not surprised. 

00:25:37:09 – 00:25:39:07

Speaker 2

I think she just really hates Sylvie. 

00:25:39:08 – 00:25:58:29

Speaker 1

Yeah, that’s it, really. Because like, she was. I’m sorry, but if I had spent my entire life pretty much worshiping these, like, time gods and they ended up being androids, I would have been a little shocked. They would have thrown off even my hatred for the people I hate the most. That’s fair. That’s a good point. Like I especially after I just got beat up, I would not have really gotten. Up and be like, Yes, let me. Stab this guy first. I would. Be like, Yo, wait. 

00:26:02:13 – 00:26:16:10

Speaker 1

This time he was had his on the floor. He is a robot and like, this is a little weird. So I think she had to have known. I’m sorry. She showed no indication that she was surprised. Yeah. So I don’t know, but I guess. 

00:26:16:17 – 00:26:25:05

Speaker 2

Sorry. Going back to our little our little mobius theory. Yeah. What’s there that. That he thinks is like, the key, maybe. 

00:26:25:06 – 00:26:25:20

Speaker 1

Well. I mean, and also, if they know that they don’t die, why wouldn’t they, like, actually kill him? Like, why wouldn’t they stab him? Can some kill. A feel variant, though. 

00:26:35:05 – 00:26:55:17

Speaker 2

My Mobius? But you can also kill. Kill Loki. I mean. Yeah. You saw them draw blood. He had blood on his shirt. Like I think you can physically kill. So I guess I’m wondering if they all were if at least George RR knows that they’re not actually going to die, why wouldn’t she have them? And that’s not all the Minutemen know. 

00:26:55:17 – 00:26:57:28

Speaker 2

I’m sure all she has to keep up appearances. 

00:26:57:28 – 00:27:24:21

Speaker 1

I’m sure they don’t know because the way that up and I mean personally, the way I have felt that it’s been portrayed and that I was picking up was that they were gone. You zipped them out of existence. They were never to exist again. So you are starting to tell these Minutemen who, quite frankly, do kind of risk their lives when they go into different times and all that all the time to reset things and take variants out that they don’t actually die. 

00:27:24:22 – 00:27:34:11

Speaker 1

Because at the same time, I think we asked it at the very beginning, why do you have to take the variant when you just reset the timeline and the variant goes right back? We’ve we answered within the first episode. And so. 

00:27:34:13 – 00:27:37:11

Speaker 2

So they’re literally putting them in the sacred timelines, trashy. 

00:27:37:12 – 00:28:02:21

Speaker 1

The ones that they don’t want and the TVA. Yeah, yeah. Which we still don’t know how they become TVA agents, but let’s wrap into that then. The TVA did that went a little a wall on our side. November 2015. Yes, I was like not 20. And she is, which makes sense. Okay. That me 100% sense because I even was going to say to you, I said, I wonder if Sylvie got in her head. 

00:28:02:21 – 00:28:22:10

Speaker 1

And I couldn’t remember. I didn’t remember the part in episode two until she took her outside supermarket. And I was like, Oh, she was. So I have to I have to wonder. I mean, like I said, this wraps back into Sylvie’s story. Her magic can take down the TVA. So whoever it is knew that and knew the second she was born. 

00:28:22:10 – 00:28:24:23

Speaker 1

But that that’s kind of like back to the whole. Oh. 

00:28:25:04 – 00:28:31:06

Speaker 2

That’s not necessarily true. She didn’t they didn’t know that the second she was born because not all Loki’s got the same powers.

 00:28:31:06 – 00:28:31:21

Speaker 1

Not even. 

00:28:31:22 – 00:28:34:09

Speaker 2

I look a power more similar to our that.

00:28:34:12 – 00:28:35:04

Speaker 1

Person knew. Her. So it’s personal. Because I just think about it this way. I mean. She doesn’t remember her. Mother. She doesn’t remember a lot. She said she she vaguely remembers Asgard. That person could have known her. And then when they start. Invading supervillains, that would be like, amazing in this role. Like, I’m trying to think.

00:28:52:03 – 00:28:53:08

Speaker 1

As if it was her mother. 

00:28:53:15 – 00:28:56:22

Speaker 2

Yeah, I’ll. I’ll just. This is not related to the mother thing. 

00:28:57:08 – 00:29:12:11

Speaker 1

My first thought, something that is let me say. Hold on. No, no. My little easy life is no go. Okay, But if it is her mother, I just want to bring up the fact that when she was like, I barely remember, I guess she’s like, probably aging weird because of, like, all that, But she was still eight or nine. 

00:29:12:12 – 00:29:15:26

Speaker 1

She should, to a degree, remember her mother more and less her. 

00:29:15:26 – 00:29:17:18

Speaker 2

Mother and I’m doing air quotes here. 

00:29:17:18 – 00:29:18:27

Speaker 1

Died for. 

00:29:19:09 – 00:29:20:10

Speaker 2

When she was younger. 

00:29:20:16 – 00:29:24:01

Speaker 1

Right okay continue with your my thought. 

00:29:24:01 – 00:29:31:26

Speaker 2

And this has nothing to do with the mother just you know, spitballing some really cool super villains. I’d like to see on the screen. What if it’s Doctor Doom? 

00:29:31:26 – 00:29:42:04

Speaker 1

Wait, I just saw something about him. I just saw something about him. About something about. Oh, is this going to be his MCU entrance? And I can’t remember what it is, but I literally just read something about. That because the Fantastic Four are coming. And what better. 

00:29:45:16 – 00:29:52:05

Speaker 1

Way did they do it this way? Because I think this is how they’re going to explode the multiverse and we’re already going to see a hot mess of the multiverse. 

00:29:52:05 – 00:29:59:22

Speaker 2

And well, think about it this way, though, like which the Fantastic Four with the whole Dr. Doom thing has been done. And when they retcon. 

00:29:59:22 – 00:30:03:10

Speaker 1

Yeah, but you let me hand to the Fantastic Four without Dr. Doom. 

00:30:03:10 – 00:30:11:01

Speaker 2

But what I’m saying, though, is they’ve done it where they’ve all become kind of powerful together. Right? That was in the early 2000 version with Chris. 

00:30:11:04 – 00:30:14:27

Speaker 1

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So what they’ve done is good ones that they’ve made. 

00:30:15:05 – 00:30:21:20

Speaker 2

Yeah. What they’ve done with Spider-Man obviously is they’ve created an origin story that is still true to the character. 

00:30:21:23 – 00:30:23:03

Speaker 1

But we just kind of like skipped. 

00:30:23:03 – 00:30:34:10

Speaker 2

The steps. Yeah, Yeah. So I guess I’m wondering, are they going to do something similar to the Vision Task force that it feels original to the MCU? Yet still by spirit of his comic count? 

00:30:34:10 – 00:30:49:11

Speaker 1

Only concern with that would be with them like how they I just think they’re going to face a slight issue because if I’m being honest Chris played that role. I feel like they almost have to start over because you do have him being the he’s I’m not. 

00:30:49:11 – 00:31:03:00

Speaker 2

Saying I’m not saying that they’re not going to start over. I think they’re going to do it the way Peter was that like, or at least for Doctor Doom. I still think we’re going to in some way see the Fantastic Four form because otherwise, where the heck have they been when, you know, Finn was the thing, you know for sure. 

00:31:03:00 – 00:31:16:29

Speaker 2

But I’m talking about Doctor Doom. Like maybe we don’t see it on screen. How he becomes Doctor Doom in the same way that we don’t see our Peter like Tom Holland. Peter Ryan comes by on main roster, but we kind of meet him in the middle of his own story. 

00:31:16:29 – 00:31:20:01

Speaker 1

Okay, well, so how’d we end up here, Doctor Doom What was the point of. Talking about who potentially behind the. TVA? I don’t think it’s him. I just. I don’t think he has that. I mean, like he has I know his powers, but I don’t feel like he has that kind of and I don’t fully understand what his motives would be because, like, if you want it, like, think about when we were talking about the whole Thanos thing, like why let Thanos happen?

00:31:39:13 – 00:31:54:04

Speaker 1

Just like, why would you let all that happen if you are just picking and choosing what you want done? Because I mean, if he would Latinos have enough. When you step in, you can be because Doctor Doom has got an ego problem. Oh, for sure. But like then you could step in and be the savior instead of having The Avengers do it, you know? 

00:31:54:05 – 00:31:55:01

Speaker 1

I mean, so like. 

00:31:55:08 – 00:31:57:16

Speaker 2

But now the world is in a different kind of chaos. 

00:31:57:21 – 00:32:01:14

Speaker 1

Well, I think it’s hard because I don’t know where we are in the timeline. 

00:32:01:17 – 00:32:02:23

Speaker 2

We’re not in the timeline. 

00:32:02:28 – 00:32:22:26

Speaker 1

Exactly. Yeah, but that’s that’s also my point is like, we’re not fully in the timeline. So it’s like we’re sitting here and that’s and it’s like, where are we’re running parallel to our MCU. But I don’t know where we’re running parallel for. I just somewhere past 2012 timeline. So it’s hard because like, where is this eventually going to spit out into our timelines. 

00:32:22:26 – 00:32:28:11

Speaker 1

Yeah, and that is where the multiverse is because this show has to create it. All right. Created. Well, yeah. 

00:32:28:11 – 00:32:30:28

Speaker 2

Because you have the trash bin, which is technically its own universe. 

00:32:30:29 – 00:32:38:16

Speaker 1

Well, yeah. And it has to ask the multiverse is, oh, is it just they just are getting busted more. 

00:32:38:25 – 00:32:43:00

Speaker 2

No, I think the TV I blocking the multiverse from existing. 

00:32:43:01 – 00:32:53:23

Speaker 1

Well to some degree if you’re going to say that the Loki’s on our on their own planet and ah the multiverse themselves and guess what they would have had to have existed for a longer. There’s a ton of Loki’s over the years. 

00:32:53:27 – 00:32:56:21

Speaker 2

Right. I’m saying there are no multiverses outside of the trash bin. 

00:32:56:24 – 00:32:57:24

Speaker 1

Okay. I guess. 

00:32:58:00 – 00:33:00:26

Speaker 2

Because that’s the whole point of the secret time sacred timeline. 

00:33:00:29 – 00:33:16:20

Speaker 1

Right? Yeah. But then just letting that one even somewhat exist to his own degree and be the way it is, like that’s a huge threat that they’re just literally are letting build up. Like they’re literally have essentially a timeline that could just be just Loki’s. They couldn’t even do with the two they had. 

00:33:16:21 – 00:33:19:24

Speaker 2

I don’t know, I don’t have an answer for you. I truly don’t. I just wish. That they’d just be like, boom, busted the multiverse as open and yeah, okay. 

00:33:24:14 – 00:33:27:07

Speaker 2

Like a clear sign that we have arrived. 

00:33:27:11 – 00:33:46:27

Speaker 1

Well, I know there was a whole I mean, if you were on MCU Twitter this week, there was an entire meltdown because the ending of Wandavision is changed. People think, well, there are when you put the stills side by side, they are different. But now there’s a whole thing about like this little. Okay, some people are like, it’s just a glare. 

00:33:46:28 – 00:34:03:22

Speaker 1

It’s just like a water spot on the thing. And then other people are saying, or it could be like Doctor Strange Astro like they’re nothing. And it’s like coming down off the mountain towards the cabin. And when you put the stills next to each other, too, you can tell is different. Like certain trees are missing. Certain parts and like. 

00:34:03:22 – 00:34:05:21

Speaker 2

Not missing from where we first saw. 

00:34:05:22 – 00:34:11:04

Speaker 1

No, I’m sorry. I’m talking about at the very, very end of the credits. And yes, I mean, when it first aired versus now if they. 

00:34:11:08 – 00:34:12:22

Speaker 2

Changed it, it looks a. Little different. I did like a fan theory where someone was like, is it a multiverse taking affect? 

00:34:17:25 – 00:34:19:00

Speaker 2

Holy crap. 

00:34:19:00 – 00:34:30:12

Speaker 1

And then I was like, Do you know how interesting that would be? If that’s what Marvel did though, and you had to go back and watch things and they were changing little things that would be so freaking cool. 

00:34:30:22 – 00:34:35:05

Speaker 2

It would. But also I can debunk that. I’ve been watching the old movies and they’re the same. 

00:34:35:05 – 00:34:43:05

Speaker 1

Well, I’m not saying they’re doing that with everything, but they might be doing it with Wandavision. I’m just saying it would be cool if they would have done it with like Other world. 

00:34:43:17 – 00:35:02:25

Speaker 2

It would be interesting if, like they get small enough the changes, but they maybe they didn’t know exactly how Loki was ending. So like they’re almost changing it retroactively enough that they think we won’t notice, even though we all know know more. So that it kind of parallels a little more with the ending of Loki that might not have been totally established. 

00:35:02:25 – 00:35:10:14

Speaker 1

That’s what it. Yeah. And but that’s why I just was saying it would be cool if they went through and like you had to watch some of the old movies to even notice things were different, you know, like. 

00:35:10:15 – 00:35:11:15

Speaker 2

For now, they’re the same. 

00:35:11:15 – 00:35:32:10

Speaker 1

Guys. Yeah. Yeah. The dark world for now, to our knowledge, everything. I’m just saying, if that fan theory holds true and the wandavision difference is a little because it is different. I’ve seen the stills and it’s stupid small stuff like on the like on the original. There was a line of trees up the mountain and on the new one, the line. 

00:35:32:16 – 00:35:50:03

Speaker 1

Or maybe it’s backwards either way, on one of them, there’s a line of trees up the mountain. On the other one, it’s like you can see, like it’s like a line from the mountains like side. And then the trees start further down. And like when you’re looking at the shot, the trees that are on the lake, there’s like some that are missing. 

00:35:50:03 – 00:36:05:13

Speaker 1

So you can see a little more and then there’s like some that like it’s weird. It is weird. I’ve seen it like I’ve, I’ve been seeing the like, stills. And then someone was talking about that little, like, weird looking or it looks like like a ghost, like a little, like, floating, like. And it goes down towards the cabin. 

00:36:05:13 – 00:36:11:06

Speaker 1

And like I said, some people are saying it’s a, it’s a strange but I’m like, I don’t think Marvel would one. 

00:36:11:23 – 00:36:12:27

Speaker 2

It an out of state. 

00:36:13:08 – 00:36:15:18

Speaker 1

Yeah yeah. And so I was like I don’t know. 

00:36:15:18 – 00:36:40:06

Speaker 2

I just this wouldn’t be the first time that Disney has released something and then changed it later. I’m going to switch franchises here and bring it back to Star Wars. But a lot of people remember when one of the episodes in The Mandalorian, I remember which one it was in season two, you can see one of the production people was not totally out of frame and about like a third of his body was in the shot and everybody loved it. 

00:36:40:06 – 00:36:47:01

Speaker 2

We thought it was fantastic, but those who went to see it a few days later noticed that it was gone. So they actually rerelease. 

00:36:47:01 – 00:36:51:17

Speaker 1

And that’s why I wonder, because happening now. 

00:36:51:26 – 00:36:52:08

Speaker 2

Mm hmm. 

00:36:52:13 – 00:36:59:13

Speaker 1

Not mine. It’s like I said, the edit is almost. It would be making it worse. Yeah. Than the original. 

00:36:59:13 – 00:37:01:17

Speaker 2

Not fixing an hair production. Yeah. 

00:37:01:24 – 00:37:09:10

Speaker 1

And to my point, it’s happening now. Yeah. In the middle of Loki, which is literally been messing with the timeline. 

00:37:09:10 – 00:37:27:10

Speaker 2

Unless and here’s a thought for you. It may not have anything to do with Loki. How many of will matter here? They’re done filming the multiverse of madness. So maybe while they’re in the editing room, they have to make some things connect a little more. So they’re like, Oh, we can just rerelease this and tie it in in a better way. 

00:37:27:10 – 00:37:28:28

Speaker 1

Or it could still have, or maybe. 

00:37:28:28 – 00:37:31:11

Speaker 2

It’s the first fricking scene of the movie. Yeah, you know. 

00:37:31:11 – 00:37:45:25

Speaker 1

And I mean, it could still have to do with the fact that the multiverse might be already taken. It definitely could, but it could just know what I’m saying. But it could still just as easily be rolling into instead of it having to do with Loki. It’s already rolling into that movie. Yeah, No. And that’s what I mean. 

00:37:45:25 – 00:37:54:22

Speaker 1

Like we didn’t see it in full in Wandavision. So it has to be coming to us in Loki because we have the Spider-Man series at the end of the year. Mm hmm. 

00:37:55:07 – 00:37:55:25

Speaker 2

That’s movie. 

00:37:56:13 – 00:38:13:22

Speaker 1

I. Well, I was, I was thinking I said Spider-Man. So I kind of had to go with the idea. I was like, Well, I was talking about the multiple spider-men that are happening, but you would almost have to have something bust open because we I mean, the only they’re not going to open, they’re not going to open the multiverse and end credits scene. 

00:38:13:22 – 00:38:14:18

Speaker 1

I’m sorry, they’re not. Going to do it they origin story because it would overshadow. The. Origin story. So that totally takes out Shang-Chi. 

00:38:20:22 – 00:38:25:20

Speaker 1

And the town, not because that’s supposed to be her somewhat not fully but kind of origin story. 

00:38:25:20 – 00:38:29:27

Speaker 2

Well also it takes out not for multiple reasons. One this happened seven years ago. 

00:38:30:14 – 00:38:31:29

Speaker 1

Yeah that’s even more. True that and she is much like Falcon, the Winter Soldier on the ground, boots on. This is an espionage movie. Like every say like review I’ve seen is this is a great spy movie. So we’re talking like James Bond, Mission Impossible type stuff. 

00:38:48:09 – 00:38:56:22

Speaker 1

And like I said, but like to my point, but it’s not all be and they’re not going to do it and they will not do it and could see it. So it has to happen in Loki at this point. 

00:38:57:01 – 00:39:13:26

Speaker 2

And you know, he is none of the even the other shows that are coming out before Spider-Man, Hawkeye is going to be very boots on the ground. It’s going to be another espionage show. She-Hulk obviously has some I don’t say magical elements is more scientific, but it’s not going to be it doesn’t naturally lend itself to the multiverse. 

00:39:13:26 – 00:39:17:25

Speaker 2

And Ms.. Marvel, again, more scientific space, but not so much.

 00:39:17:25 – 00:39:20:02

Speaker 1

Will that be Alphas for Spider-Man? 

00:39:20:02 – 00:39:23:03

Speaker 2

I thought it was going to be out in 2021, so. 

00:39:23:03 – 00:39:30:27

Speaker 1

Because I haven’t really been hearing anything about. No, they’re all like, I’ve heard things about Hawkeye and a little bit I just start hearing a little about She-Hulk, but I have not been hearing about this. 

00:39:30:27 – 00:39:36:13

Speaker 2

Now, I did hear that they were unhappy with the actress that they cast. But again, take that with a grain of salt because I just. Remember I saw it. 

00:39:37:19 – 00:39:42:17

Speaker 2

So she may be killing it and that’s just completely off base. So we don’t want to say this. 

00:39:42:27 – 00:40:03:25

Speaker 1

I think at the end of the day, I think I’ve said this for every Loki episode. I feel like we just need to wait until next episode, never answers. And then it’s like, Well, here comes the next episode. I know less. I know so much like you can’t. And I know we said probably at episode one, you can’t believe everything we’re being told about time travel, about time in itself. 

00:40:03:25 – 00:40:24:23

Speaker 1

Anything that TVA is telling us. But it just I guess I’m a little frustrated because it’s making it hard to put things in place because it’s like I remember sitting here first episode, I said to you, okay, so this means this about the multiverse and variance caused multiverse, and that’s its own thing. The multiverse is not like its own place.

 00:40:24:23 – 00:40:46:12

Speaker 1

It’s a variant that reaches a certain point, whatever. I remember saying that and it says so equals be fine. Fine. Well, no, it doesn’t. It is not. It will be like there is so much more happening. Yeah. And just like I can understand how these variants and I said this, you, how are they all living in the TVA which I get is kind of off its own little bubble but you got all these variants living out here. 

00:40:46:12 – 00:40:47:14

Speaker 1

I don’t understand. 

00:40:47:15 – 00:40:50:13

Speaker 2

What they do there doesn’t affect the timeline. That’s why everything that look. 

00:40:50:14 – 00:41:00:09

Speaker 1

But they go but they go in all those times and there’s still so they’re putting these variants technically back in time. It’s not their time. How does that not mess things up? They’re still variants. 

00:41:00:13 – 00:41:01:16

Speaker 2

Because they reset. 

00:41:01:19 – 00:41:05:28

Speaker 1

Yeah, I just. I don’t know, dude. I just it’s I am just so confused. 

00:41:06:07 – 00:41:16:21

Speaker 2

Honestly, I think the biggest thing that got a reaction out of me this week was the double death fake of both Mobius and Loki. Mobius. I screamed and then I Love.

 00:41:16:21 – 00:41:24:15

Speaker 1

You was trying to make his move and the girl weirdo really just, like, zapped him. I love him. There’s man. 

00:41:24:18 – 00:41:38:06

Speaker 2

Just be love. Just like Loki. Like the thing with Loki is a character is like he gets so little positive reinforcement, like the little bit he gets from Thor and the little bit I think he’s really the only oh, and the little bit he gets from first. 

00:41:38:07 – 00:41:39:07

Speaker 1

Like, Forget US. 

00:41:39:07 – 00:41:45:14

Speaker 2

Is like Amy. It just changes his entire being. When you see him. Like, just that big smile. 

00:41:45:14 – 00:41:47:09

Speaker 1

Accepted for who he is. Yeah. And so. 

00:41:47:09 – 00:41:49:02

Speaker 2

For Mobius to do that like you. 

00:41:49:13 – 00:41:51:00

Speaker 1

Like, and then he literally does. 

00:41:51:00 – 00:41:59:16

Speaker 2

Yeah, it was like, it’s just such a Loki trope at this point that, like, honestly, I receive love and then that person is going to be taken from him. Yeah. 

00:41:59:19 – 00:42:23:00

Speaker 1

No, I honestly thought that was so funny. Your reaction to it when Loki like, quote unquote died? Because let me just say this to everyone. I have lost Loki about seven times. I’ve lost Wanda, I’ve lost Bucky about, what, two, three times? And I’ve watched not die. So considering my top four can count, my top four have consistently died on screen. 

00:42:23:00 – 00:42:29:09

Speaker 1

I really was on his side. I was more shocked because I was like, Where is this going to take us? 

00:42:29:10 – 00:42:40:00

Speaker 2

I for me, I’m not going to live in a cap girl this whole time. Cap and Spidey have been my dudes. But Loki has swiftly moved up to the ranks into my top three as of late fake. 

00:42:40:05 – 00:42:41:27

Speaker 1

So no, my. Top two are still my top two. I’m allowed to move things around the lower ranks. 

00:42:46:02 – 00:42:47:08

Speaker 1

Some of us have been here or. 

00:42:47:09 – 00:43:02:18

Speaker 2

Whatever anyway, so this is my first time watching Loki quote unquote die as a Loki real Loki fan. So in like a larger sense. So that was definitely painful. Especially thing to following Mobius like in second. Place. That. I didn’t expect. But at the same time I kind of did. Just because the TVA is everything technically, they essentially have all these people brainwashed to just anything that goes wrong, and there’s so many of them, it was like, Great, there’s four of them against it are even now, like they’re endless amounts. You kind of get to them like a good luck.

 00:43:24:18 – 00:43:43:02

Speaker 2

Yeah, well, I’m not going to lie though. When Loki was trying desperately to to tell Sylvie how he felt. Hmm. I don’t know. You guys were also feeling a pit in your stomach. But whenever there is someone professing their love and the camera shot is over the receiver shoulder, I get nervous. 

00:43:43:02 – 00:43:51:14

Speaker 1

You know, I’ve watched enough of Halloween, the movie series from the 1970s, 1978, I believe, was the first one to. Know that you know that off the top of your head. 

00:43:53:16 – 00:44:19:16

Speaker 1

I have seen it often. But I would like to say that because I’ve seen those movies very often and they’ve made like 19,000 of them, newer ones, not so great. But anyway, you get used to looking past the character and you get used to looking at open space because that was always there. Camera trick with him was that you’re looking like the character might be like right here within the first. 

00:44:19:16 – 00:44:35:00

Speaker 1

Like left side of the frame and that first one third. And for some reason the whole two thirds of the screen is, you know, I mean, it’s the perfect way and you get used to looking behind the characters. And so I was looking I was what I was like. There’s a lot of open space, but I was not. 

00:44:35:00 – 00:44:37:06

Speaker 1

I was like, Something’s going to happen. I know that. 

00:44:37:06 – 00:44:41:16

Speaker 2

But I just didn’t think they would, quote unquote, kill. No, I didn’t think it was that. 

00:44:41:21 – 00:44:59:14

Speaker 1

I didn’t think it was going to happen. But I, I honestly expected whoever was behind that the timekeepers to just like, pop up. That’s what I was expecting. Hey. Oh, I was expecting whoever had been kind of, like, controlling things to just be like, because I really went too seriously with the Wizard of Oz thing and thought, you know, where is the curtain? 

00:45:00:08 – 00:45:08:01

Speaker 2

I actually thought the little platform they were on was going to move forward. Very. Because you put The Wizard of Oz. Yeah, through my head. And so like. They’re very similar. 

00:45:10:07 – 00:45:23:01

Speaker 2

Like they’re raised up and they’re almost like levitating almost. Yeah. And so I kind of expected that like upper third or maybe two thirds or like to like move forward and for me to see like, oh, here’s the person with all the levers. Like, yeah, I was kind of expecting, like. 

00:45:23:01 – 00:45:37:21

Speaker 1

I was expecting some kind of a shot behind look, No, no, but I was still expecting something to happen, like someone runs into the room, so I just didn’t think and I should have because that happens everywhere. And I will say as much as I love like in this episode had had me, this episode had. 

00:45:37:21 – 00:45:38:18

Speaker 2

Me, this was. 

00:45:38:18 – 00:45:53:16

Speaker 1

But I will say I was the only thing if I had to be that person who points out at least one thing that was a little error was that I think it followed a lot of the usual tropes, like it was the whole like, you know, like even with that scene where I was like, well, she punches her. 

00:45:53:16 – 00:46:10:11

Speaker 1

Well, of course she’s not dead and she’s only unconscious 4.5 seconds, just long enough until Luke is having a moment and then she kills kind of kills him. Like I was like, okay. Or like the whole thing with Mobius and how, like, he gets, like, the whole situation in general. But then he gets caught and then he was like, Yeah, screw you. 

00:46:10:11 – 00:46:14:28

Speaker 1

And then I’m like, I was like, okay, some of these are the have been played enough in TV. 

00:46:15:02 – 00:46:23:09

Speaker 2

Just like, even, like, like I said, like an entire trope of someone gives Loki validation, love, affection, Yeah. Sentence. And then they’re immediately ripped away. 

00:46:23:09 – 00:46:32:26

Speaker 1

Yeah. Like sometimes, like I say, in the nicest of ways because I loved this episode, but I suppose it just gets a little old those who could do something else, because that was slightly expected. 

00:46:32:28 – 00:46:33:27

Speaker 2

I think they made up for it. Though, with that loss. I’m kind of for sure for sure. 

00:46:36:26 – 00:46:43:13

Speaker 2

I know you and I too, like before they show that unconditionally, like we knew there was one, we’d seen it and we hadn’t. Seen it. I have heard mentioned. 

00:46:44:24 – 00:46:59:13

Speaker 2

That there was one, but I know like his, you know, you see Loki and then Sylvie basically, you know, angry. Ah, she tells our our hey, you’re going to tell me everything. Yeah. And that basically ends the show proper, right?

 00:46:59:14 – 00:46:59:22

Speaker 1

Yeah. 

00:47:00:14 – 00:47:22:13

Speaker 2

And you and I during those first couple of credits, were discussing like, does this mean because technically the show is called Loki, you could still have the show and make it about Sylvie because even though she identifies as Sylvie, she is a Loki. So you and I had a genuine conversation about is this the last time Tom Hiddleston as Loki? 

00:47:22:13 – 00:47:31:09

Speaker 2

Like, are we going to see future episodes, potential future seasons Center Sylvie As Loki That scared the crap out of me. Well, I. Was like, Not this way. If this is what you’re gonna if that’s the direction to go, well, no, no, I guess it really was like it had that climax to it and it had that shock and it had the factors it needed to. I just think I was like, for a man who’s been in this franchise for ten years. 

00:47:52:04 – 00:48:02:20

Speaker 1

Yes, that would have been so shocking if that’s what you did. And that’s how it ended with him. And you really would have had people talking about that forever. But I don’t think it would have done him justice. 

00:48:02:20 – 00:48:21:26

Speaker 2

I also two points there. I think you’re right. It wouldn’t have done him justice. And here’s my point. One, I say anticlimactic because he’s not killed by someone of a stature high enough to kill Loki. When he was killed by Thanos, he was killed by Thanos, the mad Titan. Okay, that. That makes sense. 

00:48:22:01 – 00:48:23:08

Speaker 1

Still has me angry. But anyway. 

00:48:23:10 – 00:48:29:24

Speaker 2

But for him to be killed by some random with a glow stick like that’s not a death deserving. 

00:48:29:25 – 00:48:33:16

Speaker 1

You know what it gave me vibes of? It gave me dark world vibes when he died in the dark world. 

00:48:33:22 – 00:48:35:08

Speaker 2

Yeah, I just watched that movie. 

00:48:35:08 – 00:48:39:07

Speaker 1

Yeah. 100%. It was. Oh, it was like, okay, when that guy. Yeah. 

00:48:39:08 – 00:48:40:29

Speaker 2

Okay. And into the spirit, basically. 

00:48:40:29 – 00:48:45:29

Speaker 1

Yeah. Yeah. And it was like, What? Yeah. Okay. Like, you know, like. 

00:48:46:01 – 00:48:49:08

Speaker 2

It just was like, what the freak? Like, where did this come from exactly? 

00:48:49:08 – 00:48:58:01

Speaker 1

So I just think like, it just didn’t have I mean, honestly, that’s kind of how I felt about saying I was like, yeah, I was like, Oh, the mad type of way he died.

 00:48:58:04 – 00:49:19:26

Speaker 2

That was my son. And my first point was, she’s not good enough to be the one who kills Loki. My second point is Loki was not given the grandiose death that he deserved in Infinity War. It was not. I don’t know. This is probably going to ruffle some feathers. Putting him on the same pedestal as like Tony. But like Tony had this big, grandiose theatrical death. 

00:49:19:26 – 00:49:21:00

Speaker 2

Right. And like. 

00:49:21:01 – 00:49:33:25

Speaker 1

Well, even not not sacrifice itself the same way that Loki sacrificed herself. And it was she had such a like it was like, whoa, yeah. But with him it was like, seriously, they’re both jacked. 

00:49:33:25 – 00:49:41:25

Speaker 2

They’re both both Matt and Tony are played for these, like theatrical and big, big, big deaths. And I think, yeah, they’re just like Avengers and like there. 

00:49:41:25 – 00:49:43:25

Speaker 1

That there are two of the I mean, so. 

00:49:43:26 – 00:49:50:23

Speaker 2

He has been part of this franchise for a very long time in various roles as well, just for villains and you. Know that. Anti-Hero. 

00:49:52:08 – 00:50:08:22

Speaker 1

Is why so many people wanted to believe he wasn’t dead because one who would he’s a God and he fought with knives seriously in that circumstance. And two, it was like, we’ve seen it. Yes, we’ve seen him die before. But all the deaths, we see him die before he comes back from them. But they had the same vibe. 

00:50:08:22 – 00:50:12:12

Speaker 1

They weren’t. Whoa. He just died. It was like, what the. Freak. Except for maybe at the end of Thor when he lets go in the Bifrost. 

00:50:17:05 – 00:50:30:04

Speaker 1

Yeah, but even then, it was like once you. But that was the first Thor. And then you seem like that’s the first time you didn’t come back. So like, yeah, you’re going to get that shock factor no matter what. It’s like when you saw Bucky die and it was like, Oh my God, And he comes back as Avengers only like, Oh, okay, Yeah. 

00:50:30:17 – 00:50:54:01

Speaker 1

So I definitely got yeah, But I think it’s just because every other one of his deaths was just so almost random. Yeah, I was just like, oh, let’s, we haven’t killed Loki off yet in this movie, so I think we should do it right here. This seems great. And that’s why people were mad with Infinity War and people were convinced he didn’t die because it just seemed like first 5 minutes you just turn the friggin movie on in the in the theaters. 

00:50:54:01 – 00:50:58:13

Speaker 1

And he died with his not getting completely like cracked. Well, I don’t get that. 

00:50:58:16 – 00:51:05:17

Speaker 2

Yeah. So that’s why to me like, yes, I thought he was dead and that was sad. But there was also a part of me that was like I. Just froze. 

00:51:06:01 – 00:51:18:16

Speaker 2

For no way because there’s no way they’re going to take the only Loki we’ve got left and take him out this way. In the same way you took him out and Thanos too early before the action really started. 

00:51:18:16 – 00:51:25:18

Speaker 1

Oh, yeah. And that’s. That’s why I was just like I. You were freaking out. You’re walking around the kitchen, like, freaking out. 

00:51:25:26 – 00:51:27:07

Speaker 2

I was having a meltdown. 

00:51:27:08 – 00:51:38:02

Speaker 1

I always sat there and I just was like, I just froze. I literally froze for about a minute to 2 minutes, and just nothing happened because I was like, No, no, no, because do not. 

00:51:38:02 – 00:51:38:20

Speaker 2

Fully not. 

00:51:38:24 – 00:51:58:09

Speaker 1

Know. So I am glad to have you know, this is how I knew there was an end kind of scene someone was showing it was a meme, and I can’t explain the meme fully, but I’ll just say it was like me watching the end of the episode and it was like a complete, like shock and disgusted face. And there was like me seeing the I could have seen and they were like all happy. 

00:51:58:12 – 00:52:14:23

Speaker 1

And I was like, okay, what does this mean? So I kind of had a feeling something more was coming because I was like, people were happy at the end of that with the end credits scene. So clearly it meant something more. But yeah, so I’m intrigued. I’m intrigued where this leaves us for episode five because obviously we’re not going to be in a world of Loki’s.

 00:52:14:23 – 00:52:17:25

Speaker 2

I think we’re going to see the president. 

00:52:17:25 – 00:52:36:02

Speaker 1

Loki this We have to I can’t see where else would be seeing him. Oh wait, I do have to say this and I have to take it back. So we were wrong. Oh, my God, this is torture. And the only reason I’m really mad because I really dubbed that lighting so hard to make it look like her. You could just tell. Because it was her level theatrics. 

00:52:38:09 – 00:52:55:08

Speaker 1

Because all the other lighting on that freaking moon was not like that until that and that thought it was so saturated and it had to be because I’m sorry, but that’s how you get blond hair like that. It’s so saturated. I was like, I kept saying to you, That doesn’t even look like her. That doesn’t even look like. 

00:52:55:08 – 00:52:56:26

Speaker 2

So she was very salty, literally. 

00:52:56:26 – 00:53:18:03

Speaker 1

Doesn’t even look like her. So anyway, I just had to say that because it needed to be said, we, we said the possibility of it being wrong. Okay. But I also want to say this. Sorry, this takes us on a little bit of a tangent, but, you know, when she said all those little timed things to all the different places, so I guess they stopped them all right. 

00:53:18:04 – 00:53:19:26

Speaker 2

I was just about, oh, same. 

00:53:19:26 – 00:53:26:08

Speaker 1

Thing because I was thinking about Josh on Boromir and then I was like, Wait, it sent to all these locations where really prime events. 

00:53:26:08 – 00:53:27:09

Speaker 2

Happened Hala. 

00:53:27:09 – 00:53:27:16

Speaker 1

And. 

00:53:28:01 – 00:53:28:13

Speaker 2

Hala. 

00:53:28:19 – 00:53:29:11

Speaker 1

Yeah, yeah. I think. There’s. A ton that just like are important locations to begin with. And we but you saw. The sacred timeline today and it was friggin all. 

00:53:39:25 – 00:53:44:08

Speaker 1

We ever saw was them having a bunch of their guys in uniform there. 

00:53:44:20 – 00:53:48:25

Speaker 2

But they were monitoring the timeline. Yeah, but it was tight so they fixed it. 

00:53:48:25 – 00:53:52:03

Speaker 1

I guess they had to have. So that’s super annoying.

 00:53:52:03 – 00:53:55:00

Speaker 2

Yeah, because I really thought that was it. I thought. 

00:53:55:00 – 00:54:01:06

Speaker 1

Well, I mean, that’s not even why I’m in awe. I’m like, I don’t know, like, I guess not at this point of like you did. 

00:54:01:09 – 00:54:07:29

Speaker 2

Like they went to all that trouble to point out, like, really important spot. Yeah. Just show us. They were pointing out importance. And it just ended up being near to nothing. 

00:54:10:07 – 00:54:12:23

Speaker 2

Yeah, like another really intense red herring. 

00:54:13:06 – 00:54:23:02

Speaker 1

Yeah, Because honestly, where it didn’t really further much of a plot, it was her whole thing. But then all it. She didn’t even need to activate all of it because Loki followed her anyway. That wasn’t. The point. 

00:54:23:16 – 00:54:40:27

Speaker 1

No, I know, but I’m just saying, like, think about it that way. Loki was going to follow her out of where? We’re out of that supermarket anyway, so technically, she didn’t even. We saw the whole thing where she activated and sent them all everywhere. And then they go bye bye, and then they end up on well, first they end up in the TVA 4.5 seconds and then they end up on the moon. 

00:54:40:27 – 00:54:49:08

Speaker 2

But you’re missing the whole point. Her goal was to get the TVA out of the TVA so she would have access to the timekeepers. Right.

 00:54:49:09 – 00:54:56:05

Speaker 1

But my point being is like, as soon as she enters the TVA, she’s almost apprehended immediately. So it’s like it. Doesn’t she know? 

00:54:56:05 – 00:55:02:27

Speaker 2

Not when was there with Loki. They were there by themselves pretty much that she was standing at the door to the timekeepers. 

00:55:03:07 – 00:55:05:24

Speaker 1

Oh, I guess she almost won. 

00:55:05:24 – 00:55:16:05

Speaker 2

That’s that’s. Well, our our whole thing was at the beginning. She was like she was standing out here outside the timekeepers door. Well, he was never supposed to be there was about it was about getting. The freaking thing open because we talked about that during that episode. I said she kept the door open long because like any other time they close. 

00:55:24:08 – 00:55:26:15

Speaker 2

Maybe she was just focused on the fact that her Plan. B, he ended up messing up her entire island. 

00:55:29:10 – 00:55:33:11

Speaker 2

It was she did not expect him to even be there, even at Rostker. 

00:55:33:17 – 00:55:53:02

Speaker 1

Court, I think. I think she did. Yeah. I feel like she said she did because she was like, she hasn’t been there and I don’t remember the line. But either way I just was a little annoyed because I’m the kind of person that gets a little tired when things always go right. Like, sometimes I’m like, Of course this movie ended this way because it couldn’t have ended any other way. 

00:55:53:05 – 00:56:05:10

Speaker 1

Something could have. Actually. That’s why I loved Infinity War so much, because did it suck to see all that I go with emotionally? Yeah. I mean, did I go and do a moment of silence for about 2 hours? And I was walking in the rain. With crying on the street. 

00:56:06:12 – 00:56:26:29

Speaker 1

I was walking in the rain with ice cream and my Avengers blanket crying like it doesn’t get more intense than that. Sobbing on the sidewalk. I literally like. But it was different, you know, We didn’t win. And it was a it was a change of pace, but it was a change of pace and it was shocking. And it had I was like, whoa, holy nuts. 

00:56:26:29 – 00:56:39:18

Speaker 1

That just happened. And so sometimes and not even just with Marvel, sometimes. I just got annoyed though, in general that it’s like, Oh, of course. Oh yeah. They came and say that, Oh yeah, they did it. So I was like a little I was like, excited. I thought we would, you know, even though. With Endgame, like, yeah, they won, but at what cost? Like there were a lot of losses. 

00:56:44:06 – 00:57:00:10

Speaker 1

Well, yeah. And I just was like, Oh, you know, something cool is going to happen. She’s messing up all these timelines. Maybe we’re going to travel throughout all these this time trying to fix it, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, or trying to, you know, do whatever. And then it was like a side plot moving forward with the rest of it. 

00:57:00:24 – 00:57:05:03

Speaker 2

We didn’t even get to see them like really mobile, Like we saw them go in the doors and mobilize. 

00:57:05:03 – 00:57:05:29

Speaker 1

And that was literally. 

00:57:05:29 – 00:57:09:01

Speaker 2

It. Yeah. After that they were like, We fixed the problem. 

00:57:09:01 – 00:57:16:02

Speaker 1

We’re good. It’s done. So I don’t know, I just had to bring that up. I know that didn’t really pertain directly to this. No, I was. Thinking the same. 

00:57:16:20 – 00:57:30:14

Speaker 1

Exact thing. Okay, I’m glad you were because I really was sitting here and I kind of just was thinking about it. I thought about it first when we saw that scene where we thought it might have been Natasha. And then I didn’t say anything because we were watching the show. So I was like, okay, that’s not like super relevant. 

00:57:30:23 – 00:57:31:14

Speaker 1

I thought about. It when we saw the timeline. I was like, Wait, isn’t it supposed to have a bunch of branches right now? And it was like just straight up boring. And I was like, Well. 

00:57:38:17 – 00:57:48:02

Speaker 1

I had the one that was literally close to redlining because, look, he’s falling in love with himself anyway. But yeah, so I don’t know. This was a great episode. This is probably my favorite episode. 

00:57:48:03 – 00:58:06:16

Speaker 2

I mean, I, I can’t remember the last time an episode. Okay, I can the last time an episode of Marvel, a marvel show. Many screamed like this was one cap on a cap. Yeah, Cap. Sam Cap came out in his, like, super comic accurate suit and danced around the kitchen for a while because I was so happy. 

00:58:06:16 – 00:58:17:13

Speaker 1

With that one. I screamed and fell to the ground. I think it was. I did that a couple of times during that episode and a lot of them had to do with when Bucky was doing his like great things since. 

00:58:17:27 – 00:58:22:26

Speaker 2

The last time the two of us really reacted in this way was the season finale of. 

00:58:23:02 – 00:58:26:26

Speaker 1

It and before that it was Pietro. Yeah, but not. 

00:58:27:02 – 00:58:29:26

Speaker 2

Pietro. When Evan Peters, when they opened the door to Evan. Peters decide to be our fake Pedro fear. So and I just. 

00:58:34:10 – 00:58:35:27

Speaker 2

The worst red herring of all. 

00:58:35:27 – 00:58:56:18

Speaker 1

Time. Yeah, but yeah, no, that was this episode had me, like, from the beginning to the end. It had the action. I needed. It had me thinking, had me all over the freakin place. I was like, I was like, Yo, what the heck is going on? And I am just more and more confused. I wish I could give everyone answers about what is happening with the TV and what the TV was going on about. Answers. 

00:58:57:08 – 00:59:01:07

Speaker 1

Yeah, I have no clue. No clue. And that’s, that’s okay on the. Fun of it. 

00:59:02:01 – 00:59:07:00

Speaker 1

But I also sit there, you know what we still have to obsess on? Savi was like, we only had two episodes. 

00:59:07:05 – 00:59:10:21

Speaker 2

Okay, that’s like, okay, But we had our leave of content. Yeah, but. 

00:59:10:21 – 00:59:22:09

Speaker 1

We at least have two more. And if I know, maybe Marvel changed it on me. But if the past two shows tell me anything, they like to wrap our TV shows up, at least somewhat. Yeah. I mean, there’s definitely some. Open ends, but like, they.Wrap them up enough that you feel. 

00:59:25:04 – 00:59:27:14

Speaker 2

Good. Yeah. You like it? Like, is this. 

00:59:27:14 – 00:59:29:03

Speaker 1

Perfect balance of like, okay, the. 

00:59:29:03 – 00:59:38:11

Speaker 2

Main conflict and plot points of this show are wrapped up, but here are a few threads for you to pull on until like the next time these characters show up. Well, yeah. 

00:59:38:14 – 01:00:06:28

Speaker 1

And it’s and you know, I didn’t love the wandavision ending. We talked about that, that just I loved the Falcon and the Winter Soldier one So good. But they had the same idea of where, like enough was wrapped up that you felt you could walk away from, that you were like, Yes. So I know unless I said they change something to a degree, this show will wrap itself up enough for me to feel good and walk away from it and be like, okay, so I have to be able to understand something because right now I don’t. 

01:00:07:17 – 01:00:13:02

Speaker 1

Yeah, So I don’t know. I think that’s where that leads us, where episode five leads us to a lot of Loki’s. 

01:00:13:05 – 01:00:14:21

Speaker 2

Which is going to be amazing. 

01:00:14:25 – 01:00:18:03

Speaker 1

Which must be a lot to understand. 

01:00:18:03 – 01:00:19:27

Speaker 2

We clearly narcissism in one word. 

01:00:20:03 – 01:00:32:22

Speaker 1

I think it’s going to be interesting because we’re going to see Loki versions of Loki that look nothing like Loki, of course, but we’re going to see versions of Loki that look exactly like our Loki and that’s going to be even more interesting. Yeah, right. Well, if we. End up following the wrong Loki out of this world, like, truly. 

01:00:36:14 – 01:00:38:09

Speaker 1

I mean, that could literally happen. 

01:00:38:15 – 01:00:53:18

Speaker 2

I know. And, like, what if it’s like a real douchebag Loki? Like, Loki had his moments where he was a real turd hole. So, like, what if we get, like, Avengers cookie, like full on, not defeated, but in the middle of battling New York Avengers? Loki like, I just like. 

01:00:53:22 – 01:01:15:00

Speaker 1

Well, there could also be a variant of Loki that somehow managed to win the battle of New York. You realize that, right? Like, Oh yeah. And also we still have not seen that trip in New York. Things. I wonder if it’s coming now. Yeah, we still have my thinking about that because the background behind the other Loki’s, they were definitely in like some messed up land, but I wasn’t sure. 

01:01:15:01 – 01:01:16:02

Speaker 2

It was a dystopia. 

01:01:16:06 – 01:01:22:21

Speaker 1

Yeah, but it wasn’t This part of it wasn’t the same lighting or he also, I believe it. He was like, when was blowing it? 

01:01:22:21 – 01:01:27:24

Speaker 2

Oh, well, what if they decide to empty that? Okay, I got. The world’s greatest metaphor for. This. Okay, so you know how on your computer you have a trash bin? Yeah, but your trash bin doesn’t empty. It just sits there collecting until. You empty it. What if the TVA takes out the variant trash? 

01:01:41:22 – 01:01:43:15

Speaker 1

But where are they going to take other the variant trash? 

01:01:43:18 – 01:01:44:07

Speaker 2

What if they just. Kill them all as possible?

 01:01:45:27 – 01:02:00:06

Speaker 2

Like, what if they keep the Loki’s around to see if they’ll be useful? Right? But now they’re like, okay, they’re too dangerous. So now we need to take them out. Like, what if President Loki gets them to work together, right? And they’re creating all kinds of chaos or whatever? 

01:02:00:06 – 01:02:04:24

Speaker 1

The and Loki didn’t exactly seem like he was going to be a great leader. 

01:02:05:05 – 01:02:20:16

Speaker 2

Whatever. I’m just saying, this is. This is a Loki with a glorious purpose. This Loki has a purpose. So what if he rallies all of his other selves to this purpose? And the TVA’s like, Oh crap, we have Loki in various forms. 

01:02:20:23 – 01:02:25:20

Speaker 1

Let’s take out the trash now. I mean, I have. To admit, it’s an entire possibility. 

01:02:27:13 – 01:02:31:05

Speaker 1

I feel like anything you only say anything is a possibility. You could be like. This one has real. Merit in your head. 

01:02:33:00 – 01:02:34:16

Speaker 2

In my head, I don’t. 

01:02:34:20 – 01:02:35:21

Speaker 1

But here’s the thing I want.

 01:02:35:21 – 01:02:38:02

Speaker 2

Next week we’re going to revisit this and you’re going to see how I. Don’t think they’re going to do that because we literally already just saw Loki die. Tactically, we got him back. 

01:02:43:22 – 01:02:45:24

Speaker 2

I’m not saying he’s going to die right. 

01:02:45:24 – 01:02:54:03

Speaker 1

But I don’t think they’re going to do that. I think he’s just going to get the rest of his Loki to help him get back to either the TVA or to some degree of somewhere. 

01:02:54:03 – 01:02:59:21

Speaker 2

I have a feeling, whether Loki’s are going to die, I think we’re going to grow to be attached to each one of not each of them. Well. 

01:03:00:05 – 01:03:19:24

Speaker 1

I don’t think we are, only because my thoughts are we we do only have two episodes left. He’s not going to spend the next two episodes on planet Loki. And so it has to be the fifth episode here right in this moment, what we see. And then he clearly gets out of there or Sylvie comes get together. That makes more sense to me than anything. 

01:03:19:24 – 01:03:21:00

Speaker 2

She doesn’t know he’s alive. 

01:03:21:02 – 01:03:30:17

Speaker 1

Well, unless you know our weirdo judge, if she does know that they don’t actually, which I would assume she does, that they don’t actually Juggalos. 

01:03:30:23 – 01:03:32:13

Speaker 2

Although I will say she. Seemed really upset when we said yes. To like, Oh my God, I just had my best friend killed. So does she. 

01:03:40:10 – 01:03:42:25

Speaker 1

Know? I was kind of thinking the same thing. 

01:03:42:27 – 01:03:44:01

Speaker 2

But then does that whole thing. About. Mobius didn’t know that he wasn’t going to die. 

01:03:47:24 – 01:03:52:01

Speaker 1

Amy But maybe. I mean, she. I don’t even know. I don’t know. I don’t know. 

01:03:52:11 – 01:03:57:22

Speaker 2

Hold up. Can Mobius. Mobius Sorry. Loki create clones of other people? 

01:03:58:00 – 01:03:59:03

Speaker 1

Now it looks like because I. Was going to say maybe that wasn’t really Mobius. 

01:04:00:17 – 01:04:05:00

Speaker 1

No, I know he now he can clone himself, but I don’t think he has the ability to clone others. 

01:04:05:05 – 01:04:06:19

Speaker 2

I was just curious, you know? 

01:04:06:22 – 01:04:18:16

Speaker 1

But I don’t know. I feel like all at this point I have to stress eat my way to next month’s time. Yeah, because I’m feeling a lot and I don’t like it. I’m not really emotional person, so. 

01:04:19:00 – 01:04:23:12

Speaker 2

I just I don’t know how to put my current feelings into words. 

01:04:23:25 – 01:04:38:27

Speaker 1

Also, it was just an episode. It was a good episode and I’m looking forward to going into the future and seeing what Episode five has because I know Tom Hiddleston has said four and five are his favorite and personally his the best in his opinion. So Tom’s. 

01:04:38:27 – 01:04:40:05

Speaker 2

Never here to spy. 

01:04:40:05 – 01:04:45:23

Speaker 1

Trusts. Tom Hiddleston So I think we’ve touched it. I think we did everything we had to say. Yeah. 

01:04:45:25 – 01:04:51:02

Speaker 2

Now, Sam, to move on to part two of this special two part episode. Black Widow and our predictions. Comes out next week. We are going on Thursday night to avoid any and all spoilers, but also so that we can bring you our extra special first thoughts in a timely manner. 

01:05:04:27 – 01:05:13:26

Speaker 1

Especially because we do still have a Loki episode on Wednesday. So everybody keep that in mind. You got Loki and then you have black Widow, who right afterwards. 

01:05:14:09 – 01:05:19:27

Speaker 2

Worst comes to worst, you can always just pay the 30 bucks and watch them back to back. Well, if you went to watch Loki on. Thursday, which I don’t recommend you doing because spoilers, spoilers are rough and I try my best to avoid them on Twitter. I try avoid every other piece of social media and I can only imagine and Twitter tries to do spoiler alert and stuff and tries not to. I can’t even imagine like I ticked off completely. I don’t even go on it until I watch it. 

01:05:39:27 – 01:05:51:29

Speaker 2

I’ve said Facebook ruined it for me to do that. Look, I don’t know. So we had a little bit of a love connection, which I mean, in the grand scheme of things, it could have been worse. And we all were kind of feeling the tension last anyway. Yeah. 

01:05:52:09 – 01:05:52:20

Speaker 1

Yeah. 

01:05:52:24 – 01:05:54:23

Speaker 2

So, you know, it wasn’t like the world’s biggest. Spoiler, but it was still there. Yeah. Yeah. 

01:05:57:26 – 01:05:59:04

Speaker 2

Okay, cool, cool. Thanks. 

01:05:59:04 – 01:06:18:11

Speaker 1

So I definitely, I recommend the sooner you watch Loki, the better because I want all is in your control. If you haven’t gotten tickets for Black Widow, I’m not sure when you be able to, because I don’t know what that looks like. I’m sure any showings on Thursday are sold out, but you can always stay at home. Yes, if you want. 

01:06:18:23 – 01:06:34:15

Speaker 1

If you want to pay for that, do that. I haven’t seen a movie in forever. When she was supposed to be the next movie I was going to see, and then the world got shut down. So we are going to see it. But make sure you guys are getting tickets if you’re going to go watch it, because it literally comes out next week. 

01:06:34:27 – 01:06:43:17

Speaker 2

Yes. And now we are going to break down our predictions for you and. Then we’ll revisit them. So let’s get started. Kate, why don’t you kick it off?

01:06:43:29 – 01:06:55:06

Speaker 1

Okay. I have to start by saying it this way. I will openly admit I wasn’t super excited about this movie coming out for a little while. I mean, I was pretty excited when it was originally supposed to come out a year ago. 

01:06:55:27 – 01:06:56:16

Speaker 2

More than that. 

01:06:57:00 – 01:07:17:18

Speaker 1

Yeah, I know you’re in a couple months and I wasn’t. Honestly, the hype got lost and I kind of started to get on that bandwagon. People who were saying, you know, I don’t really care. She’s dead. And, you know, okay, I was kind of get and I love Natasha. I always have loved Black Widow as a character as a whole, but I was kind of getting to that point as well. 

01:07:17:18 – 01:07:42:12

Speaker 1

I was like, Yeah, okay. But I will say with watching the trailers, I’m pretty excited. I am. I’m going to say it. I’m pretty excited. I think it’s going to be really interesting because we are exploring a lot more of her background than I think. With that, while as I originally thought we were going to and that was my biggest complaint of why I was a little worried about the movie was because I was like, I just want to see her in the red room. 

01:07:42:12 – 01:07:51:08

Speaker 1

I mean, those of you who know a little bit about the comics and Black Widow’s background and my slight love, the Winter Soldier, you know, he’s involved in that. And so I just was. Like and her entire story. But I just was like, you know, I would have loved to have seen some of this be shown. And I feel like maybe it was the first few trailers didn’t really do that justice. But the newer ones have really shown we’re going to see the Red room. We’re going to see a lot more of her past than I think we were initially led to. 

01:08:11:05 – 01:08:13:17

Speaker 1

And I’m super, super excited. 

01:08:13:18 – 01:08:33:05

Speaker 2

Yeah, I kind of had a similar original thought, except I was immediately in the camp of Why are you giving me a movie that said, what is it, six years before where we currently are about a character that I now know is dead? Like I immediately was like This would have been a cool movie pre Civil War pre. 

01:08:33:05 – 01:08:36:00

Speaker 1

You know, or right after Civil War because isn’t this. 

01:08:36:02 – 01:08:53:12

Speaker 2

Franchise I meant I’m pre war pre Infinity War in between Civil war and Infinity War that would’ve been perfect timing. Yeah but to give it to me after she’s already dead like I’m not going to lie like I got really hung up on that. It really frustrated me. Right. How do you invest in a character where, you know, ultimately they’re not. 

01:08:53:12 – 01:08:56:17

Speaker 2

I mean, they’re going to survive this movie, but later on they are not already.

01:08:56:18 – 01:08:58:04

Speaker 1

No. Out here. Yeah. 

01:08:58:20 – 01:09:21:28

Speaker 2

So that’s frustrating. But I also had the experience of watching the trailers and saying, okay, this looks pretty cool. I’m excited. Like all the cool like set pieces and the scene where she’s like coming flying out of the air and like all that and like the cool martial arts that like, you know, she’s known for it, I think kind of got lost in some of the later. 

01:09:21:28 – 01:09:25:00

Speaker 1

Movie know and I agree with that statement for sure as well. 

01:09:25:00 – 01:09:37:11

Speaker 2

Yeah like I mean if you remember in Iron Man two like I just watch Amen to that like hallway scene where like happy’s like trying really hard to get one guy down and she, like, gets like 40 of them. Like, where was that. 

01:09:37:20 – 01:10:02:00

Speaker 1

Old one later movie? And you know what? This is not time to complain about Black widows or within the MCU. I’m like, I’m going, No, because I need to really quickly. You started it. I got to finish it. I will never be more mad than what Age of Ultron did to her character. But then that the directors of subsequent movies that she was in kept that form of her character going like we she was. 

01:10:02:00 – 01:10:25:16

Speaker 1

Yeah. And, you know, it was really off putting us. She was the only original female avenger. She was the total baddie, you know, like I thought you said Iron Man two What was the other one? Oh, the Winter Soldier. You know, she has this mysterious demeanor to her. The intensity. Yes. And she just loses it. And it never came back. 

01:10:25:19 – 01:10:31:14

Speaker 1

It never did. And I don’t know if they I can’t even tell you if I felt like they tried to bring it back, but it was gone. 

01:10:31:14 – 01:10:49:27

Speaker 2

And I even in civil war, like we see her in hand-to-hand combat, in like the big airport scene, but even then, like she, like shocks to child, like it’s like, yeah, she shocks T’Challa, but it’s like it’s not as strong. It’s like almost got to a weakness to it. 

01:10:50:02 – 01:11:21:20

Speaker 1

Well, right. And I just, I don’t know. I just feel like they explored the wrong parts of her character in, like, for example, Age of Ultron. And, you know, out of all the trauma she goes through, her biggest trauma being that she couldn’t have a child just was weird to me. I just saw like the red room in itself is trauma being an agent since forever, like everything she’s gone through, never having real like people around her to support her, which I think we see we’re going to see more than Black Widow that she did at one point have somewhat something like that. 

01:11:21:29 – 01:11:28:22

Speaker 1

But, you know, you don’t talk about that. It’s is you know, she couldn’t have cared. And I was like, oh, my gosh, really? 

01:11:29:01 – 01:11:47:02

Speaker 2

I think I think if they would have stuck more to like the storyline in the original Avengers, when she’s talking about like, Loki asks her like, well, why did you like, go to the good side? And she’s like, Why? I’ve read in my ledger, like, and he like, does a whole thing where he tries to manipulate her and she, like, turns it around on him, which by the way, was brilliant. 

01:11:47:03 – 01:11:47:17

Speaker 1

Yeah, she. Out manipulated the manipulator, but like, whatever. 

01:11:50:25 – 01:11:53:14

Speaker 1

Which she would never have been able to do and subsequently. No. 

01:11:53:19 – 01:12:20:12

Speaker 2

Yeah, but I would much rather they explore the guilt she feels for the missions she went on then like the fact that she was sterilized, because I think that’s so stereotypical of a like Sarah, it’s a stereotype of a female character that her hang up on her trauma is that she can’t have children. Right? Whereas before, I think they were willing to explore her in more creative ways about how she’s affected others, which is more of a universal humanity and. 

01:12:20:19 – 01:12:43:07

Speaker 1

What that was the guilt that she seemed to have for in other forms where they have talked about the things she did before. And I want to say it was civil war when someone said to her about always being a traitor. That’s what I thought. I thought so. So, you know, stuff like that, like that would have been really interesting. 

01:12:43:10 – 01:13:06:12

Speaker 1

So I hope we see a little more up to that aspect. But if we want to delve right into it, I think it’s going to be beyond interesting to see that they’re still making essentially black widows. Yeah which blows my mind. Now, I know in the comics she her whole age thing is weird. I’m not really I mean, I guess I’m not really sure what are her thing is the MCU either like I don’t know they’re all. 

01:13:06:12 – 01:13:20:15

Speaker 2

Very age ambiguous like they would be in their like early thirties to like mid-forties and you like I mean yeah I mean it’s it’s realistic either way in that like 15 year gap but like there’s a big difference between someone in their early thirties and someone in their mid-forties. 

01:13:20:22 – 01:13:39:08

Speaker 1

Right? So it’s hard. And so I’m not too sure how long, you know, she’s been out of the red room. If it’s two like Scarlett Johansson’s are 40. So you guys sit there. And so if we’re taking her character to that, has she been out of the red room for about, what, 30, 20, 30 years? Or has it been longer? 

01:13:39:08 – 01:13:54:08

Speaker 1

Because, you know, things that they’ve done to her in the red room make her age slower, which would make sense because they did a lot of weird stuff to them in the red room. You know, it’s kind of hard. So we don’t really know where we are. But regardless, we’re at least probably years out from her being in the red room. 

01:13:54:08 – 01:14:09:05

Speaker 1

The fact that they’re still making these black widows and I and I don’t know if I should be calling them that. I don’t know if they technically have other names or she’s Black Widow, but I don’t know. I think that’s going to be really interesting. I also want to know where the heck they if they’ve been pumping them out for the past 20 years. 

01:14:09:06 – 01:14:21:01

Speaker 2

Yeah. I mean she she says in The Avengers like I got on shields radar or was it is one of the early movies where she’s introduced I believe it’s the Avengers she says I got on Shields radar in a bad way. 

01:14:21:02 – 01:14:22:11

Speaker 1

Okay, cool. 

01:14:22:11 – 01:14:24:04

Speaker 2

Well, why didn’t the other. 

01:14:24:05 – 01:14:24:23

Speaker 1

Wheel right.

 01:14:24:23 – 01:14:27:03

Speaker 2

And 50 they’ve pumped out in the past 20 years Not. 

01:14:27:09 – 01:14:47:21

Speaker 1

That lowball it. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I was going to say because I mean, from the image that I’m distinctively picturing from the trailer, they’re in the red room and now I don’t. 1520 Yeah. I was like, I don’t know if that’s Natasha’s memory or forcing the right now the girl they’re training but there’s a good amount in there that’s enough for like an elementary school class. 

01:14:47:29 – 01:14:50:13

Speaker 1

How often do they pump these, these agents. Out and new graduating class every year? Like, I’m imagining it, like supervillain high school, right?

01:14:56:00 – 01:15:04:23

Speaker 1

Like, so. Yeah. So I have to think that that makes me sit here and wonder. I mean, obviously, I think they have to all be very good at their job because they’ve been. 

01:15:04:26 – 01:15:05:22

Speaker 2

For it is good, as. 

01:15:05:22 – 01:15:20:22

Speaker 1

Her know, but they’ve also been avoiding the radar. So I wonder what of missions they’ve been being sent on because the red room and the people who run it. Now, I know Taskmaster is like apparently like the guy kind of in charge of it or that’s what I got from it. 

01:15:20:22 – 01:15:23:02

Speaker 2

Or that was kind of my impression of, Oh yeah. 

01:15:23:17 – 01:15:44:17

Speaker 1

But at least the people who do run it from my own, like they were always Russian. So usually weren’t on the good side of most things. So I have to sit in wonder as well, like, okay, so where did that put you on this? Because Hydra was within Russia, you know, that was their whole thing. So clearly they were likely hooked with Hydra. 

01:15:44:17 – 01:16:12:28

Speaker 1

I mean, they are in the comics. There’s the whole that’s why Bucky is involved, because Winter Soldier is a part of that history. So I get curious to understand where that wraps into what we already know and where these women have been, what missions they’ve been on. Yeah, as simple as that. I that’s probably the thing that really intrigues me the most is wondering, you know, where where all these women get get sent to and what they do because at this point now we have to kind of backtrack. 

01:16:12:28 – 01:16:34:15

Speaker 1

Six years shield and slash hydra has been taken down. So, you know, you have to keep that in mind. Okay. So they can’t be with Hydra. So what are they doing? Who are they working with? What’s their main former Soviet government? Perhaps I don’t know. But you have to sit there and wonder. And I but I think it’s interesting because I didn’t know what Black Widow was originally about. 

01:16:34:15 – 01:16:49:00

Speaker 1

I’m not going to lie. When I watched the first trailer, I did not understand what this movie was bringing to us. And upon watching all of them now and really kind of becoming more familiar with it, they’re essentially going to try and take down the red room. That’s the goal. That’s what I’ve gone to, what. I’ve understood from it as well, just ending the whole system. 

01:16:52:08 – 01:17:01:20

Speaker 1

Yeah, which makes total sense to me. And then I’m in love with the characters already. I think that from what I’ve seen, the four main characters have great chemistry with each other. 

01:17:02:02 – 01:17:05:10

Speaker 2

Can we pause so they have like a family dynamic? 

01:17:05:10 – 01:17:05:23

Speaker 1

Yeah. 

01:17:05:23 – 01:17:11:12

Speaker 2

Which I’ve listen to other like breaking down, like some of the trailers that have come out along the way. 

01:17:11:12 – 01:17:11:23

Speaker 1

Yeah.

01:17:12:07 – 01:17:29:11

Speaker 2

And they talked about their theories being they went undercover as a family and they were forced to come out but like because you’re Lena’s a little younger, like she really bought into the family idea, whereas Natasha was a little more removed. Like, that’s why they kind of have some friction going to be on. That was a super interesting. 

01:17:29:11 – 01:17:37:17

Speaker 1

I don’t even know not to kind of dish on you. I don’t even know if you really needed to hear a theory about that. I got that kind of just just from watching the. Trailer because I watched them at that point where it wasn’t really. Yeah. 

01:17:41:07 – 01:17:57:02

Speaker 1

Because you, like, distinctively see them when they’re young and like with the parental figures and you know, he’s even saying, you know, we’re still a family. And at one point then you see Yelena sit there and even say she’s like, maybe it wasn’t for real for you, but it was for me. 

01:17:57:03 – 01:17:57:12

Speaker 2

Yeah. 

01:17:57:18 – 01:18:19:28

Speaker 1

And I also think it was a really powerful moment where she’s talking to Natasha and she’s even saying, you know, I just tell all my friends that, you know, my sister moved out west and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. She’s got this husband and aunt here and she’s like, telling the story. And I’m like, So there’s deeper repercussions to this because she still tells people that, you know, her sister is out there and doing this, that nothing. 

01:18:19:28 – 01:18:23:21

Speaker 1

And I want to explore what your Lena’s past is at this point. 

01:18:23:24 – 01:18:26:24

Speaker 2

What high Hawkeye is like. 

01:18:27:00 – 01:18:36:13

Speaker 1

But I want to explore past Natasha. And once that if that was a whole mission and stuff, once that ended, what that meant she clearly really internalized. 

01:18:36:13 – 01:18:38:18

Speaker 2

It was very she was very affected by it. 

01:18:38:18 – 01:18:40:20

Speaker 1

Well, yeah. And she continues, like I said. 

01:18:40:29 – 01:18:44:13

Speaker 2

There’s a lot of bitterness toward Natasha for leaving. 

01:18:44:13 – 01:18:48:13

Speaker 1

And she continues to tell even her friends now that she even has a sister. 

01:18:48:13 – 01:18:48:29

Speaker 2

Yeah. You know. 

01:18:49:00 – 01:19:06:08

Speaker 1

She tells a story about her because she doesn’t I mean, if Natasha would have never gone back, would she have ever seen her again? Possibly. Not. Like you sit there and realize that. So I’d love to see what dynamic I mean. They all have their thick Russian accents. Natasha doesn’t. So clearly Natasha left Russia. Yeah. Not long after, I’m sure. 

01:19:06:08 – 01:19:19:02

Speaker 1

Whatever. And we’re going to. I hope that’s a little explained that she is maybe taken out of there, she’s compromised or something happens. She’s the one taken out. But clearly I am stayed in Russia, so. 

01:19:19:02 – 01:19:30:14

Speaker 2

She’s the top of her class. And so she’s given the big missions in the last hours. The rest of them, my with Russia, although I guess I figure David Harbor’s character, he’s supposed to be like the Russian captain. 

01:19:30:14 – 01:19:32:08

Speaker 1

Yeah. Yeah, well, I guess so. 

01:19:32:09 – 01:19:32:22

Speaker 2

Funny. 

01:19:32:22 – 01:19:52:12

Speaker 1

No, he’s. I know. I guess I have to wonder, though, too. I want to say Voltron. When we do see glimpses of the original bedroom, she’s like a teenager, so she’s. Clue. And the red room is in Russia to our as of right now knowledge. So she clearly comes back so and I know I. 

01:19:52:12 – 01:19:54:27

Speaker 2

Don’t think she left as a child though like I think. She had to have left. 

01:19:56:01 – 01:20:00:08

Speaker 2

A really, really good hiding her actually, because she was gone for so well like you. 

01:20:00:08 – 01:20:01:05

Speaker 1

Can you know, what. 

01:20:01:05 – 01:20:02:20

Speaker 2

This sort of thing work on it. 

01:20:02:20 – 01:20:20:02

Speaker 1

This is something I kind of heard about with Wanda. And now I was a little okay, I’m going to say I’m a disappointed person with Wanda’s whole accent variance. Now I’m strange. Now I’m hearing it might be coming back again. But then I heard a rumor that the reason it wasn’t that now, now it was back in Wanda Vision. 

01:20:20:02 – 01:20:48:19

Speaker 1

When she leaves the hex, she speaks without a normal like because I guess that’s her like, perfect world that she you know, because I think that ties her too much to her past. Okay. But she does have it then in Wandavision. So I’m hoping she keeps it. I love it. Anyway, I had heard I think it was during Wandavision that, you know, people have a theory going that Natasha, who is so good at blending and becoming one with the places she’s always gone, helped teach Wanda to speak without. Our accent assimilate. And I’m like, wondering if that’s what Natasha’s learned to do, and almost that she’s learned to do it so much now that she’s spent so much time away from Russia that she just it’s it’s mainly gone. 

01:21:01:27 – 01:21:02:08

Speaker 2

Yeah. 

01:21:02:09 – 01:21:23:22

Speaker 1

Because all of them still have that thick accent. And that leads me to wonder. They kept somewhat in contact somewhat around each other, did they? I don’t know what else. Like maybe more in-depth around each other? I don’t know. We’re definitely off to the move and find that out. But I’m intrigued. Understand why Natasha seemed to be the one that was separated from her little family. 

01:21:23:25 – 01:21:25:07

Speaker 1

Yeah, idea. Yeah. 

01:21:25:10 – 01:21:33:01

Speaker 2

I think the next big thing we have to talk about is Taskmaster, because he’s clearly the antagonist. Yes, I’m pretty freaking. Now. 

01:21:33:14 – 01:22:04:22

Speaker 1

I’m going to be honest. I don’t like to do my research too much going into certain things, especially ones that I’m going to enjoy, like for changing nothing. I’m not going to do that. But for change, for example, I don’t really know much about the story itself, so I definitely am going to need to do more research. But for Black Widow, obviously a huge Black Widow fan, I know a lot more of her background and I know a lot more just in general, but I’ve been trying to avoid doing research on her movie and following the theories because I don’t want to get too much in my head. 

01:22:04:22 – 01:22:20:15

Speaker 1

And then I like because, you know, I know if you open just the right gate, I’m going to be like, oh my gosh, is this person going to show up? And then going to. Yeah, but I will say I stumbled on a theory that I thought was really interesting about Taskmaster possibly being a clone of the Winter Soldier. 

01:22:20:16 – 01:22:30:06

Speaker 1

Oh, I like that. Yeah. And being like, I don’t know. Now, now I don’t know if it’s clone. Clone. As in, like, he looks just like, like Star. Wars. Clone. Star Wars Star. Wars clone for anybody who’s a crossover fan. 

01:22:34:15 – 01:22:57:04

Speaker 1

But like, I don’t know if he looks just like him. And that would be interesting because we never see him without a helmet. So I’m just going to open that can of worms slightly or if he’s just trained and essentially but we we’ve kind of been down that other winter soldier’s kind of path before. So if anything, if that theory is going to hold up, I would think it’s an almost exact clone. 

01:22:57:17 – 01:23:22:12

Speaker 2

Yeah. What’s interesting though, is like, isn’t Taskmaster his whole thing that he can basically look at someone and copy like their movements like we’ve seen in trailers, like he does t’challa’s like cloth thing, which is cool. He springs on some wires. It looks very, very much like Spidey. We see him mimic Natasha in battle. We see him use an arrow, a bow and arrow like Klain. 

01:23:22:12 – 01:23:34:00

Speaker 2

So he clearly like, I don’t know, that’s pretty cool to me to even see characters who are, you know, not there like you get to see. It’ll be fun to watch him fight. It’s like a code almost to all these characters. 

01:23:34:00 – 01:23:34:16

Speaker 1

Yeah. Yeah. 

01:23:34:16 – 01:23:46:10

Speaker 2

It’s fun to watch him, you know, try to pick out like, oh, that move was, you know, not one. Because she’s doesn’t really fight physically. But, like, that move was like Natasha on. That move was clear in that, you know, it’ll be fun, right Steve Obviously. 

01:23:46:19 – 01:24:07:27

Speaker 1

Yeah, I’m excited. Well, we see him with the shield multiple times I mean there and it sounds like Yeah, I mean it’s hard because I don’t really know what I expect to see from him, who I’d expect him to see. Like I’m going to be on his I’ll up my pants and he takes off his freaking helmet and he’s a clone of like buck years of the IP. 

01:24:07:27 – 01:24:08:17

Speaker 1

My pants. 

01:24:08:22 – 01:24:09:23

Speaker 2

Please, Don, I’ll be in the seat. 

01:24:09:24 – 01:24:28:14

Speaker 1

Next to you. I literally I literally would be like, Yeah, with my freakin slushie sitting there like, Oh, my God, this is not have. Like, I’m intrigued because I hope it’s like, it really shocks me. I do. I hope it’s not. I’m going to be honest. I really hope it’s not just like some random person they Cassidy’s taskmaster. 

01:24:28:14 – 01:24:48:05

Speaker 1

I want it to be something like whoa. Because you’ve made so sure to keep his helmet on. Her helmet on their helmet on the entire time. We don’t even have a slight inkling of who this could be, except for rumors, what people think, you know. So I just think that would be absolutely like mind blowing to. 

01:24:48:05 – 01:24:59:01

Speaker 2

Me, especially given the storylines in talking to the Winter Soldier about ending the Super Soldier program in all forms and any recreation. 

01:24:59:01 – 01:25:01:17

Speaker 1

And now they’re trying to end the Black Widow program. 

01:25:01:17 – 01:25:09:14

Speaker 2

And now you might have a clone of quite possibly the well, next to Steve, the most powerful tool of all time. 

01:25:09:14 – 01:25:18:02

Speaker 1

Think now. No, I really didn’t want to fully open this can of worms because I think there’s a lot you could go down with it. But thank you for this him like a clone of him. 

01:25:18:02 – 01:25:21:14

Speaker 2

Well did he really kill Maria and Howard Stark? 

01:25:21:26 – 01:25:41:02

Speaker 1

Oh, yes, I know that. And to be fair, even being a clone of him doesn’t necessarily mean he has the metal arm. He might still be, but my point being, the clone of him wouldn’t have the issues with the brainwashing that Bucky did, and that’s what put him as a liability because we saw it in the Winter Soldier. 

01:25:41:02 – 01:25:53:16

Speaker 1

It took him being out of Cairo long enough for him to start to, you know, him. Yeah, well, things came apart and granted, they also put him after the the one man who from his past he would recognize. So that was a little stupid. 

01:25:53:16 – 01:25:56:00

Speaker 2

Whatever we never said Hydra was smart. 

01:25:56:01 – 01:25:59:03

Speaker 1

Yeah, yeah, right. But, you know, I did. 

01:25:59:03 – 01:26:00:00

Speaker 2

Exist within seal. 

01:26:00:00 – 01:26:02:21

Speaker 1

For. Yeah. Is the same thing. I was like, so they kind of are. 

01:26:03:18 – 01:26:04:14

Speaker 2

They have their moments. 

01:26:04:14 – 01:26:31:06

Speaker 1

But I definitely, you know, that was always the crutch of him was if he he never chose to be their number one soldier and ever since him couldn’t make the best soldier again because they were out of control, they couldn’t control them, but they could control him. So I, I don’t know to what degree like this guy’s mind is anywhere, but think Bucky would have been the perfect person to protect the red room. 

01:26:31:11 – 01:26:57:18

Speaker 1

Yeah. Had he not been so, like, mine vomited within him, you know? Yeah. So you have the perfect soldier with the perfect now mindset. There you. Go. Yeah. So now, now I am not saying it’s going to be Bucky. I just thought that was the one theory I saw, like, forever ago, and it’s just stuck in my head and I’ve put it on the back burner and I was like, Just shut up now. 

01:26:57:21 – 01:27:02:08

Speaker 1

Don’t even make me think that I’m going to see Sebastian Stan pop up in this movie. 

01:27:02:08 – 01:27:15:23

Speaker 2

But I don’t think it’s out of the question, though, in like Red Room flashbacks. Like how do we know he’s not going to be part of the Black Widow process and they’re not hiding from us. Like, it wouldn’t be like nobody said there. A lady SIF cameo in Loki, like this recent example. 

01:27:15:23 – 01:27:16:29

Speaker 1

Well, I’m like Chris. Evans appearing in like the Dark World for point five. Yeah, right. You know, like, it can happen and they’re not going to tell us before.

01:27:23:03 – 01:27:31:17

Speaker 1

You know what he plays a big part in. And now I get it Marvel does not follow a lot of like I mean they obviously follow comic books. 

01:27:32:00 – 01:27:33:12

Speaker 2

They know like page for page Yeah. 

01:27:33:12 – 01:27:42:22

Speaker 1

And they’re not Yeah. And they’re pulling like, oh, this part of this story works well. And then to answer this situation, this part from a completely other story, it works well well. 

01:27:42:23 – 01:27:45:00

Speaker 2

Everything so retcon and connected and yeah. So. 

01:27:45:14 – 01:27:46:06

Speaker 2

But I. Think you know a big factor is you know, the Winter soldier does you play a huge part in in the comics version of Natasha he plays a huge role and you have Clint already playing. They know their friendship is clearly enough for the whole warm your soul stone thing to work. So his connection with her is there. It would just be pretty interesting if we happened to at least see a small little scene where we can get beat, confirm that Bucky was involved in the in Natasha’s background and all that. 

01:28:18:12 – 01:28:20:05

Speaker 1

I think that would be really interesting. 

01:28:20:05 – 01:28:53:13

Speaker 2

Speaking of Clint, I think it will be an interesting dynamic to have two of the people who loved her most in the world working together after she’s dead. So knowing that Yelena is going to be in the Hawkeye Show actually makes me pretty excited. Well, and I know it’s like a hand off show and Kate Bishop’s taking the mantle and like, it’s it’s basically Jeremy Renner is like swan song and like, I get that, but I still am excited for him to interact with Elena because, again, like, these people love Natasha and knew Natasha in a way that really no one else did well. 

01:28:53:13 – 01:29:15:15

Speaker 1

And, you know, I just had to know this was kind of a random thought that came in the middle of you saying that. So I’m sorry stares a little bit off course from that, but I kind of are intrigued understand how this goes on right after civil war. Where do they go from after that? Because we have infinity War and, you know, obviously the end game, we don’t hear anything about them.

01:29:15:15 – 01:29:28:16

Speaker 1

And, you know, did Natasha kind of go but like I guess they had to. They clearly have to mend some sort of a relationship because Yelena is with Hawkeye. So clearly at some point, you know, I mean, at some point. 

01:29:28:16 – 01:29:29:14

Speaker 2

I don’t know what you mean. You’re going. 

01:29:29:23 – 01:29:32:19

Speaker 1

Okay So this is post-Civil. War, Correct. 

01:29:33:13 – 01:29:41:19

Speaker 1

But prior to any Infinity War stuff, Right. So where is her little Russian family during all of this and. 

01:29:41:19 – 01:29:42:14

Speaker 2

All of this being. 

01:29:42:14 – 01:29:46:03

Speaker 1

Like Infinity War and game? Okay. Sorry, I didn’t feel like that was. 

01:29:46:07 – 01:29:49:17

Speaker 2

No, it was very unclear as you were talking about two different movies. So what I’m. 

01:29:49:17 – 01:30:03:03

Speaker 1

Saying that I’m saying time frame was and then I’m just pointing out, you know, where are they during all of this? And then so clearly she has to somewhat keep in contact with them because then why would you end up with Hawkeye of all people?

 01:30:03:08 – 01:30:03:20

Speaker 2

Yeah. 

01:30:03:22 – 01:30:07:22

Speaker 1

So I’m I’m be intrigued by how this let’s explain. 

01:30:07:22 – 01:30:12:13

Speaker 2

Clint is the one to tell them like to give the notice of Natasha’s death after. 

01:30:12:13 – 01:30:13:23

Speaker 1

Yeah. Which I think you. 

01:30:13:23 – 01:30:17:01

Speaker 2

See, because he’s her closest thing to family other than them. 

01:30:17:02 – 01:30:24:04

Speaker 1

Yeah, I think it’s just really hard to look at it because it’s going back to fill in a random hole. 

01:30:24:04 – 01:30:25:26

Speaker 2

That we didn’t even know we really needed. 

01:30:25:26 – 01:30:46:27

Speaker 1

Right? So now you have to. Now it’s kind of like, okay, well, what else this random hole now going to need to explain where where were her little superfamily? The what, seven, five, seven years with Infinity War and Endgame where they snapped. They’re not. What’s going on? Was she in contact with them? Why didn’t they come in the Battle of an Infinity War? Why didn’t she invite them? But they weren’t Mukunda So they were on that side of the sea. Like. 

01:30:52:19 – 01:31:16:14

Speaker 2

I guess you’re like, I feel like Natasha is the type of person to keep her past and her present, right? So like, she always called The Avengers. Her family. Well, the vendors are her current family, but she’s not going to necessarily integrate them with your past family, especially because these people knew her probably some of the worst times in her life and when she was probably the worst version of herself. 

01:31:16:15 – 01:31:25:12

Speaker 2

Yeah. So the last thing she’s going to want to do is present these people who only know her as the best version or even, you know, improving version of herself with the people who. 

01:31:25:18 – 01:31:40:08

Speaker 1

That’s very true. That’s very true. But you also just brought up a really good point to also talk about. So Natasha’s obviously a turncoat. She turns to the good side after she’s captured by Shield. So what was Yelena and the rest of the families moment? Mm, Yeah. 

01:31:40:20 – 01:31:42:04

Speaker 2

Maybe because we’re going. 

01:31:42:08 – 01:31:51:29

Speaker 1

Yeah, because we’re. They’re all now fighting against taskmaster and trying to end the red room. So what was that moment where they all sat there and clearly they made a choice. 

01:31:51:29 – 01:31:59:28

Speaker 2

To go against what they had been fighting for. Yeah. Any clue? Like, I wonder if Weiss is Rachel Weiss. Right? Who’s the mom? 

01:31:59:28 – 01:32:01:09

Speaker 1

The mom, I believe. 

01:32:01:09 – 01:32:07:10

Speaker 2

But I wonder. I mean, character. Like, it would be interesting to me if she was like a prior generation of her red room. 

01:32:07:26 – 01:32:10:02

Speaker 1

Why? I’m assuming I assumed she was. 

01:32:10:02 – 01:32:26:19

Speaker 2

Yeah, I mean, me too. But I think it’s that’s interesting then, because it’s cool to see them. Like the Elena’s is clearly a little younger than Natasha, like maybe five or ten years. So it’s like you’ve got a woman who’s like probably 15 years older than the top ten, 15 years older than Natasha. Then you are attached and then you have another five or ten years younger than her. 

01:32:26:19 – 01:32:32:21

Speaker 2

So it’s like almost the evolution of the Widow program. So it would be cool to see if like what the changes are between. 

01:32:32:24 – 01:32:52:09

Speaker 1

I just want to understand how this, how that portion of the family they did for the past few years because Natasha clearly wasn’t with them and I don’t know if they were with each other to my point earlier, but they seem very close like they they were. I mean, Natasha knew exactly where to go back to. So I think that’d be really intriguing to me. 

01:32:52:20 – 01:33:10:06

Speaker 2

What is their moment? They’re like separate. Her moment was like after that family mission and Natasha didn’t separate. Like, what if she continued to be a widow and, like, do what she needed to do? And this like, pre shield capture. And they were like, No, we’re good now. 

01:33:10:07 – 01:33:30:10

Speaker 1

I mean, I do I definitely think it might be possible for the to prevent it. Well, you know what here’s here’s an answer to that. I think it’s possible for the two parental figures because they were old enough to two they got that and they were like, this is not right. I think that was their moment. But I think they likely took both of the girls back because they’re still young. 

01:33:30:11 – 01:33:45:22

Speaker 1

And I don’t think it was Natasha’s choice. I think in general they took both of the girls back because they were young enough. They’re impressionable enough still, and they continued their training. And I think the parents went back to get them. And I bet you Natasha wasn’t there when they went back that she maybe was on a mission or she was, but she wasn’t there. 

01:33:45:22 – 01:34:00:17

Speaker 1

Yeah. And they went back and they got Yelena or they they intercepted plane on a mission and they got her and they took her out of it because they still they do have like those suits they’re wearing I’m assuming have to do with that. They’re all wearing. 

01:34:00:17 – 01:34:04:05

Speaker 2

Off. Yeah. I mean Yelena and the mother figure, I don’t know. 

01:34:04:06 – 01:34:07:11

Speaker 1

Well, Natasha was at one point I don’t remember if they said I don’t remember. 

01:34:07:11 – 01:34:08:05

Speaker 2

They’re like widow. 

01:34:08:05 – 01:34:23:21

Speaker 1

Suits. Well, Natasha wears it at one point too, because she wears it when she’s, like flying through the air in the big plane. Yeah. So I have to assume those are. And if you know, Yelena is wearing it as a grown woman at this point, she clearly was still in the program long enough. Yeah. 

01:34:23:26 – 01:34:28:02

Speaker 2

So or like some of us, she hasn’t grown since she was 13. Well. 

01:34:28:26 – 01:34:42:13

Speaker 1

All I think people or another story just being they stayed in it, but they were not happy with what they were doing and they waited until they were older and maybe they could only get yelling out of it. Yeah, you know, or maybe Natasha chose not at that point. 

01:34:42:13 – 01:35:00:28

Speaker 2

Chose not just what I was thinking. Like she had once. She’s older, the moment in the sun where she was like, Oh, this is wrong. Where she’d been captured by shield and like, shown the error of her ways. Like I am under the impression that until shield got her, she was 100%. Yeah, she was. You know, she was drinking the Kool-Aid willingly. 

01:35:00:28 – 01:35:19:09

Speaker 1

Well, that’s why I wonder if it had to do with, like, you know, both parental figure still worked for the program, but they were not, you know, they were against it and they worked to get out of it. But it was they just couldn’t get Natasha at that point because she was committed and she wanted to be there. 

01:35:19:20 – 01:35:27:26

Speaker 1

That would also partially explain some of the like like more of the animals that Elena would have towards her because I. Chose not to return to the farm. 

01:35:29:12 – 01:35:40:08

Speaker 1

I think it’s. Yeah, exactly. I think there’s more to it than just she went off and got captured by shield and never came back. Like there’s more to it than that for from the way that she acts about it. 

01:35:40:08 – 01:35:42:19

Speaker 2

Yeah. I mean she’s clearly, I mean they literally. Throw each other around the house and walls when they first see each other. So I says yeah. So clearly she’s not thrilled with whatever decision that Natasha made. 

01:35:55:07 – 01:35:59:13

Speaker 2

Yeah. So and it was an active decision on Natasha’s part, which is why she blames. 

01:35:59:16 – 01:36:13:17

Speaker 1

And you know, it continuously is run in the trailers the I’m done running my past and I think it was more than just do dealing with the red room that she’s talking about she’s running from the people that she essentially betrayed. 

01:36:13:17 – 01:36:13:29

Speaker 2

Yeah. 

01:36:13:29 – 01:36:17:17

Speaker 1

So I think facing that and then going bad. 

01:36:17:17 – 01:36:21:13

Speaker 2

If she sold them out, that would explain Elena’s animosity. 

01:36:21:13 – 01:36:22:12

Speaker 1

But it’s possible. 

01:36:22:13 – 01:36:23:29

Speaker 2

And that’s why they’re no longer part of the. Program, because I will say Black Widow is supposed to essentially she’s not supposed to be like a hated character at all, but she’s supposed to She. Was ambiguous and. She was the best at what she. Did. 

01:36:35:11 – 01:36:54:12

Speaker 1

Yeah, she always was. So, yeah, I mean, we love her and shield, but you got to think. Look at how she. Well, I especially be saying in the comics, especially because she’s a little different in the MCU, but look at how she is. I mean, as a kid. Yeah. As a teenager who just wants to impress, just wants to be the best. 

01:36:54:15 – 01:36:55:10

Speaker 1

Of course. 

01:36:55:12 – 01:37:00:19

Speaker 2

The same way that Gomorrah impressed in us. And what for exactly? What’s her face? Got her entire body replaced. 

01:37:00:20 – 01:37:16:29

Speaker 1

And you know what? I’m sorry, but Standing in a room with a bunch of men and sitting there and saying, I can take all of you down no matter what your power is, is one thing. Standing in a room with 20 other women, you’re going to do the same thing. Can is hard. That’s a hard pill to swallow no matter who you are.

 01:37:17:12 – 01:37:21:05

Speaker 1

It’s that nothing about you is different than that. Yeah. So? 

01:37:21:07 – 01:37:26:28

Speaker 2

So you have to be the best. Yeah. Yeah. You have to find a way to differentiate yourself. Work harder, be better. 

01:37:27:02 – 01:37:34:17

Speaker 1

Exactly. Exactly. So, all in all, I don’t think there’s a lot you can really look at in the trailers and be like, Oh, this is going to happen and this is going to happen. 

01:37:34:21 – 01:37:35:08

Speaker 2

Yeah, I. Couldn’t tell you what’s going to. 

01:37:37:01 – 01:37:56:00

Speaker 2

Happen. Now, I have been hearing like early reviews and I haven’t like really been into them, but like just a little bit that Marvel’s been showing, you know, or whoever it is online has said that, you know, people really like the movie. It’s a really good just like straight up spy movie. So it’ll be cool too, especially when you’re thinking about it. 

01:37:56:00 – 01:38:01:03

Speaker 2

Like juxtaposition with like how freaking wacky Loki is. Like, here. It’s just a boots on the ground. Like normal espionage. Movie, and it’s like such a white trash flick in the best. 

01:38:06:17 – 01:38:20:02

Speaker 1

Way. Not right. And that’s kind of why I know there are people who like they kind of poop on the Falcon and the Winter Soldier because Wandavision Loki was, I think, so similar. Not like I shouldn’t say that, but they have that magic entity to them, like.

 01:38:20:08 – 01:38:21:05

Speaker 2

And they’re beyond. 

01:38:21:16 – 01:38:44:28

Speaker 1

And you’re sitting there thinking completely about, Oh dear God, now this is going to happen. Then the next episode happens to be like, This is not what I expected at all. And some people are like, Oh like, you know, and then there’s the Falcon and the Winter Soldier. And, you know, I don’t agree with that. And not just because I love the Winter Soldier, but because, you know, Marvel was raised off the ground with the whole, you know, fight scenes and, you know, the non magic and. All of these out there. But yeah, it’s plausible. 

01:38:46:25 – 01:39:15:04

Speaker 1

And I’m totally one with the magic. I’m totally cool with it. But I think I really liked the order. It ended up coming out even more because you had wandavision not played with your mind. That was just whoa and then you had the Falcon and the Winter Soldier, which I think did so much. Yeah. And it did so much more in its own way by furthering to other characters and, you know, and, and brought you back down to this is what we’re known for, you know, the Captain America on the Iron Man. 

01:39:15:04 – 01:39:22:26

Speaker 1

And I’ll think about this none of our original Avengers were any kind of superpower except maybe Thor. But Thor, all he did was really, you know, but he. Also was from another planet. So we like he’s a guy. Yeah. So. But minus Thor, everybody else was pretty science based, or. 

01:39:31:10 – 01:39:47:19

Speaker 1

At least like they were the boots on the ground. Yeah, well, and Iron Man flew by like boots on the ground kind of thing. So, you know, I. I saw thought it really brought it back, you know? And then now we’re with Loki, so I’m prepared to have another little fresh, you know, full reset. Okay, here we are. 

01:39:47:19 – 01:39:54:19

Speaker 1

We’re going to see some punches and kicks being thrown. And we see that. And honestly, we do see that in Loki, which actually kind of surprised me because he. Is way more physical investment. He had been in a lot other. 

01:39:57:27 – 01:39:59:28

Speaker 1

He never to be in the and. 

01:39:59:29 – 01:40:02:14

Speaker 2

It’s not true he like goes head to head with Thor in Avengers. 

01:40:02:14 – 01:40:05:25

Speaker 1

Yeah but in the TVA he doesn’t have any match to hide behind. Right. 

01:40:05:28 – 01:40:11:12

Speaker 2

So like in I don’t know like he’s definitely been physical before and we’ve seen it like we saw him fighting on your own high. 

01:40:11:13 – 01:40:13:29

Speaker 1

Yeah. But it’s just not in Ragnarok. 

01:40:13:29 – 01:40:23:09

Speaker 2

In the the dark world, was it. What is the planet in the dark world on their gross planet where the dark elves live. He fights them as well when he’s protecting. 

01:40:23:22 – 01:40:25:29

Speaker 1

But I mean, even in Ragnarok, we see him. 

01:40:26:01 – 01:40:28:07

Speaker 2

Yeah. So. But this is like next level. 

01:40:28:07 – 01:40:31:14

Speaker 1

Well, this is not even just with his daggers, Like he’s throwing punches. 

01:40:31:14 – 01:40:33:10

Speaker 2

Yeah. So physical, hand-to-hand. 

01:40:33:10 – 01:40:45:27

Speaker 1

I would, I didn’t expect at all. But I’m, I’m prepared to just kind of had that little lull again because I know they said that phase three or phase four, sorry was going to be very mystical, had a lot more space aspect to it. 

01:40:45:28 – 01:40:58:03

Speaker 2

Coming down the pike. I mean, Shang-Chi is clearly mystical. The Eternals are not of this world. Even Peter, who is arguably one of the most grounded in this phase, is getting a magical. 

01:40:58:06 – 01:40:59:08

Speaker 1

Well because of the multiverse. 

01:40:59:08 – 01:40:59:27

Speaker 2

Exactly.

 01:40:59:27 – 01:41:14:03

Speaker 1

Well, exactly. So that’s why I’m kind of I’m happy that we’re going to get that slight relief before we’re going to get slammed with a lot of my benders. Yeah, yeah. Especially with the multiverse. I I’m so looking forward to it. Not prepared for it. Yeah. 

01:41:14:05 – 01:41:24:12

Speaker 2

I like how Marvel though, has always done a really good job of both. Look, I think even like I know when they brought in Guardians, like that was a far departure from, like, anything they’d ever done. But we. Still had that fighting aspect, which was like, All right. 

01:41:27:08 – 01:41:30:16

Speaker 2

But you also, like you had that they were super space and like. 

01:41:30:18 – 01:41:30:24

Speaker 1

Yeah. 

01:41:30:29 – 01:41:39:15

Speaker 2

We’re like, not from here and like very anti boots on the ground, but at the same time, like three months later they popped our boots on the ground movie that felt like completely. Normal. 

01:41:40:07 – 01:41:43:08

Speaker 2

Yeah. What was it. I think at that time it was I couldn’t tell you. 

01:41:43:12 – 01:41:44:05

Speaker 1

I don’t remember. 

01:41:44:05 – 01:41:53:19

Speaker 2

How ugly I’m going through my head. It’s the Winter Soldier was coming out within a couple of months, I think, because I’m not 14. Did they really? Because I’m going through and watching them all. 

01:41:53:19 – 01:42:01:14

Speaker 1

And honestly, for me, I. I really only remember seeing the second Guardians. I don’t even remember seeing. And I know I went to see it. I don’t remember. 

01:42:01:14 – 01:42:05:00

Speaker 2

It. Yeah. So, I mean, you had those movies and they both were great. Movies and very different. 

01:42:07:07 – 01:42:10:22

Speaker 2

Able to do both so successfully. It’s like it just makes me happy. 

01:42:10:23 – 01:42:17:20

Speaker 1

No, for sure. So I mean, reviews seem great. I’m excited to go see it in a week. Yeah, I’m excited. To be honest. 

01:42:18:22 – 01:42:19:10

Speaker 1

I just got. 

01:42:19:11 – 01:42:20:06

Speaker 2

Experience. Like, I don’t. Know about you guys, but I’m not. 

01:42:21:03 – 01:42:21:14

Speaker 2

Because.

 01:42:21:24 – 01:42:27:15

Speaker 1

I have either, So I’m ready. I’m getting the popcorn. I’m getting my. My coke slushy. At a dinner beforehand. 

01:42:29:13 – 01:42:33:08

Speaker 1

We’re ready. Yeah, we got my red robin fries. 

01:42:35:05 – 01:42:36:12

Speaker 2

Nice huge burger. 

01:42:36:16 – 01:42:43:28

Speaker 1

That so, you know, I’m excited and I honestly, I’m hoping to finally be able to say she was worth this very long. Wait. 

01:42:43:29 – 01:42:51:05

Speaker 2

Yeah, it all just honestly, having a movie like the shows have been amazing to fill in the gap. But I just need, like, a cinematic experience. 

01:42:51:05 – 01:43:00:03

Speaker 1

You know what? The last time we saw a movie. Well, like a marvel movie was Spider-Man, where they were like, And Spider-Man is Peter Parker. And that was it. 

01:43:00:22 – 01:43:02:23

Speaker 2

Was like a movie in two years. Yeah.

 01:43:02:24 – 01:43:18:23

Speaker 1

And then everyone, like, walked out of theaters, Everyone, literally. I remember the one. That guy. All you just hear him goes, What the. And it seemed like same. But you know what? You know what? I know we have end credits scenes in the shows, but I’m so excited to see the end credits scenes. 

01:43:18:23 – 01:43:21:10

Speaker 2

Yeah, the cinematic ones are so much bigger than the show. 

01:43:21:12 – 01:43:26:15

Speaker 1

Because they hint at something further. Yeah. You know, this shows I think the hardest thing with the shows. 

01:43:26:15 – 01:43:28:15

Speaker 2

Is they’re so tied into the show. 

01:43:28:15 – 01:43:29:00

Speaker 1

Like, yeah. 

01:43:29:02 – 01:43:38:21

Speaker 2

Like the entrances of the movies could be like, not even related to that particular franchise. And so it could be like totally random, like at the end of event or one of. 

01:43:38:21 – 01:43:50:10

Speaker 1

Them at the end was Bucky Cap and Sam after during like Civil War. Yeah And I don’t remember what movie it was, but it was a completely random movie and it’s just them at the end and you’re like, Oh yeah. 

01:43:50:11 – 01:44:01:27

Speaker 2

Like they’re just totally random and that’s great. Like, you completely like you. There’s usually one tied to that particular movie or franchise that furthers the plot, and then there’s usually one that’s completely unrelated, and it. Takes a completely different. Direction. And so now that we’re not able to do that with the shows, which is fine though on a smaller scale, I get it. I’m excited to get some details, a little bit more like information on something that’s going on, like in the larger. Yeah. 

01:44:16:09 – 01:44:24:17

Speaker 1

And I will say I’m I hope I because I’m very excited for you. I hope it’s not about change though, only because we have trailers ready for it. 

01:44:25:01 – 01:44:26:03

Speaker 2

Oh, the end credits scene. 

01:44:26:03 – 01:44:29:09

Speaker 1

Yeah, I do hope it’s about like Spider-Man. 

01:44:29:09 – 01:44:31:10

Speaker 2

I could see it being the Eternals or. 

01:44:31:10 – 01:44:31:26

Speaker 1

Yeah, like. 

01:44:31:26 – 01:44:42:29

Speaker 2

Their entry and like, Oh, I could see you being like, why they decide to come to Earth and Cage or like, whatever. Like what wakes them up? Where have they been? Like maybe a little hint at that. Yeah, I could see that. Like, like.

 01:44:43:01 – 01:45:01:23

Speaker 1

What was the big moment. Oh, an Infinity War with Captain Marvel. Like, that was huge. Yeah, that was huge. And so I am. Or like at the end of. Here’s a good one at the end of Avengers. Fine, I’ll do it myself. It was just iconic line wherever it was, either Avengers, Age of Ultron, but. Avengers. 

01:45:02:20 – 01:45:03:14

Speaker 1

That’s what I thought it was. 

01:45:03:14 – 01:45:04:15

Speaker 2

It was after Loki failed. 

01:45:04:15 – 01:45:14:07

Speaker 1

Yeah, that’s what I thought. And he goes, Fine, I’ll do it myself. And all of us is in here is like, Who is this purple grape? Who is this man at the time? Oh, my God. 

01:45:14:08 – 01:45:16:11

Speaker 2

Coloration of this, The purple skin was really. 

01:45:16:12 – 01:45:24:03

Speaker 1

No, it really was. But it was like, I hate to tell you, but I don’t know who this man is. And then the next thing you know, it’s like ten years later or. 

01:45:24:03 – 01:45:26:29

Speaker 2

Like, what is the one where they show the twins for the first.

 01:45:26:29 – 01:45:29:04

Speaker 1

Time? Oh, that’s Winter Soldier. 

01:45:29:05 – 01:45:29:16

Speaker 2

Yeah. 

01:45:29:26 – 01:45:46:27

Speaker 1

Yeah, it is. Because I watched that one very often. And that’s that’s like my little, you know, frosting on top of everything is like, there. There’s my little Wanda, and I’m so excited. My throw. And I’m like, Oh, my goodness. So yeah, that’s always my favorite. Like ending. So important. Yeah, for sure. 

01:45:46:27 – 01:45:48:14

Speaker 2

And not at all related to the franchise. 

01:45:48:14 – 01:46:02:15

Speaker 1

No, it was no, it brings in something different. So yeah, I might I will say as excited as I am to watch the actual film, I’m very excited to see the end of it. Yeah. So. Yeah. But yeah, I. Think okay we got to give predictions right now. What are your thoughts and credit? Make credit and credit go. 

01:46:08:09 – 01:46:11:00

Speaker 1

Oh my gosh, both of them Yeah. Can we both go? 

01:46:11:01 – 01:46:11:19

Speaker 2

I have mine. 

01:46:12:08 – 01:46:16:19

Speaker 1

Okay. I have preferences. I don’t have what I know would be okay. I have. 

01:46:16:20 – 01:46:17:24

Speaker 2

Actual prediction. So, you. Know. 

01:46:18:08 – 01:46:19:28

Speaker 2

I have friends. I’ll give you my predict. 

01:46:20:00 – 01:46:28:08

Speaker 1

I will say one, I want something that deals with the multiverse. Okay? I want something that is like I think it’s happening. 

01:46:28:08 – 01:46:30:21

Speaker 2

He’s going to open it next week and then they’re going to confirm it. 

01:46:30:21 – 01:46:32:05

Speaker 1

That would be that would be interesting. 

01:46:32:05 – 01:46:34:17

Speaker 2

I mean, that’s not my prediction. But based off yours. 

01:46:34:17 – 01:46:38:12

Speaker 1

My other one would probably, I would assume, has to do with the Alina and Hawkeye.

 01:46:38:18 – 01:46:43:09

Speaker 2

Okay. I’m vibing with you on that one. My middle credit prediction.

 01:46:43:09 – 01:46:46:02

Speaker 1

Oh, I don’t know if that’s not in order. I don’t know what order.

 01:46:46:02 – 01:46:58:06

Speaker 2

But I have them in order because they usually like middle credit is like related to that movie and credits like something completely unrelated. So my mid-credits prediction is that it’s Hawkeye telling the family that Natasha is dead. 

01:46:58:06 – 01:47:01:15

Speaker 1

Well, that’s what I have. Not even necessarily that, but just has to do with. 

01:47:01:17 – 01:47:12:00

Speaker 2

That’s what I think. Yeah. How else do you wrap like this is her last time on screen. How better to wrap up the character than to give her death notification? Yeah. Like, hey, I’m really sorry, but you just enjoy this two hour movie. Well, this character. Between. Three forgot she’s dead. So that’s why I think the mid-credits scene is. Then I think my prediction for end credit is that introduction to the eternal. Eternal. Yeah. Because I think we haven’t seen a lot of them. 

01:47:23:25 – 01:47:24:12

Speaker 1

Yeah. Yeah. 

01:47:24:14 – 01:47:27:08

Speaker 2

And to just cold open somebody.

 01:47:27:08 – 01:47:38:10

Speaker 1

Is Well time. You know what I will agree with that only if because people are calling for the No way home trailer they’re angry it’s not been out they told us. Six weeks ago. 

01:47:39:15 – 01:47:56:19

Speaker 1

Exactly. People are saying a lot of people are saying we wonder with all the content coming out next week if they’re going to drop the bomb on. US. Oh, my God, I can do that, too. Yeah. And that’s why. So I would agree with the internals. If they don’t drop the bomb of the No Way Home trailer, if. 

01:47:56:27 – 01:48:01:10

Speaker 2

Do you do you think I could see them doing this the No Way Home trailer being. 

01:48:01:10 – 01:48:06:12

Speaker 1

In before the movie? Yeah. Now I’ve heard rumors that I was going that it was possible as well because here’s why. 

01:48:06:12 – 01:48:27:24

Speaker 2

They want people to go to the theaters they don’t want you to do. I mean yeah, they want you to do premier access, but they I think that’s second fiddle to doing to going to the movie, right. So I think this will be like this. Those people like us, we’re going to go Thursday night. We’re immediately going to tell people, Oh my God, the Spider-Man came out before Black Widow. 

01:48:27:24 – 01:48:31:26

Speaker 2

And then more people are going to like, Why am I doing Premiere Access? I’m not going to get the trailer and go to the movies. 

01:48:31:26 – 01:48:46:15

Speaker 1

Yeah, but I feel like that’s a hard thing to do because I think that runs the risk of dropping it. You normally when they drop it, they drop it all at once and you know, they’re they’re not going to want fans coming out saying here is in the far from home or no way. Oh, I hate that they did that. 

01:48:46:22 – 01:49:08:19

Speaker 1

So here’s from the No Way Home trailer and you know their blob in their mouth and out and you know, you’re going have the people who are still going to record things even though they’re not supposed to. And, you know, you’re going to have all of that. So I my only concern with that is I think that would be the unless unless they did it before the showings on Thursday night and dropped it officially on midnight Friday, I could see them doing that. 

01:49:08:19 – 01:49:14:01

Speaker 2

You’ll see them doing because they always drop it on GMA. I can see them doing it Thursday night and then dropping in.

01:49:14:22 – 01:49:24:01

Speaker 1

For the shopping like that. Yeah. So you have the people, the select couple of people who got to see the IT on theaters Thursday night and they’ll talk about. 

01:49:24:07 – 01:49:27:09

Speaker 2

Real and buy you go get their tickets early. 

01:49:27:09 – 01:49:39:17

Speaker 1

But you know everyone’s going to be so geared up to seeing black widow like on Friday that if they drop it in full Friday morning because think about it, people are already going to be avoiding social media. 

01:49:39:18 – 01:49:47:12

Speaker 2

Yeah, that’s true. It’s actually the best time. Yeah. To drop a trailer because everybody who’s they’re trying to avoid spoilers is already on hand. Yeah. 

01:49:47:21 – 01:49:59:21

Speaker 1

Yeah. So and especially with Loki keeping up with some people don’t get to watch it right away. So I I’m intrigued but that’s what I think and I’m going to leave it all at that and we’ll leave it all on the table. Yeah, we. 

01:49:59:21 – 01:50:04:04

Speaker 2

Will come back to you and give ourselves a little bit of a grade on how we did. 

01:50:04:04 – 01:50:08:04

Speaker 1

I’m sure it’s probably not great considering we don’t normally do well with our prediction. 

01:50:08:05 – 01:50:12:23

Speaker 2

We feel good about my my credits, my end credits predictions. I think I’m I. 

01:50:12:23 – 01:50:19:02

Speaker 1

Think definitely of them. You’ll see it with Hawk. I think that’s the only way to fully explain why Yelena just pops up in Hawkeye. 

01:50:19:12 – 01:50:28:03

Speaker 2

I also just think what better way to bring Natasha full circle like this full movie about her as a character? And then here’s the announcement of her death. 

01:50:28:06 – 01:50:32:02

Speaker 1

Yeah, Yeah, but, you know, that’s all I got, so.

 01:50:32:05 – 01:50:35:12

Speaker 2

Yeah, so going to be back next week with. 

01:50:35:12 – 01:50:36:17

Speaker 1

Another double header? Yeah. 

01:50:36:25 – 01:50:54:19

Speaker 2

Another long one. So again, prepare your eardrums. But we will be talking about Loki episode five, the penultimate episode, and also our prediction. Urn, sorry not our predictions are reactions for Black Widow where we’ll talk about how exactly we did on our predictions. 

01:50:54:26 – 01:50:57:27

Speaker 1

And just our general thoughts of how we felt the movie was. 

01:50:57:27 – 01:51:22:23

Speaker 2

And kind of what the movie Spartan, where we might be going, what it introduce, what end credits and mid-credits scenes were. So look forward to that. In the meantime, just so that you get the notifications about when all of this is happening, please subscribe to our podcast. Tell your friends, tell your family, and also please follow the blog because we will have extra content on there that we will probably talk about the week after. 

01:51:22:23 – 01:51:24:25

Speaker 2

But you get a little early if you follow the blog. 

01:51:24:27 – 01:51:44:26

Speaker 1

Yeah, and the blog also tries to keep up with some of the things we don’t get right, since we don’t always have the time in the podcast to address everything things we miss or things that are just blatantly incorrect, and especially with things such as Black Widow, the predictions. You know, there’s a lot that we could have said that was completely so keep an eye out on that. 

01:51:45:04 – 01:52:05:13

Speaker 1

Also, make sure you’re following the Twitter. It’s let’s talk MFT. And I’m very active on it. I love to talk to all of you guys. And, you know, next week, so much is happening. So I’m expecting Marvel Twitter to blow up next week and join us all in that adventure. So make sure you follow us and also be keeping up with all of the content we got. Loki We’ve got Black Widow, we possibly have a Spider-Man trailer, so keep up with all of that so you don’t get behind because Marvel just blew your mind. So let’s talk about it.