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Taylor: Hello, Hello and welcome to another episode of the Let’s Talk Marvel fan Theories Podcast. Today we will be discussing Loki episode five. But before we do, we have our usual spoiler warning. 

Katie: As always, guys, if you haven’t watched the episode, please turn us off for the time being. Go watch it and then turn us back on. We don’t want anyone to have anything spoiled for them and we don’t want to be responsible for the ones who spoil it. So make sure you watch the episode before you absolutely anything else and then come back and listen to the podcast. 

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Speaker 1

All right. Episode five Katie, what? What did you think? 

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Speaker 2

Okay, I loved it. There was enough happening for me. There was a lot of action. I thought it was cool to see a lot of the different Loki’s. It definitely felt. Like a lead up episode, which obviously, but it didn’t have that slowness that I think we saw in the Falcon and the Winter Soldier. For example, that episode was a little slow. Episode five Yeah, yeah, yeah. To prepare for it for, for episode six, which I think was great in the end, but definitely this one was where it needed to be. 

00:01:15:13 – 00:01:20:27

Speaker 2

And I was here for it and I didn’t want it to end and I knew it would end exactly where it was going to end. And then it did. 

00:01:21:27 – 00:01:33:22

Speaker 1

Yeah, I got in obnoxious amount of joy from the different Loki variants like, but I will say like they trolled us so hard with President Loki, like. He deserved more screen time and.

 00:01:36:10 – 00:01:58:03

Speaker 1

So many of the promotional like trailers and images. And I was like our variant Loki, like the one we’ve been following this whole time. He’s going to be president. Loki Like I straight up told you guys that a few like last episode and here is some other variant who’s on for like 2 minutes and then gets his hand bitten off by scene Stealer, alligator, Loki. 

00:01:58:04 – 00:02:04:20

Speaker 2

Well, wait, you know, wait. Let’s just kind of rewind. Let’s just talk about the fact that it was not New York. 

00:02:05:00 – 00:02:06:15

Speaker 1

Yeah, it was a lot. It was. 

00:02:06:25 – 00:02:17:22

Speaker 2

I right. We were literally wrong about since day one. Yeah. That we sat there. Like what? And New York, we had so many theories running for it, and it wasn’t New York at all. 

00:02:17:24 – 00:02:18:13

Speaker 1

Yeah. 

00:02:18:25 – 00:02:23:08

Speaker 2

So I will say not great on us, but I would like to. Point out that my timeline wastebasket theory was pretty spot on to what was actually happening. 

00:02:29:24 – 00:02:46:20

Speaker 2

Yeah, I mean, I think I think it was definitely accurate and I definitely I’m not surprised because I think we were also talking about the idea that, you know, there might be multiples and now I think we were able to get that answer that there isn’t. There’s just one essentially. I mean. Cosmic.

 00:02:47:08 – 00:02:58:04

Speaker 2

There just happens to be a lot of Loki’s because as the Loki themselves even point out, they survive and there also tends to be a lot of Loki’s alive to also point out and survive about. 

00:02:58:04 – 00:03:07:23

Speaker 1

The thing that had us freaking when kid Loki Oh my God revealed his Nexus moment, which was killing Thor. 

00:03:07:29 – 00:03:09:16

Speaker 2

Yeah, I was so shook to my core for like, honestly. 

00:03:12:13 – 00:03:15:12

Speaker 2

I was, that was a lot that came out of nowhere. 

00:03:15:12 – 00:03:18:05

Speaker 1

And he just like, he was like, I killed Thor. And then they moved on and I was like. No, I’m not done processing this yet. Like, that was all like, I genuinely believe starting in Thor one all the way up through Infinity War, which includes up to a point this particular Loki, I could not see that Loki killing his brother like, yes, in Thor one he hates him and he’s angry. But I still don’t. I think he hates Odin. 

00:03:45:19 – 00:03:46:04

Speaker 1

Well, that’s. What I was going to say. I think a lot of that comes down to the way that Odin parented them because, you know, Thor, the only difference with Thor is that Thor loved his brother no matter what. Yeah, you know, so was never, to him a competition. It was never anything. Yeah, he was very into himself in the first Thor and who he was going to be, but he loved his brother. 

00:04:09:04 – 00:04:27:01

Speaker 2

And so I think it’s I think it was always hard for Loki to fully blame Thor a lot more, because Thor didn’t even know that Loki had these feelings, like he didn’t understand. And I mean, with Loki becoming or finding out that he was a frost, I mean, that just that was. 

00:04:27:03 – 00:04:31:27

Speaker 1

But again, that’s not something that. Thor. No, like, that’s something that Odin hid from him. Isn’t that. 

00:04:31:27 – 00:04:34:06

Speaker 2

That’s what I mean. That’s another thing against Odin. 

00:04:34:06 – 00:04:35:09

Speaker 1

And so I definitely think. That that was really shocking. So I kind of wonder what came before that. 

00:04:39:09 – 00:04:59:16

Speaker 1

Yeah, like what? Because even despite everything that happened, like the brothers ended up being incredibly close. Like, once they lost both of their parents, I think slowly they began to reform their relationship as their adult selves and like passed some of their like childhood rivalries and like, were able to get over some of what happened to them. As you know, they’re. 

00:05:00:01 – 00:05:18:06

Speaker 2

Having this Loki. I mean, he just tried to take over New York. Him and his brother just got into a huge fight on top of the Dark Tower. And, you know, he even was talking about when he pretended to be D.B. Cooper and how him and Thor, how he lost a battle like he speaks fondly of his brother. 

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Speaker 2

Yeah. 

00:05:18:24 – 00:05:41:04

Speaker 1

And I mean, you even saw that when when he was watching the the tape of his life, the life that he hadn’t yet live, that he slept on or off the timeline for a new saw when he saw those moments of reconciliation with Thor, how genuinely happy that made him that he and his brother had found a way to overcome their differences and become more true brothers. 

00:05:41:04 – 00:05:57:08

Speaker 2

And all the reason the kid Loki is so critical to talk about and to understand is because he might be in the young Avengers and he’s rumored to be so. So I mean, that’s part of the reason why understanding his background is going to be really important, just because we might be able to explore that a little more. 

00:05:57:09 – 00:06:04:16

Speaker 2

So I think that would be interesting. But also, I mean that it begs the question, how the heck is he going to get out of there? He doesn’t want to leave. 

00:06:04:16 – 00:06:25:06

Speaker 1

Just just this is you know, I’m getting ahead of myself here. But you bringing up the young Avengers made me think like, what if he meets grown up Thor? Like, will he feel remorse at having killed the brother he knew? And who hadn’t had that chance to grow as as a person? The way that we’ve watched Thor go from like a really, you know, jerk face, like, let’s be real. 

00:06:25:06 – 00:06:30:14

Speaker 1

Thor was a jerk, like in the beginning or at the at the beginning of the first movie. But like, he becomes. 

00:06:30:14 – 00:06:32:29

Speaker 2

Ever since he’s like the retriever and we adore. 

00:06:32:29 – 00:06:49:14

Speaker 1

Him. Yeah, but like, killing his brother, kid Loki killing his brother. Never allowed his brother to mature into that person. So I wonder, should he meet like the adult version of his brother that survive? Like, what would that actually look like? Yeah. And would that create regret? 

00:06:49:15 – 00:06:56:15

Speaker 2

No, I definitely think that would be interesting. And, you know, I think we will have crossover. I just hope that Thor’s included. Because. Thor is going to be off. Who knows where. We don’t know what Love and Thunder is going to bring us for sure where it’s going to bring us. And you know, we obviously know Hawkeye’s training Cape Bishop. 

00:07:08:05 – 00:07:11:20

Speaker 1

So Miss Marvel has her own show. Yes, even the twins. 

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Speaker 2

So we know there’s been crossover already and how these characters are coming about. And obviously now she could love you with Loki, but I would like to. With Thor. 

00:07:20:05 – 00:07:21:11

Speaker 1

Yeah, that’ll would be fun. 

00:07:21:12 – 00:07:33:18

Speaker 2

Yeah, but to how he gets off of there. Well, are they going to destroy the TVA? That’s Luke. Like, are we in episode six going to see the end of the TVA or are we going to see what are we going to see here? 

00:07:33:22 – 00:07:50:23

Speaker 1

I think that this is the first time that they’re going to like we’ve talked about this before, how they’re good at wrapping up the main plotline of the show. Yeah, yeah. Leaving some threads. Even with the movies they do this, leaving some threads for us to ponder on for other franchises or the future of this franchise, whatever it might be, I think this is the first time they’re going to leave us hanging. 

00:07:50:23 – 00:08:07:01

Speaker 1

And I’m just thinking, you know, if you’re going to and we’ll get to our theories about who this might be, who’s actually leading the TVA. But just to throw one out there that I know is my personal frontrunner right now, you have Kang the Conqueror. Well, we know he’s in another movie, so you can’t defeat him now. 

00:08:07:03 – 00:08:09:29

Speaker 2

Well, I’m not saying defeat him. I’m just trying to undo what I’m saying. Like replace him. You can’t replace him from the TVA unless that that’s not the plan. 

00:08:14:07 – 00:08:18:00

Speaker 2

That they that’s not what they want. They want just the TVA to be taken down. 

00:08:18:00 – 00:08:23:02

Speaker 1

Right. But it’s almost hasn’t it been confirmed that the TVA is in future Marvel properties or is that just. 

00:08:23:13 – 00:08:41:28

Speaker 2

I don’t know about it being confirmed at all? And to be fair, you could take down the TVA for what it stands for. Now, that doesn’t necessarily mean that you have to completely dismantle it, because to be fair, all those people who are working there, at least the majority of them, are all variants. So the biggest step is getting everyone to know the truth. 

00:08:41:28 – 00:08:43:15

Speaker 2

And it’s like from there, what do you do? 

00:08:43:16 – 00:09:01:14

Speaker 1

Yeah, well, I would have to think I’m going to walk back my previous statement. The TVA has to be weakened to the point where the multiverse is open because this is the last property that I can see them opening the multiverse before Spider-Man. Obviously, Black Widow is not going to do it. I don’t think that she. 

00:09:01:25 – 00:09:06:23

Speaker 2

Wouldn’t it be funny if they just like in an angry scene, Black Widow, just like here is the multiverse by. 

00:09:08:07 – 00:09:12:13

Speaker 1

I think I would throw whatever drink I have at the fricking movie theater. 

00:09:12:27 – 00:09:18:07

Speaker 2

Well, I will have drink my coke slushy, but I will angrily get up. 

00:09:18:23 – 00:09:21:15

Speaker 1

In a box or something like, It’s not going to be pretty. 

00:09:21:15 – 00:09:37:21

Speaker 2

Yeah. I mean, I’ll be pretty intrigued to understand what happens here, because if it is Kang, I mean, if you take him out of power, does the TVA in itself fall apart? Look what? Guess he, I guess, is the person who essentially is kind of putting the timeline together. 

00:09:37:24 – 00:09:42:10

Speaker 1

So even then he’s putting the timeline together. Really? It’s that he’s. He’s colliding. What? 

00:09:42:10 – 00:09:56:16

Speaker 2

Yeah, that’s I guess that’s. But that’s more what I was trying to say. Not the right words I suppose, but yeah, that’s what I mean. Like if he’s the one deciding what happens then I don’t know. Are we going to see the multiverse close or are we going to keep it open like, is that what we’re going to see? 

00:09:56:16 – 00:10:03:21

Speaker 2

And Multiverse of Madness is like the end of the movie. Everyone all go happy because they close the multiverse or like, is it going to stay open? 

00:10:03:25 – 00:10:23:19

Speaker 1

I mean, the multiverse is their way of bringing back character, so they’re not going to lose that opportunity because they’ve killed off or aged half of their original Avengers. Yeah, so there’s no way they’re going to do that. If the actors are still willing to play the character, they’re not going to do that. 

00:10:23:19 – 00:10:34:04

Speaker 2

Yeah. So I just am wondering because it’s like we’re all excited about the lead up. But to be fair, we thought Wandavision was going to open this multiverse and it hasn’t been opened yet. Yeah, and now we’re sitting here. 

00:10:34:05 – 00:10:35:20

Speaker 1

Yeah, that’s what I mean. 

00:10:36:06 – 00:10:40:25

Speaker 2

That’s what I’m saying. The lead up for it. You know, we’ve been waiting for this thing forever. Yeah. 

00:10:40:25 – 00:10:42:04

Speaker 1

And like, six months. 

00:10:42:04 – 00:10:43:14

Speaker 2

Well, longer than that. 

00:10:43:17 – 00:10:45:15

Speaker 1

I don’t mean like, even since Wandavision started. 

00:10:46:08 – 00:11:07:18

Speaker 2

But we just were hoping. I mean, we’ve been talking about the multiverse for ever, like, probably since the latter half of the the original ten years. To be honest. There’s always been rumor about it. There’s always been talk about the three Spider-Man, there’s always been all that. So I think it’s, you know, the talk is here and now it’s like, okay, where’s like, where is? 

00:11:08:18 – 00:11:13:14

Speaker 2

Because to your point, we are running out of where it could possibly come in, because I. Can’t I think it would overshadow Shang-Chi if they were to do it in his movie.

00:11:17:11 – 00:11:17:23

Speaker 2

It would. 

00:11:18:06 – 00:11:19:04

Speaker 1

I don’t think they want and I. Don’t really know how you’d fully tie that it.

 00:11:21:01 – 00:11:23:21

Speaker 1

I mean, I don’t know enough about the character quite yet, but I. Don’t think it’s mystical enough to ooh I don’t know about that to open the multiverse though because I mean you literally have Wanda who has done it, you know, like she’s the whole thing with the mutants. She would have been primed to bring all that stuff in. 

00:11:39:29 – 00:11:41:02

Speaker 1

Who’s to say she’s not going to? 

00:11:41:06 – 00:11:50:01

Speaker 2

Yeah, but they didn’t do it in Wandavision when they could have brought in with Evan Peters. So, yeah, I know we don’t want to talk about it, but my point is. There’s a new who can’t see us, which is our whole audience. There was a real sad face made there. 

00:11:54:17 – 00:12:04:28

Speaker 2

But my point just being, you know, that was like such a highlighted time, you’re not going to I’ll be really mad if they do it at the beginning of Spider-Man, if somehow that’s how they explain, I will be. Angry. I don’t think they will. I don’t I think there’s too much going on in the Spider-Man franchise to do that without it already being set up for him. Like, Well, that’s what I mean. They just unmasked him. 

00:12:17:16 – 00:12:45:19

Speaker 2

So I think it has to come in, in Loki. I think it has to, and I think I wonder if they don’t necessarily kill Kang, but they drive him away from where he is because he is keeping whether or not he’s keeping good order or not. He is keeping some sort of order to the timeline. And by him being driven away from his little like outpost, it opens and it is forced open because there’s now no one controlling the fact that, well, yeah, with. 

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Speaker 1

The might of the TVA behind him any any. 

00:12:48:13 – 00:12:50:14

Speaker 2

Mobius is going to sit there and take all. 

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Speaker 1

The he’s going to take them out from the inside with B-15. Yeah. So and it would make sense truly if it were Kang because George RR is loyal to the hilt, even though she doesn’t even. 

00:13:00:20 – 00:13:13:17

Speaker 2

Know she’s that. Oh, she had maybe I thought she was going to have like a John Walker moment. And I’m sorry I just curse on this podcast, but I thought she was going to possibly have his moment where he, like, came back and episode said, You’re kind of. 

00:13:13:17 – 00:13:15:04

Speaker 1

Almost like I begrudgingly like. 

00:13:15:04 – 00:13:27:20

Speaker 2

You. Yeah. Even though you totally just kind of murder dude in cold blood, no matter what the cause of it was. And you put blood on the shield anyway and you kind of like, okay, but like, I could see it. Okay. He’s at least trying to be a hero. Okay? Yeah. Like, and then he. Becomes part of, like, the dark. 

00:13:29:04 – 00:13:44:27

Speaker 2

Yeah. So I wasn’t. I was here for and I was like, very cool. But, like, I thought she was going to have a redeeming moment for a second there, and then she shot that down. And this girl’s pathetically loyal to this thing or being or not even a thing or lying to her. And yeah, she doesn’t know. 

00:13:45:02 – 00:13:48:26

Speaker 1

Who does she think she’s not a very and she’s clearly has to be like, did it. 

00:13:48:26 – 00:13:51:14

Speaker 2

Ever occur. Oh, this didn’t even occur to me. 

00:13:51:17 – 00:13:53:08

Speaker 1

Where does she think she came from? 

00:13:53:08 – 00:13:59:09

Speaker 2

I guess I always assumed that there was just like remember how we always talked about there being like a core group that knew more than everyone else? 

00:13:59:09 – 00:14:00:27

Speaker 1

She clearly is not in that group. 

00:14:00:27 – 00:14:03:03

Speaker 2

Well, I. But I kind of just assumed. That with that. It meant she, like, I don’t know, wasn’t a variant or something, but I think. 

00:14:08:24 – 00:14:11:06

Speaker 1

She was. I mean, how else would you explain it? 

00:14:11:06 – 00:14:14:19

Speaker 2

I mean, at this point, there’s also a reason for her denial.

00:14:14:19 – 00:14:17:10

Speaker 1

And she doesn’t know the beginnings of the TVA. So she’s in just straight denial girl until like I. 

00:14:21:15 – 00:14:24:28

Speaker 1

Like like a real intensive outpatient. 

00:14:24:28 – 00:14:31:03

Speaker 2

And she’s also essentially going to have Sylvie sit there and try and do all the dirty work and she’s going to come in. So. 

00:14:31:11 – 00:14:32:09

Speaker 1

Yeah, I can. 

00:14:32:09 – 00:14:35:12

Speaker 2

Unnerve you or whoever because we don’t know. 

00:14:35:12 – 00:14:37:10

Speaker 1

It’s like I really. 

00:14:37:10 – 00:14:46:03

Speaker 2

Yeah, but you can never sit there and get so sure because we also sat there were like, Oh my God, Evan Peters is Quicksilver and they just in the multiverse. And then it was like, No. 

00:14:46:03 – 00:14:49:00

Speaker 1

Okay, but I feel really, really. Good. We felt really good about that too. Well, like. 

00:14:51:20 – 00:14:52:28

Speaker 1

Really, really good. 

00:14:52:28 – 00:14:54:13

Speaker 2

Well, we felt really, really proud. 

00:14:54:13 – 00:14:57:09

Speaker 1

That this feels different. Does it? It does. It does to. Me. It always was. Different because think about it this way. At the very least, like we never had any confirmation of Mephisto in a future property. 

00:15:06:06 – 00:15:07:28

Speaker 2

So maybe it’s Mephisto. 

00:15:07:28 – 00:15:21:22

Speaker 1

But at least we have confirmation that Kang is in another property. And now you’re playing with time, which ties into the quantum realm with Tyson, the Ant-Man. Now, because time moves differently in the quantum realm. The quantum realm. And that’s how it time traveled a lot. 

00:15:21:28 – 00:15:23:24

Speaker 2

But I don’t understand it. And I still. 

00:15:24:10 – 00:15:29:25

Speaker 1

I, I’m not saying I do. All I know is that there’s like a tie there. But anyway, so I just feel like. Maybe he goes into the quantum realm.

 00:15:31:25 – 00:15:33:22

Speaker 1

Maybe he escapes into the quantum realm. 

00:15:33:23 – 00:15:35:18

Speaker 2

That’s what I mean. He dives into it. 

00:15:35:18 – 00:15:40:15

Speaker 1

I think you said he doesn’t know, like, Oh, I stabbed him, and then he fell into the quantum realm. 

00:15:40:15 – 00:15:44:26

Speaker 2

I was like, I’m thankful that you are now repeating exactly what I just said. 

00:15:44:26 – 00:15:46:21

Speaker 1

Interesting. Sorry. 

00:15:46:27 – 00:15:52:06

Speaker 2

Yeah. I literally was like, okay. Because that I mean, I would make sense to escape. 

00:15:52:06 – 00:15:56:16

Speaker 1

Yeah. And then that who’s who’s in the quantum realm, just chilling was. 

00:15:57:09 – 00:16:09:20

Speaker 2

Exactly because, I mean, then and then you leave the only person who is somewhat keeping the timelines constructed. Now he’s gone. So now boom, multiverse solved everyone’s problems. 

00:16:09:20 – 00:16:14:01

Speaker 1

And we brought Andrew Garfield and Tobey Maguire, but more importantly, Tobey Maguire. 

00:16:14:17 – 00:16:16:20

Speaker 2

I’m going to see Andrew Garfield. 

00:16:16:20 – 00:16:19:11

Speaker 1

My God, that is such an unpopular opinion. Okay. 

00:16:19:17 – 00:16:36:29

Speaker 2

And you know what? That my stands on Twitter have actually brought the popular opinion to be Andrew Garfield. And I am thinking that he is. I am thankful for that because to be fair, you grew up more on Tobey Maguire versus I grew up on Andrew Garfield. To be fair. 

00:16:37:00 – 00:16:40:14

Speaker 1

This is the difference that three years makes and it’s incredibly important. 

00:16:40:19 – 00:16:53:08

Speaker 2

Yeah, because the first Spider-Man movie I remember seeing that wasn’t like a snippet of Tobey Maguire was Andrew Garfield. I was I remember seeing in theaters that was one of the first. 

00:16:53:25 – 00:16:55:14

Speaker 1

Tobey Maguire trilogy.

 00:16:55:14 – 00:17:05:16

Speaker 2

I’ve seen them all, but I don’t. I remember snippets of it from like before. But I remember the first movie I watched fully was Andrew Garfield.  Spider-Man had a really good soundtrack, though I will give it that. 

00:17:09:06 – 00:17:16:26

Speaker 2

I don’t. I think it just had bad writing. I think the worst of it was bad writing. I mean, Andrew Garfield is like one of the he’s a great actor is. 

00:17:17:09 – 00:17:19:08

Speaker 1

What sort of is it? Mr. Stone. 

00:17:19:11 – 00:17:19:24

Speaker 2

Yeah, I. Always get the most confused. 

00:17:20:29 – 00:17:32:26

Speaker 2

Yeah, there’s a lot of them. And they’re like all both great actors and actresses and have I mean, he at least has many awards. I don’t really or I’ve been nominated at least for them. I don’t know about her as much. I just don’t know her. 

00:17:32:27 – 00:17:34:14

Speaker 1

As Emma Stone. The one from. 

00:17:34:14 – 00:17:38:10

Speaker 2

She was in help with some of you get the help she won.

 00:17:38:10 – 00:17:40:03

Speaker 1

From Long Island. Is that her? 

00:17:40:04 – 00:17:54:02

Speaker 2

Oh, maybe. I don’t know. I never watched it. Couldn’t tell you. I don’t really. I feel like it might have it, but she was an on woman. Ryan Gosling. That English she’s been into then with Ryan playing because she is along with Ryan Gosling and Steve Carell. 

00:17:54:10 – 00:17:56:25

Speaker 1

Yeah. No crazy, stupid love, right? Sure. 

00:17:57:15 – 00:17:58:14

Speaker 2

I don’t feel it now. 

00:17:58:14 – 00:18:00:09

Speaker 1

It’s like a it’s an ensemble either way. 

00:18:00:15 – 00:18:06:28

Speaker 2

They’re both great actors and actresses. I truly think the writing just sucked because he was he also had. The best comic book adaption. 

00:18:08:27 – 00:18:12:29

Speaker 2

So yeah, it was. It was. But that’s the one left. 

00:18:12:29 – 00:18:20:15

Speaker 1

To its own devices. And without Sam Raimi’s help, who is a true, true believer, I mean, Sony, what are you doing? 

00:18:21:02 – 00:18:28:11

Speaker 2

Well, to be fair, like Tobey Maguire, Spider-Man kind of dropped off, too, like by the third one. You like. What is going on yet? 

00:18:28:12 – 00:18:33:12

Speaker 1

Sam, We all know what your foibles were with the last one. They’ve been well-documented. 

00:18:33:12 – 00:18:56:21

Speaker 2

But yeah, so anyway, moving forward off of that, because we got a little distracted, I think that that would have to be the moment because like I said, we literally like 80 people of if people don’t understand this, we don’t have dates yet for any TV shows. So you have to think we essentially knowledgeably can say and 100% say it, we have two movies until Spider-Man. 

00:18:56:22 – 00:18:57:04

Speaker 2

Yeah. 

00:18:57:05 – 00:19:08:16

Speaker 1

And even if so, there are a couple of shows that are rumored to be slated for 2021. We’ve talked about this and Hawkeye potentially Ms.. Marvel and She-Hulk. None of these are. 

00:19:08:16 – 00:19:09:15

Speaker 2

Of them have dates. 

00:19:09:22 – 00:19:17:19

Speaker 1

That. But also, even if they were to come out, say, October, which is, you know, far enough away that I feel like they could announce it and it would be fine. 

00:19:17:22 – 00:19:20:03

Speaker 2

Yeah, but there’s no way they’re going to do that. 

00:19:20:04 – 00:19:21:03

Speaker 1

Right this. 

00:19:21:03 – 00:19:22:07

Speaker 2

Cycle, No. 

00:19:22:08 – 00:19:33:22

Speaker 1

Enough or magical enough. I’m talking in the vein of a Wanda Doctor Strange and Loki. They don’t have those types of powers. They have science based or they’re archers with No. 

00:19:33:24 – 00:19:41:11

Speaker 2

And we already know Hawkeye is going to wrap into the Black Widow movie, so I would see no purpose for it to try and wrap into what what we’re going to see with the multiverse. Yeah. 

00:19:41:18 – 00:19:47:15

Speaker 1

So but all this to say, this is it, folks. Next, we it’s finally coming. We are. 

00:19:47:22 – 00:19:48:06

Speaker 2

It has. Points on the board. We’re putting it down. This is what’s happening. 

00:19:51:08 – 00:19:56:17

Speaker 2

Because it has to or it happens in an end credits scene and I don’t think that does the multiverse justice. 

00:19:56:17 – 00:19:58:15

Speaker 1

No it’s too, too big. 

00:19:58:19 – 00:19:59:07

Speaker 2

Although I will. Say I know we say it’s too big to do it in and credit, but let’s talk about some of the end credits that they’ve done. They introduced Thanos.

00:20:08:07 – 00:20:30:26

Speaker 2

But to be fair, no one knew who the heck he was. And I think this is very different because how are you going to like, properly introduce something as big as the multiverse? Like introducing a villain is one thing. This is the multiverse. The only thing I would think they do is like randomly Tobey Maguire shows up on my screen, but then then you sit there and it’s like, Well, what caused this? 

00:20:31:02 – 00:20:34:22

Speaker 2

You know? I mean, there’s just too much that you need to be able to put into it. 

00:20:34:23 – 00:20:40:19

Speaker 1

I need a straight up scene of one of those screens of the TVA with all of the branches. Well, and. 

00:20:40:19 – 00:20:54:10

Speaker 2

You know what? That’s what I wonder if they see. Okay, we’re going to run with the king theory. If they see king and they are like I said, maybe he dives into the quantum realm to escape, whatever that explains. He doesn’t die in the quantum state.

 00:20:54:10 – 00:20:55:23

Speaker 1

And here I hear dying. 

00:20:55:29 – 00:21:16:06

Speaker 2

I don’t know why. Like get your ears fixed because there is a in there. But and I would explain how he ends up in the in Ant-Man. And then, you know, like I said, there’s no one controlling the time and figuring out how the time is going, whether it’s correct or not. Then things kind of red line that would make the most sense to me. 

00:21:16:06 – 00:21:21:11

Speaker 1

What do you could you see? The last scene of Lucky being is a shot of a Red Lightning temple. 

00:21:21:20 – 00:21:22:17

Speaker 2

That’s all I want. 

00:21:22:18 – 00:21:23:20

Speaker 1

That’s honestly. 

00:21:23:20 – 00:21:36:10

Speaker 2

That would be it. Then I’d be like, okay, boom, It’s here. I’m ready. Bring it, bring it on. Like, that’s all I want. I don’t care what that. That’s fine. That would be the last scene. I don’t care That could go I’m that could be like an end credits scene. I don’t care I’m. Talking about that being like in a perfect world. That’s my last scene of Loki. Yeah. 

00:21:40:29 – 00:21:46:16

Speaker 2

Season one. Well, actually, now that I said about end credits scenes, why the heck did we not have one? 

00:21:46:19 – 00:21:48:04

Speaker 1

That hurt me deeply. 

00:21:48:04 – 00:21:52:27

Speaker 2

I was upset. And you know what? We sat there and tried to make sure it wasn’t a joke. And I. Checked like three times. 

00:21:54:10 – 00:22:01:29

Speaker 2

And we truly didn’t have it in credit scene. So I’m a little thrown off and I wonder if that is because something big is really happening. Yeah. 

00:22:02:10 – 00:22:10:28

Speaker 1

I do like though, like as frustrated as I was as a fan, as like just taking a step back and analyzing it, I like how Marvel never lets us get comfortable or like. 

00:22:11:00 – 00:22:11:16

Speaker 2

No, for. 

00:22:11:16 – 00:22:25:22

Speaker 1

Sure. We’ve kind of been like, okay, these last few episodes, like, you know, we know it’s not really over, like there’s a scene. And then we were comfortable thinking, you know, you even said to me like, Oh, I wonder what today’s end credits needed to be. I don’t. There wasn’t one. Like, they’re never letting us get quite comfortable. 

00:22:25:24 – 00:22:36:23

Speaker 2

I truly believe, though, it has something to do with something big is Oh, I agree, because I think they sat there and they were like, there is simply nothing for us to need to tease them with because it’s happening. Yeah. 

00:22:36:24 – 00:22:40:06

Speaker 1

Whereas I think last week it was important to know that Loki was a long wait. 

00:22:40:06 – 00:22:43:16

Speaker 2

What were you going to do, wait for us like, yeah, they would have.Broken the internet if we had a thing for an entire week. Then I love it. I love you, said was dead. 

00:22:49:27 – 00:23:09:17

Speaker 2

Yeah. No. And that makes sense. And it spawned off a lot more conversation versus What were you going to show us at this point? Yeah, like our heroes are going to save the day. Like when I think of the Falcon and the Winter Soldier and I keep referencing this only because it’s more recent Wandavision So I do remember it a little more, but I think that’s the end credits scene. 

00:23:09:17 – 00:23:13:09

Speaker 2

We see John Walker’s I Curse Again making his. 

00:23:13:09 – 00:23:13:26

Speaker 1

Little. 

00:23:14:16 – 00:23:30:25

Speaker 2

Shield. Cyrus You know where he Googled how to make Captain America that which also took out two punches but it also managed at first though like it was managing to work and I didn’t understand. Yeah I was my whole point of the way that. 

00:23:30:27 – 00:23:32:11

Speaker 1

Vibranium makes physics not. 

00:23:32:11 – 00:23:49:18

Speaker 2

A thing. Yeah, I was like, How is this happening? But whatever. But that was important because I know that was a talking point. Yeah, Everyone was like, Yo, what is this? Psychopath is going to come out here and do? Yeah, because we knew Sam had the real shield. So I definitely like that was critical for us to understand. 

00:23:49:18 – 00:23:58:14

Speaker 2

But I definitely think this one is just they’re like, Don’t worry, guys, it’s coming. This is happening. And it better because I’m like, Yeah, instead of it doesn’t. 

00:23:58:22 – 00:24:09:29

Speaker 1

If like one week from today, we’re not confirming for you that the multiverse is open. Just know that behind the scenes there were tears and throwing of things and potentially some like I. 

00:24:09:29 – 00:24:14:02

Speaker 2

Don’t handle emotion well. So there will be all of you. 

00:24:14:29 – 00:24:16:00

Speaker 1

Probably so. 

00:24:16:00 – 00:24:34:04

Speaker 2

So yeah, because I don’t handle emotion well, especially when I am upset over things I’ve expected. But either way, I think that’s what word you expect. I want to talk about. I mean, okay, first let me just say I felt like this episode because it had a lot of happening, but a lot was getting answered at the same time.

 00:24:34:05 – 00:24:37:23

Speaker 2

Yeah. And I almost feel like it was just like, Here’s some bread, chew on it. 

00:24:38:18 – 00:24:39:21

Speaker 1

Like it was like we. 

00:24:39:21 – 00:24:50:20

Speaker 2

Feed you with a little like, Yeah. So I feel like there wasn’t as much. Just sit here and ponder. But I will say I just want to give my everything to classic Loki. Oh, my God. Yes. Yes. 

00:24:50:20 – 00:24:53:04

Speaker 1

I’ve been waiting for this portion of the show. 

00:24:53:04 – 00:25:06:14

Speaker 2

And he truly he honestly is the best version of Loki. First off, he survived. And let us get into this because he literally called Loki out, but he was like, Daggers are stupid. 

00:25:07:00 – 00:25:09:08

Speaker 1

I want you to use your magic. 

00:25:09:14 – 00:25:11:21

Speaker 2

And I was like every fan for the past two years. 

00:25:11:28 – 00:25:14:28

Speaker 1

So we have this recent event that was born in a Twitter thread. 

00:25:14:29 – 00:25:23:08

Speaker 2

Yeah, honestly, like, so I thought that was so funny while he was talking saying that I just kept looking till I was like, Oh my God, oh my God, Oh my God. 

00:25:23:13 – 00:25:25:15

Speaker 1

He’s taking words from our own mouths. 

00:25:25:15 – 00:25:33:17

Speaker 2

Yeah. So I thought that was so funny, but I mean, was he kind of cowardly in Infinity War, which allowed him to live? Yeah, but I mean, but. 

00:25:33:17 – 00:25:34:00

Speaker 1

I mean, that’s. Loki at the same time. I get Thor have been like, tired up and stuff, but he did the same thing once the ship blew up. He kind of. 

00:25:43:08 – 00:25:46:27

Speaker 2

So I mean, I don’t know really. 

00:25:46:28 – 00:25:51:02

Speaker 1

It didn’t affect anything until he left to go find his brother. 

00:25:51:02 – 00:25:52:18

Speaker 2

Yeah, nothing was a fact. 

00:25:52:18 – 00:25:54:24

Speaker 1

That’s why the TVA didn’t go. Yeah, because he was saying. 

00:25:54:24 – 00:26:04:08

Speaker 2

You go find store. He was like, well, I was hiding and I was like, yeah, have no offense, but like, you weren’t like the TVA. You weren’t hiding like Sylvie was. You were literally on a planet. Like if the TVA wanted to find you, they would have. 

00:26:04:11 – 00:26:12:10

Speaker 1

Well, also though, like, she was out here, like, attacking Minutemen, and he was living alone. And so, you know, how do you. 

00:26:12:10 – 00:26:15:27

Speaker 2

Anything but you know how they are with their variants. And that’s why I’m just saying like. 

00:26:15:27 – 00:26:25:17

Speaker 1

But yeah, but they’re only they’re not variants until they hit a certain point. That’s why Sylvie was allowed to become eight or nine until she, you know, she’s. Going to be. 

00:26:26:23 – 00:26:35:16

Speaker 1

His, his next his moment wasn’t when he survived. It was when he decided to reenter his life after having supposed to be dead. 

00:26:35:27 – 00:26:47:17

Speaker 2

Because of it. Because the timeline continued anyway. Yeah, because Thor assumed he was dead. Exactly. But, yeah. No, I love him. He’s. He literally gave his life to be. He was a hero at the end. 

00:26:47:18 – 00:26:54:21

Speaker 1

The most enlightened Loki. I mean, when he was out there talking about all we do is lie and stab and stabbed people in the back. 

00:26:54:21 – 00:26:55:27

Speaker 2

And, yeah, you know, all. We do is bring destruction. And I was like, Oh, my God. Like, this is a Loki who gets it. That gets it. His actions have had consequences. 

00:27:03:00 – 00:27:05:19

Speaker 2

So I think our Loki’s definitely on that road. Oh, for sure. 

00:27:05:19 – 00:27:09:02

Speaker 1

I just think he you know, this Loki has had the benefit of many, many more years. 

00:27:09:02 – 00:27:15:00

Speaker 2

Oh, I agree. I just he was literally the hero of the day and that’s all I need. Section of Asgard. 

00:27:15:04 – 00:27:15:19

Speaker 1

Stuff. 

00:27:15:24 – 00:27:35:14

Speaker 2

Well, don’t isn’t. No, wait. Don’t we see in the trailer, though, Loki still like in Asgard, do we? I feel like we do, because there’s kind of like an ongoing thing about things that weren’t CGI this time around. If you’re not getting my drift, I’m going to leave it there anyway. Sure. I’m getting. Yeah, I’m talking to you if you’re not getting my drift. 

00:27:35:14 – 00:27:53:24

Speaker 2

I’m going to leave it there. We should about it later, if you know what I’m talking about. Anyway, though, there was a whole thing about something that was CGI out of the first Thor that people have now seen set photos or No, I think it was in trailer or one of them that people were like, yes, they didn’t CGI it this time. 

00:27:53:27 – 00:28:14:04

Speaker 2

And so I don’t know, maybe we’re still going to see Asgard. Maybe that was just a scene we see. I don’t know. What are you talking. I can’t. I’m not going to show that. So I will leave it where it is if you know what I’m talking about. You know what I’m talking about. If you don’t, you just don’t hate this. 

00:28:15:25 – 00:28:29:16

Speaker 2

I’m sorry, but you got to be on Stan Twitter. You just got to be. But yeah, so, I mean, I don’t know if we’re going to see that, but either way, we saw Asgard again, which I thought was beautiful. And so it’s always beautiful from. 

00:28:29:20 – 00:28:33:12

Speaker 1

When it was being eaten by what’s his face is a starter. 

00:28:33:21 – 00:28:34:23

Speaker 2

So it’s something that that. 

00:28:34:23 – 00:28:40:15

Speaker 1

Evil monster man with fire. Even when he was destroying Asgard, I was like, Oh, so pretty. And then it blew up. 

00:28:40:22 – 00:28:54:12

Speaker 2

Yeah, Yeah. But I, I just had talk about classic Loki, that’s all. That’s just new to get brought up. But regardless, I’m. I’m content. I’m happy with where we’re heading. I don’t. Oh, there is one big thing that we did forget to talk about how. Cute Loki is like with Sylvie. 

00:28:56:14 – 00:29:01:01

Speaker 2

That I was going to choose to skip over that because I past. Needs to be. 

00:29:01:21 – 00:29:06:09

Speaker 2

Talking. It didn’t cross my mind briefly, but I was because. 

00:29:06:09 – 00:29:07:07

Speaker 1

And then we’ll talk about the. Little we’ll know your you have the most information on this the non star power tower. Oh, yeah. 

00:29:13:21 – 00:29:17:12

Speaker 1

Jesus the probably most exciting Easter egg. 

00:29:17:12 – 00:29:20:09

Speaker 2

Yeah. Like hello, You’re just sitting so so I. 

00:29:20:09 – 00:29:26:06

Speaker 1

Know we said we talk about our theories for who’s behind the TVA. Essentially our theory is Kang the Conqueror. I think we’ve pretty much settled. On that guy. Yeah.

00:29:27:26 – 00:29:34:18

Speaker 1

Another big ol that clue in the form of a vendors building today. We talked last episode. 

00:29:34:18 – 00:29:35:04

Speaker 2

Oh, no, we. Didn’t talk last episode. We missed last episode. The large. 

00:29:39:22 – 00:29:42:20

Speaker 2

We talked about it in the blog because we did miss it for. 

00:29:42:20 – 00:30:01:23

Speaker 1

Yeah, this is why you guys need to keep up with the blog because we catch things later on. Yes, but anyway, behind one of the Loki’s last week was a broken what appeared to be staff in or Avengers Tower, depending on what year you’re in. And so we were excited when we found that after recording. 

00:30:01:28 – 00:30:04:07

Speaker 2

Which is why I think we all assumed it was New York. 

00:30:04:14 – 00:30:11:03

Speaker 1

Press. Yes, but today they gave us a little more information in the form of letters on the side of a building, which. Let me just point out, I literally made Taylor go back. She missed it completely. And I was like, no, no, no, no, no. That didn’t say something correctly. I was. 

00:30:18:06 – 00:30:19:20

Speaker 1

Eating. You know, there was I. 

00:30:19:20 – 00:30:25:04

Speaker 2

Was also eating, I guess what? I was not distracted. Whatever. I just started. Anyway, I continue.

00:30:25:04 – 00:30:27:18

Speaker 1

Anyway, so it said Kang or. K, I’m not. 100% sure how to pronounce it, but it’s spelled Q, E, and G, And upon a little bit of research before our little get together this afternoon, we have done some digging. It is owned by a man who is an alias of Kang the Conqueror. So that is yet another point in the direction of Mr. Kang. Now, as. Much as I will, I just have to say this. As much as I support this theory, I am just going to point out we sound a little bit like where we did what we were saying. Nothing. So I in everything with Wandavision, we were like, I think that. That was a bit. Farfetched. No, really, because it is the fly is the first form that if it’s the first time you see and like it has to do with the whole flight, the whole okay, well. 

00:31:11:21 – 00:31:17:17

Speaker 1

That doesn’t mean it wasn’t actually him eventually. Like what? What if in five years when he shows up, we’re going to be like. 

00:31:17:24 – 00:31:26:05

Speaker 2

The fly was. No, I’m not saying. I’m just saying we were we were deep in that whole I’m just going to say we sound a little bit like that again. 

00:31:26:26 – 00:31:32:00

Speaker 1

But there wasn’t literal writing on the wall that point to my voice. So there’s to Sure. 

00:31:32:00 – 00:31:33:21

Speaker 2

There wasn’t, because there maybe could have. 

00:31:34:29 – 00:31:38:09

Speaker 1

But there is a literal writing that basically says, okay, sure. 

00:31:38:23 – 00:31:47:02

Speaker 2

I would love to see more visit, though. There’s been so much talk about at this point, I’m like, just bring it on. Like he he was into so many storylines that I’m like, just do it. 

00:31:47:06 – 00:31:55:29

Speaker 1

I really feel like they’ll bring him on in like six years and they’ll be like, Hey, guys, remember that guy? The whole internet was freaking out about for about eight weeks in January of. 2021 and then thought again, They’re low key for how we look. That little girl at the church. And they did the like. Everyone was like, do. 

00:32:06:21 – 00:32:09:02

Speaker 1

So he’s the Internet’s favorite fan theory. 

00:32:09:02 – 00:32:15:19

Speaker 2

Yeah, literally. But okay yeah I just that needed to be pointed out. You can go on by letting me forget. So you think. 

00:32:16:04 – 00:32:35:14

Speaker 1

I just thought it was. I liked that they didn’t drop it. Like I thought they had the opportunity to kind of, like, walk it back this week and, like, you know, let them focus on the mission. But I like that they had they had their moments. But I also thought it was interesting, like this is the first time both locals are trying to be vulnerable with another human being. 

00:32:35:14 – 00:32:45:09

Speaker 1

So I appreciated the just genuine awkwardness that I felt watching them and on their behalf. So I thought that was just adorable. 

00:32:45:09 – 00:33:07:26

Speaker 2

Yeah, I mean, I felt awkward. So instead, I mean, Sam, that is the whole point of this idea of I just was like, okay, this is happening. I will say Loki, falling in love with himself is literally the most Loki thing we said this last week. I will reiterate it. I just think it’s weird because I guess I just I guess to be honest, I’m not used to like love, like genuine. Love scenes. In Marvel because the only ones we ever have loved, Wanda and Vision. 

00:33:12:13 – 00:33:13:07

Speaker 1

And Tony and. 

00:33:13:07 – 00:33:31:24

Speaker 2

Pepper. Yeah, but not the same. They were. They had that like, perfectly like I still think of, like, Iron Man two Well, first off, the idea of a psychopath. Or is it? I’m on my cycle. I’m on my cycle. Pepper. I think what it’s it’s a my God, are you just like this? I’ve literally watched all of. 

00:33:31:24 – 00:33:32:20

Speaker 1

The Iron Man three. 

00:33:33:08 – 00:33:49:09

Speaker 2

This deleted scene. It’s like a well-known deleted scene where he goes, I’m a Yeah, it is. I got my psychopath here when she’s yelling at him, but is also like that one where she’s yelling at him in Iron Man two and he’s like, He attacked me. I was attacked. 

00:33:49:28 – 00:33:51:25

Speaker 1

Oh yeah. When I. 

00:33:51:25 – 00:34:16:07

Speaker 2

Went. Yeah, yeah. What comes after him? And so I just like that relationship is just, I think it’s a better representation of unusual relationships, really. Like I truly do. And I can tell you, like, my significant other would tell you that it’s like an accurate representation. But, and I mean, like I said, we see Wanda and Vision. I don’t even count Black Widow because I don’t know. 

00:34:16:19 – 00:34:45:27

Speaker 2

I didn’t even want to talk about whatever the heck that was supposed to be. Just so stop. So I guess my point just being is like, we really only have one accurate love story that we see that’s been like that’s obviously 100% confirmed. And like, there’s actually been a show built off of it. So it’s very weird for me to see, especially Loki of all people, because he is such like a me make that low, low, which I guess like I said, makes plenty of sense with him being in love with themselves. 

00:34:45:27 – 00:35:07:11

Speaker 2

But I just think it’s really interesting that trying to see it, like it’s definitely kind of awkward because you’re like not used to seeing this side of Loki. And it’s weird because you’re seeing essentially Infinity War and Loki in a 2012 Loki form, learning life lessons without going through it all with his brother. Yeah, which is very, very weird. 

00:35:07:11 – 00:35:10:02

Speaker 2

So I’m like, Can you imagine Thor, if you knew Loki. Fell in love with himself, I would fricking just. I would be the most supportive brother, no matter. 

00:35:15:13 – 00:35:24:29

Speaker 1

He would. He would, but he would still give him crap about it. I just think their family dynamics make me chuckle and like the way that Loki and Thor interact even. 

00:35:24:29 – 00:35:47:04

Speaker 2

Hello. I’m like, like three of them. I couldn’t. I couldn’t ever have imagined them at a dinner table. Although wait, I wonder if they’re like variants or like other. Well, there are actually two variants there. I wonder about the other timelines where there’s like possibly a hell of like in their family. Oh, like she actually gets raised with her brothers or I guess they get raised around her. 

00:35:47:04 – 00:35:47:15

Speaker 2

She was.

 00:35:47:15 – 00:35:49:23

Speaker 1

Older. Yeah. Well, then she would have been first. 

00:35:50:00 – 00:35:50:16

Speaker 2

Well, I. Wonder if that would have completely changed how Thor and Loki. So I guess. 

00:35:54:10 – 00:35:56:20

Speaker 2

I would have had to have been a variant because. 

00:35:56:20 – 00:35:58:29

Speaker 1

Well, yeah, because she would have been next in line to the throne. 

00:35:59:02 – 00:36:03:09

Speaker 2

Yeah. So I wonder if there was ever a variant of that. That would have been really interesting. 

00:36:04:03 – 00:36:06:07

Speaker 1

This could be an entire season of what if. 

00:36:06:13 – 00:36:19:02

Speaker 2

Not even I really want to see the animated. I want to see it in a movie. Yeah. Like I want to see it acted out by all the actors and actresses. I want to see it on a screen. Yeah, I want to live through it. I want to the same. 

00:36:19:09 – 00:36:34:19

Speaker 1

So the audience in slash audience in adopted with family dynamics could to me be its own show and I’d be really is hella Fergus. I mean, Loki is supposedly the only one that’s adopted, even though Thor is the only one who looks like he’s this hot. 

00:36:35:00 – 00:36:41:00

Speaker 2

Because I feel like she never. Well, no. To be fair, Thor’s the only one who looks like his parents. That’s why I ask. 

00:36:41:02 – 00:36:43:06

Speaker 1

Yeah. Do you know what Frigga never mentions? HeLa and Helen never mentions Frigga. She only talks about what Odin did. I wonder if. 

00:36:47:29 – 00:36:49:21

Speaker 1

How was Mother died. 

00:36:49:21 – 00:36:56:20

Speaker 2

And yeah, she’s also good. Bit older. Like she’s like in the images and stuff. She’s fully grown. And this is way before the boys. 

00:36:56:20 – 00:37:01:03

Speaker 1

Are even born. Yeah. And even though as guardians age differently, like she’s so. 

00:37:01:11 – 00:37:02:10

Speaker 2

Fully grown, God. 

00:37:02:13 – 00:37:14:06

Speaker 1

Is probably ten years younger than Odin. Yeah, like in our time, which is like, thousands of years younger. Yeah. Guardian So, yeah, I mean, it’s entirely possible that Odin is in fact her biological father, but. It’s not like a whole lot going on his family because he’s got a daughter who’s his with another wife. He’s got his wife and his prized possession son, and then he’s got his adopted blue child. 

00:37:25:22 – 00:37:29:05

Speaker 1

So but he picked up his enemies like. Yeah. 

00:37:29:06 – 00:37:33:29

Speaker 2

And so he like, stole. So I. Who’s the biggest. Mess in the universe. 

00:37:35:02 – 00:37:46:11

Speaker 2

Odin I mean ego kind of. Well, anyway, I just had to, I just had to talk about that. But I’m, I’m content with this episode. I’m cool with it. I’m done.

00:37:46:11 – 00:37:47:24

Speaker 1

Yeah. I mean, I’ve said. My piece, you know? 

00:37:48:26 – 00:37:51:14

Speaker 1

Yeah, it’s a good set up for. 

00:37:51:14 – 00:37:55:08

Speaker 2

Whatever we’re going to see next week. Yeah, Yeah, I agree. I’m happy. 

00:37:55:08 – 00:37:57:20

Speaker 1

Just one last little point. It’s very quick. Mobius.

 00:37:57:27 – 00:37:58:06

Speaker 2

Just. Just the return. 

00:37:59:14 – 00:38:05:13

Speaker 2

Sort of. As soon as I saw the car, I like not be asked to back. So yes. 

00:38:05:13 – 00:38:09:02

Speaker 1

Also, when he was hugging Loki and told Sylvie he was she was his favorite. 

00:38:09:03 – 00:38:28:16

Speaker 2

I’m such a dad. Love my whole I really love him. And he’s going to do the lovely work of everyone and help the TVA. Well, not help the people who have been essentially brainwashed by the TVA to come out of the brainwashing. So love and doing God’s work, quite literally. I mean, Loki is a God, so. Oh, that’s true. 

00:38:28:16 – 00:38:32:29

Speaker 2

I like that. Yeah. So I think I’m happy with this episode. I think I’ve said my piece. 

00:38:32:29 – 00:38:39:16

Speaker 1

Yeah, I am all good. So. Well, at least the first half of the episode now we are rolling into what I’m saying. I meant Loki episode I was happy with. I’ve said my piece on the Loki episode. 

00:38:44:07 – 00:38:44:20

Speaker 1

Yes.

 00:38:45:03 – 00:38:49:14

Speaker 2

Now of course we’re going into the lovely reactions of Black Widow, which of. Course, just like at the beginning of the Loki portion of the episode, this is not spoiler free. We have seen the movie. We will be talking about the movie in its entirety. So if you have not gotten tickets or gotten your premium access on Disney Plus. 

00:39:03:17 – 00:39:05:17

Speaker 2

Or just have simply not seen it at all, like. 

00:39:06:07 – 00:39:17:26

Speaker 1

Yeah, whatever. If you have not seen Black Widow from start to finish, do not listen right now. Take a pause, go ask movie and then come back because we’re starting right now. All right, Katie. So talk to me. What did you think? 

00:39:18:06 – 00:39:25:26

Speaker 2

I thought it was really good. I’m not going to lie, too. I was. I was happy. I mean, I was happy. And then it ended the. Way it ended. And I was a. Little unhappy because. 

00:39:29:12 – 00:39:30:28

Speaker 1

I felt like you did. 

00:39:30:28 – 00:39:38:06

Speaker 2

So much. And then you were like, instead of saying, Oh, what’s an extra 15 to give us full closure? Or you just for like, here. 

00:39:38:06 – 00:39:51:27

Speaker 1

Yeah, I think and we talked about this like right after the movie too. I think we both felt like up until that end point it was pretty perfect. And then, you know, we see Natasha as the.

 00:39:51:28 – 00:39:57:15

Speaker 2

General stupid general who I swear everyone else dies in the Marvel movies except. 

00:39:57:15 – 00:40:02:19

Speaker 1

Him. What is his name? Thank you. Thank you. I keep thinking William Hurt, which is the only. This man has. Been a problem since. 

00:40:03:25 – 00:40:08:27

Speaker 1

Hulk. I know. Which was the second more Marvel movie, also known as the one we all like to forget. 

00:40:08:27 – 00:40:14:13

Speaker 2

But literally. Like what? Why does this man even still exist? I don’t understand. 

00:40:14:14 – 00:40:24:04

Speaker 1

Anyway, so we see Black Widow, you know, she’s the story. The Red Room. General Ross is on his way and they’re like, Boop! Two weeks later. 

00:40:24:11 – 00:40:44:01

Speaker 2

And. Okay, the time jump was problematic to me in itself. It was lazy writing. Yeah, but what made me even more angry was essentially that two weeks later was an end credits scene. And then it was a B.S. end credits scene because we obviously know what she goes on to do. So we sat there and we were like, okay, so Steve Yeah, is she going to show up? 

00:40:44:06 – 00:40:53:04

Speaker 2

That’s the only way this makes sense because they didn’t even show us how she linked back up with him. She threw her phone into the water, she went off the grid.

 00:40:53:04 – 00:40:54:03

Speaker 1

And they already said. She’s off the grid. 

00:40:55:05 – 00:41:01:24

Speaker 1

It was determined that the reason she wasn’t with him is because she it was implied the reason she wasn’t with him is because she couldn’t find him. 

00:41:01:25 – 00:41:02:09

Speaker 2

Yeah. 

00:41:02:15 – 00:41:06:10

Speaker 1

So, like, now all of a sudden, she has this strategy can go see that. 

00:41:06:10 – 00:41:11:26

Speaker 2

Not even she clearly really talked to him because she was like, I’m going to break him all out of prison. So she help me break him out. 

00:41:11:26 – 00:41:13:08

Speaker 1

Does this nine credit scene. 

00:41:13:08 – 00:41:29:05

Speaker 2

Yeah. So I was like, what? Like at least, like if you were going to stop it where the whole General Ross thing was, it was like, okay, whatever, fine. If you don’t want to show how she got out of there, which I kind of just was like, you could have gotten on the plane with the widows and had them drop you off literally anywhere. 

00:41:29:12 – 00:41:30:24

Speaker 2

Yeah, that was that was weird. 

00:41:30:29 – 00:41:38:00

Speaker 1

That whole, like, little subplot felt like they were trying too hard to shoehorn the rest of the MCU into this very. 

00:41:38:08 – 00:41:41:24

Speaker 2

Which it was fine at the beginning. Like, Yeah, you had at the beginning it was fun. Yeah. 

00:41:41:27 – 00:41:46:14

Speaker 1

But like in the end they were trying too hard to, like, relate it to the outer MCU. 

00:41:46:14 – 00:41:48:13

Speaker 2

Yeah. I’m sorry. How the heck did he find her? 

00:41:49:01 – 00:41:52:07

Speaker 1

She did kind of blow up an entire thing, but. 

00:41:52:07 – 00:41:56:08

Speaker 2

Then he, of all people, found her that quickly, everybody that he was there. 

00:41:56:08 – 00:42:07:28

Speaker 1

And also, I guess my biggest question is he’s an American general, so he does not have any sovereignty in Russia unless the is it does the U.N. now give him sovereignty because of the accord? I don’t like. What is the they. 

00:42:07:28 – 00:42:25:13

Speaker 2

Also need There’s no guarantee that she actually would have been there for all they know, because the Alina was going to try and take down the red room anyway. So there was literally no guarantee that she ended up there. So I’m just going to point out he technically had no way of knowing because, like, at least in those cases, I could be like we have a strong reason to suspect. 

00:42:25:13 – 00:42:29:21

Speaker 2

But it’s like. But you didn’t know, So yeah. How did you have jurisdiction? 

00:42:29:28 – 00:42:30:10

Speaker 1

Yeah. 

00:42:30:16 – 00:42:32:29

Speaker 2

So she’s also probably an American citizen. 

00:42:33:08 – 00:42:35:09

Speaker 1

I feel like she would have given her citizenship. 

00:42:35:10 – 00:42:39:14

Speaker 2

Well, she’s at least not Well, she’s probably citizens. She probably has dual citizenship. 

00:42:39:15 – 00:42:41:19

Speaker 1

Right. Well, that would still give the American government. 

00:42:41:19 – 00:42:49:27

Speaker 2

Yeah, but I don’t know. She’s at least probably a Russian citizen. So, like. Yeah, anything Russians should have been. They’re not. Yeah. 

00:42:49:27 – 00:42:54:28

Speaker 1

I really feel like he had to have been acting on the behalf of the U.N., not just the American government. 

00:42:54:28 – 00:43:06:25

Speaker 2

Yeah, but regardless, the ending was the only thing that made me upset because I just thought it was especially that I kind of seen it was okay. So somehow she mad. She, like, got in touch with Steve. She’s going to go break them out of the jail. 

00:43:07:07 – 00:43:08:04

Speaker 1

Like the raft. 

00:43:08:04 – 00:43:12:03

Speaker 2

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, and I’m like, okay, yeah. 

00:43:12:12 – 00:43:18:20

Speaker 1

It was just kind of like, you know, quite honestly, I felt like my predictions were better than what they gave us. Like, don’t get me wrong. 

00:43:19:04 – 00:43:20:14

Speaker 2

For the anklets. Yeah. 

00:43:20:22 – 00:43:33:29

Speaker 1

Yeah. For the rest of the movie, the movie was fantastic, but talking about the kind of scenes. But I will say that second end credits scene was a lot like emotionally. It was a lot like, in a good way, in a really good way. Like I had no problems with the second one. 

00:43:34:04 – 00:43:57:14

Speaker 2

Oh no, I didn’t have any problems with it. I can do. I’m going to give you guys a little play by play. You need to understand first. This character means a lot to me. Shoes from the start of my me living in this empty world. My favorite character before Becky came along, a fish market buggy. But like before he was the Winter Soldier, before he took top tier, it was always Black Widow. 

00:43:57:23 – 00:44:18:21

Speaker 2

And so she means a lot to me. And I will tell you when I watched End Game, I was that person straight up sobbing like you probably could hear me about four rows back. I was sobbing and I couldn’t contain it. Like I was full blown crying so hard. And, you know, I think that was part of the reason I really put off watching the trailers and all of that, because I. Didn’t like this. Yeah, I. 

00:44:19:24 – 00:44:36:26

Speaker 2

Didn’t want to be excited because I was like, This is it, you know, this is what we’re seeing and this is gone. And at least I thought it was going to be this was, you know, we see the movie. Okay. I never expected I never expected one to see your sister of all people there. That was. But then the way they panned the grave was perfect. 

00:44:36:28 – 00:44:37:11

Speaker 1

Oh, my God. 

00:44:37:11 – 00:45:02:13

Speaker 2

It was on the like you don’t you kind of have an idea. That’s who they’re talking about. And then you just start to see the Letters of Avenger get spelled out, and then you’re like, you know? But then they guarantee it by they move up the grave and have the widow’s symbol. And then they put her name. And I was I tell you, I was crying like the tears were literally streaming down my face and I was like, Oh, my God, they’re frickin Valentino.

 00:45:02:24 – 00:45:24:05

Speaker 1

Yeah, they could have left it there. And I would have been satisfied. But then they work even harder and they were like, Ooh, Yolanda’s going to be part of the Dark Avengers. Enrolled in Valentina Fontaine around. Yeah, Valentina Fontaine, too. And apparently they’ve been working together. Now she’s going to, by the way, she’s going to go try to kill Clint. 

00:45:24:06 – 00:45:34:04

Speaker 2

So she literally, when she was like the man who killed her sister, it wasn’t just me. About five or six people around us in the theaters when, oh, yeah. 

00:45:34:19 – 00:45:40:03

Speaker 1

There was a whole contingent of people who knew exactly what that was before they showed us a picture. Yeah there were two gasps. 

00:45:40:03 – 00:45:49:13

Speaker 2

It was the gasps when we realized it was Natasha’s grave. And then there was the really loud gasp when she said about, Do you want to see the man who killed her? And then they showed Clint. 

00:45:49:13 – 00:45:54:26

Speaker 1

Yeah. Then you need to show Clint it was bad. He killed her. And then they showed Clint and we were still in shock. Yeah. 

00:45:55:02 – 00:46:00:03

Speaker 2

And you know what? I want to know why the heck she’s after Clint. I’ve been thinking about it. Yeah, I want to know why. Documentaries won her in. 

00:46:02:09 – 00:46:03:21

Speaker 2

Dead. Yeah, Or. 

00:46:03:21 – 00:46:09:21

Speaker 1

Whoever she’s working for, because let’s be real. They’re not. These are not higher stakes. They’re not an altruistic group. 

00:46:09:21 – 00:46:30:13

Speaker 2

And I think it’s interesting because. Why, Clint, of all people? Because it’s not even like she’s going after The Avengers, because John Walker and Sebastian, Bucky and now our new cat, Sam, are on good terms. They’re good. They fought together. And I can’t see John after earning that respect from both of them. Yeah. That he wanted so. Badly because he respects that. 

00:46:32:11 – 00:46:53:17

Speaker 2

Yeah. Yeah. I can’t see him going in the MCU. Obviously I’m aware of in the comic. Yeah, but in the MCU at this point, I can’t see they gave him a good character arc already. We’ve seen the monster in him. We’ve seen him come back from it. Yeah. So I would think it’d be very difficult for me to imagine them trying to go after The Avengers. 

00:46:53:17 – 00:46:56:26

Speaker 2

So I’m very curious to understand what Clint has been doing. 

00:46:57:03 – 00:47:00:13

Speaker 1

Although I thought he was retired. Didn’t you go back to the solo? What? 

00:47:00:13 – 00:47:03:20

Speaker 2

What did he do for five years? He was killing people. That’s true. 

00:47:03:20 – 00:47:05:10

Speaker 1

And I made a lot of enemies. 

00:47:05:10 – 00:47:19:07

Speaker 2

And then. Yeah, and I’m sure they sat there and with her organization that seems to be underground, coming out from underneath all of this, I wouldn’t be surprised if he had gone after people in whatever organization she’s a part of. 

00:47:19:10 – 00:47:26:00

Speaker 1

Yeah, that’s actually a good point. He probably is now reaping the consequences of the things that he did during SNAP. 

00:47:26:04 – 00:47:43:29

Speaker 2

Yeah, but I think it will be interesting that essentially the initial villain of Hawkeye is now going to be Elena. Yeah, I think that’s going to be really in say I’m no, no, because, well, for one, I understand why she’s do I mean, I will say a lot of the villains were written very well so far in the MCU. 

00:47:44:00 – 00:47:50:12

Speaker 2

A lot of them. I mean, and that. Sorry, I left out that important part. 

00:47:50:12 – 00:47:50:15

Speaker 1

Yeah. 

00:47:50:15 – 00:47:54:10

Speaker 2

They’re all Iron Man is essentially real. 

00:47:55:10 – 00:48:00:22

Speaker 1

For those of you who heard that, like strange little pause, I was looking at her with a very questioning face. Yeah, because. I kind of forgot to say the most important part of my point. Phase four. Yeah, I. 

00:48:04:21 – 00:48:07:02

Speaker 1

The dynamic and layered, which is good. 

00:48:07:02 – 00:48:12:27

Speaker 2

And I think I felt like I especially think of the Falcon and the Winter Soldier has been. You sympathize. 

00:48:13:02 – 00:48:13:14

Speaker 1

Yeah. 

00:48:13:15 – 00:48:15:04

Speaker 2

Really You sympathize with that? 

00:48:15:07 – 00:48:18:03

Speaker 1

I mean, we hated John for what he did, but I. 

00:48:18:03 – 00:48:21:23

Speaker 2

Love seeing John. No, I’m saying Carly, I’m saying I was going to say. 

00:48:21:23 – 00:48:27:09

Speaker 1

Because he was we were just talking, man. But we hate John for what he did to The Shield and what he how he. Even. Ruined the symbol. But at the same time, can you blame him for going after someone in your organization that has killed your best friend?

 00:48:34:27 – 00:48:40:10

Speaker 2

Yeah, well, but. But not even just saying him. I sat there and, you know, Carly. I got it. I got. 

00:48:40:10 – 00:48:42:02

Speaker 1

It. Yeah, and so did Sam. And that was. Yeah. 

00:48:42:14 – 00:49:01:20

Speaker 2

That was so that’s why I think the villains have been written really interestingly. And I that’s why I do believe that it’s not going to just stay to be Elena because I think yeah, because they’re like, well, wants revenge for her sister, but it takes one of No, I don’t think villains got to sit down, have a conversation that doesn’t seem like her type. 

00:49:01:23 – 00:49:22:23

Speaker 2

No, but it would essentially take one conversation for him to explain because at the end of the day, he wanted to draw himself and tried to throw himself off that cliff just as much as she honestly know what it takes. Sitting there going, Oh, no, what is it? It’s nothing. No, no. Barton She is named after his aunt. 

00:49:23:12 – 00:49:28:28

Speaker 2

It takes those kids saying we miss our Aunt Natasha. Yeah. For her to understand or. 

00:49:28:28 – 00:49:40:07

Speaker 1

Honestly think about it like she Yelina was so wrecked by the serum they put her under and the fact that she was mind control like that was something that you could tell, really. I mean, rightfully so. 

00:49:40:07 – 00:49:41:08

Speaker 2

He know he really. 

00:49:41:23 – 00:49:58:15

Speaker 1

Bothered her that I think it has made her really valued the power of agency and making your own choices. So all Clint really has to say to her is, I wanted to make that sacrifice. It was her choice. She wanted. It. 

00:49:59:04 – 00:50:04:03

Speaker 1

And Yelina, well, I would think would respect that. And her sister and her choice. 

00:50:04:03 – 00:50:13:06

Speaker 2

But you know, what this means to me, though, is that we’re going to see now Valentina and her organization more as bad guys than anything else. 

00:50:13:06 – 00:50:14:19

Speaker 1

Yeah. In this show this. Because Yelena is going to come through to understand this was not something that. She’s not on the up and up like she wanted to be on the up and up like Natasha. Like. 

00:50:24:15 – 00:50:33:21

Speaker 2

Well, not even that. I just don’t. I think when she realizes Natasha chose the path she chose, I think she’s not going to be very happy that she was essentially. Manipulated into it. Yeah. 

00:50:35:10 – 00:50:50:23

Speaker 2

So I think that’s who the real villain out of all of this is going to become is whoever they are. We’re going to see a much clearer image of them, which I kind of I’m interested that were I mean, I know the multiverse is not going to last forever, but I’m very intrigued that we’re seeing another organization grow within all of this. 

00:50:50:29 – 00:50:52:27

Speaker 2

When we’re expecting the multiverse. 

00:50:53:03 – 00:50:56:17

Speaker 1

Well, not just one, but bringing Shang-Chi was.One of. The trailers ahead of Black Widow. Sadly, no Spider-Man yet. I think they just didn’t want to overshadow her, which will now. 

00:51:03:22 – 00:51:15:00

Speaker 2

Also just release the what if trailer. So. Oh, that’s true. We had Wednesday Thursday. Well, we saw the movie early, but how do we know we would be seeing it on a Friday? So maybe even Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. 

00:51:15:00 – 00:51:27:13

Speaker 1

Yeah. But anyway, so another major organization that’s coming into the MCU film prominently. Yeah. Which because they were obviously in the first five Iron Man and I believe the second as well which is. 

00:51:27:13 – 00:51:29:09

Speaker 2

Kind of was oh. Sorry three not two. 

00:51:30:17 – 00:51:34:13

Speaker 2

It was the Mandarin one but it wasn’t the real Mandarin. Yeah. And maybe there. 

00:51:34:13 – 00:51:37:03

Speaker 1

Is, maybe it probably is the real man. Well, because. 

00:51:37:03 – 00:51:52:27

Speaker 2

I will say a lot of people were really angry with Iron Man. Two, three because they were like the Mandarin, the very cool character. And you just did it. Yeah, you just. I mean, don’t get me wrong, he was hilarious. Oh, my God. But they were very angry at the fact that that was just what they did with the character. 

00:51:52:27 – 00:51:58:15

Speaker 2

So maybe we’re going to see more of redemption for that character as we see the real man. Yeah, but. 

00:51:58:15 – 00:52:07:09

Speaker 1

Anyway, we’re saying all this to say there was a void of semi quasi evil organizations left after the fall of shield slash Hydro One. 

00:52:07:16 – 00:52:10:06

Speaker 2

At that point, we were gearing up to fight. Thanos Yeah. 

00:52:10:07 – 00:52:21:19

Speaker 1

So and it didn’t feel like a void. But now that we’re kind of, we’re unsure what the next major baddie is like, it makes sense to bring in kind of that underground organization. Yeah, Yeah. 

00:52:21:19 – 00:52:30:18

Speaker 2

Because you have to think where essentially, like I’ve said before, starting over, we had more power broker. Yeah, and we have Sword. Oh, yes, I forgot about that. 

00:52:30:18 – 00:52:32:01

Speaker 1

So many organs. Yeah. 

00:52:32:08 – 00:52:46:24

Speaker 2

And you have to think this mimics a lot with Hydra. We had SHIELD. There was others that I can’t think of in the first and first few phases, but you’re seeing them. That’s what a lot of those movies have to deal with. But there was that underlying. Yeah, you know, the Connect. 

00:52:46:27 – 00:52:49:15

Speaker 1

The Stones. Yeah, the Stones. So it’s definitely. 

00:52:49:15 – 00:53:07:08

Speaker 2

To me, I’m trying to start to understand, to pick out what is the underlying tone to all of these, what will these organizations all have in common? Because that leads us to whatever the big bad’s going to want. Yeah. So. Or has to deal with at least. Yeah, but no, I thought the second end credits scene was great. 

00:53:07:08 – 00:53:14:09

Speaker 2

I thought that cheated us with. The first one I was, I was actually pretty upset with the first one, unless they don’t even count that as an anchor scene because. They only did one that’s cheap. 

00:53:15:21 – 00:53:17:25

Speaker 2

But to be fair, suggested that on Loki. 

00:53:17:25 – 00:53:20:07

Speaker 1

Yeah, but this is movies. They always do too, right? 

00:53:20:07 – 00:53:21:29

Speaker 2

But so far the show, they always did too. 

00:53:21:29 – 00:53:22:20

Speaker 1

I know, but. 

00:53:22:20 – 00:53:23:29

Speaker 2

It’s on that What’s your. 

00:53:24:09 – 00:53:26:04

Speaker 1

Sorry in you’re 23 it. 

00:53:26:07 – 00:53:39:24

Speaker 2

Yeah but maybe things are cheap and at least with this movie I think they possibly feared doing too much by accidentally overshadowing her as well. At least the Yelina like storyline I’m completely follows in. 

00:53:39:24 – 00:53:41:12

Speaker 1

Yeah. And it does set up. Yeah. 

00:53:41:19 – 00:54:01:20

Speaker 2

Well that’s what I mean. And it’s, you know, Hawkeye and Natasha obviously were very close. So I think maybe they also had the concern of overshadowing her too much by whatever the angle scene was, because at least we still got to sit there. We I felt like personally, we honored her death finally. Yeah. We didn’t get a freakin funeral for her, which I thought was terrible. 

00:54:01:20 – 00:54:03:08

Speaker 1

Yeah, they gave Tony one and they. Didn’t give her one. And it literally was her sacrifice that even got them to where they were. So I was very upset over that. And I think she knew she wasn’t coming back. Honestly, I truly do. And like, I don’t know, they’re also smart, but they couldn’t figure that out, that like, that’s the whole thing with the Stones, like, or with that one.

00:54:19:18 – 00:54:33:14

Speaker 1

Yeah, they, they had to have known because he kept asking where’s Tony. Was there. Yeah. Peter cut that Peter quick asking where’s Gomorrah, where’s the aura. So like there was some softball in it and she didn’t come back. So like there had. 

00:54:33:14 – 00:54:48:25

Speaker 2

To be some sort of knowledge so that whatever. That’s not even a point to get into. I felt like that gave us some more closure to the character. I felt like I could sit there and I felt good. I mean, I didn’t feel good. I was in pain. Yeah, there was some closure. The yeah. And so that made sense to me. 

00:54:48:25 – 00:54:57:27

Speaker 2

So I do almost wonder if that had to. That was almost what it was. It didn’t want to introduce something to new. They didn’t want to overshadow this final moment for her. 

00:54:57:29 – 00:54:59:15

Speaker 1

I get that I do. 

00:55:00:04 – 00:55:15:24

Speaker 2

Because I mean Tony had his epic moment and then had his funeral and then had this goodbye to Morgan. But we had all of that. We got the closure with him. Natasha We saw Steve Egan’s Yeah, yeah. Natasha We saw her freakin body and that was it. Yeah, that. 

00:55:16:21 – 00:55:26:17

Speaker 2

So I can do I sound a little bitter? Only a lot, but yeah. Okay. So now I felt like we had talked about the ending because that was the most important. Yeah, let’s get through. 

00:55:26:17 – 00:55:30:13

Speaker 1

And also our column, we, those were truly our only quality with the movie.

 00:55:30:13 – 00:55:32:24

Speaker 2

The movie itself. Perfect. Yeah. Up until that. 

00:55:32:24 – 00:55:53:00

Speaker 1

Last, we had a few issues with the ending, but until then, we love the movie. So if you have to take away anything about how we felt about it, let’s not get it confused. We love this movie was my with an exception of the end and some qualms with the lack of end credits scenes or lack of meet lack of Steve Rogers cameo. 

00:55:53:06 – 00:56:04:28

Speaker 1

But other than that, we were very taken by it. Incredibly so for sure. Let’s talk about the thing that surprised us the most at the very beginning that smells like Teen Spirit Nirvana cover. 

00:56:04:29 – 00:56:12:10

Speaker 2

I also cried during that. I I’m not a very emotional person. I need to tell everyone this, but I cried during this too. 

00:56:12:10 – 00:56:31:25

Speaker 1

When they were doing that. Over the shots of Tasha being trafficked as a young girl with Elaina, that was And that rendition, I believe, was by Malia J. We’re going to put together a Spotify playlist of songs that have been in the movies and also that we think are inspired by characters or scenes or just different things in the movie. 

00:56:31:25 – 00:56:47:29

Speaker 1

So stay tuned for that. More to come later. Small little plug there, but that song really got me. I’m not going to lie. I’ve listened to you like four times today. It still gets me. I try not to think about the scenes that it was overlaid in the movie. It was Love’s reference. 

00:56:47:29 – 00:56:59:22

Speaker 2

It was the perfect mix of that. I think those scenes are very powerful to begin with. But then that song, it’s like they do over all the the what is it? The wives, It notes for the thing they always do with the dogs. And the ASPCA. 

00:57:00:28 – 00:57:11:01

Speaker 2

Thank you, Jesus. We don’t do acronyms, but It was the same. Just like it’s sad seeing a dog shivering out in the cold or injured or oh, really missing it out. 

00:57:11:04 – 00:57:12:13

Speaker 1

And then it’s in the angel. 

00:57:12:15 – 00:57:23:29

Speaker 2

Yeah, you’re in the. Oh, on the set of the angel. And then you all know the commercial I dang I am and it moves you. And that was that, that was that moment. 

00:57:23:29 – 00:57:24:10

Speaker 1

Yeah. 

00:57:24:14 – 00:57:30:11

Speaker 2

And I wasn’t. I was not expecting it that early. It made sense, but I was not supposed to be expected. Any of the scenes of them as a family. I expected to be in flashback. I did not. Expected to open. 

00:57:35:20 – 00:57:53:11

Speaker 1

Yeah, I did not think that we were going to immediately open in Ohio. First of all, I had no idea that they were undercover in America. That threw me second of all, I did not expect to open in Ohio 1995. I was like, look, I understood immediately where where they were going with this, but I was like really shocked.

 00:57:53:16 – 00:57:59:23

Speaker 1

And then I was not expecting I thought we would see her in the red room and I like training that. 

00:57:59:26 – 00:58:00:13

Speaker 2

Yeah, but. 

00:58:00:13 – 00:58:03:19

Speaker 1

I was not expecting the trafficking portion of I. 

00:58:03:25 – 00:58:17:28

Speaker 2

Not expecting the prior to the red Room stuff because we are never fully I mean like we see a couple like a little bit here and there, but the gist of what we saw was her getting prepared to be put in the program her, but. 

00:58:17:28 – 00:58:19:17

Speaker 1

She was given to them as a baby. 

00:58:19:20 – 00:58:31:14

Speaker 2

No, I know, but that’s what I mean. All of that childhood for her is she was preparing to be in that program. They were going to put her in there. Yeah, she was planned and they she wasn’t given. Remember she was. 

00:58:31:14 – 00:58:35:12

Speaker 1

Stolen? No. They said her parents gave her as a bargain. 

00:58:35:12 – 00:58:39:00

Speaker 2

But not because it because that’s why her mom kept looking for her. 

00:58:39:00 – 00:58:44:26

Speaker 1

She was she was given willingly. But then the mom regretted it. That that’s what I. Because they were I got that. 

00:58:44:26 – 00:58:49:04

Speaker 2

No, they were put in a bad position and they had to give her up as a bargain. 

00:58:49:04 – 00:59:01:24

Speaker 1

Yes. She got they got paid for it. My impression was they were poor Dreykov paid them for Natasha. And then the mom, her her biological mother regretted doing that to her child and ended up dying for it. 

00:59:01:24 – 00:59:07:03

Speaker 2

Well, either way, I didn’t expect to see as much. I thought we’d see more of her in the red room. 

00:59:07:03 – 00:59:08:07

Speaker 1

I did. I did, too. 

00:59:08:08 – 00:59:20:16

Speaker 2

And we I actually expected to see more of the red room. And I think we saw a lot of that. We saw little later when they were getting the widows and they were like infiltrating the red room. But we didn’t really see a ton. And that really shocked me. 

00:59:20:16 – 00:59:29:02

Speaker 1

Yeah, especially considering the entire movie was about taking down the red room. Yeah, not actually that many scenes. No. Showing what actually takes place in that room? 

00:59:29:02 – 00:59:38:12

Speaker 2

No, but I thought it was pretty interesting. Just the gist of all of it. Don’t know. It was pretty cruel to me. I thought. I will say I was a little disappointed with Taskmaster. I will say that. 

00:59:38:12 – 00:59:46:26

Speaker 1

Yeah, I thought it would be someone. Someone more notable from the comments. Like I thought they would introduce a new character from the comics. 

00:59:46:28 – 00:59:53:19

Speaker 2

I will say, like I’m going to say, if we wanted to move past that idea, I will say it shocked. Me Oh, it did. 

00:59:53:20 – 00:59:54:28

Speaker 1

I will say it was like. Kind of horrendous when I understood what the heck he did, but I was a little let down on it, ended up being and I know you guys all heard my theories or theory that I heard. I can say theory I was running with about it being Bucky, whatever. It’s not even about the fact of it. Not being who I possibly could have thought it was. 

01:00:14:23 – 01:00:20:05

Speaker 2

I just thought it could have been anyone else. Yeah, because now Taskmaster dies in that movie. It’s done. 

01:00:20:06 – 01:00:20:23

Speaker 1

Yeah. 

01:00:20:23 – 01:00:34:20

Speaker 2

Whenever We’re not going to see she die, right? No. Oh, no, no, no. They got to talk like this. But she’s going to be. Yeah. Oh, they gave her the. They gave her the puff stuff. Yeah. But no because it looked like she died of the one point and then the like I was like, okay, I guess she’s alive. 

01:00:34:20 – 01:00:42:00

Speaker 2

But yeah, I just. I don’t know. I know she’s obviously going to be good, or at least, like, not a problem anymore. So it’s kind of like. 

01:00:42:00 – 01:00:51:29

Speaker 1

Yeah, okay. And I am not super familiar with Taskmaster in the comics, so it’s something that I have to do a little more research on. But is she the probably not. I didn’t think. 

01:00:51:29 – 01:01:01:08

Speaker 2

So, because I’m sure I think the whole storyline was likely written it. That’s what I thought. Like I didn’t think the killing or quote unquote killing her and all that. 

01:01:01:08 – 01:01:14:10

Speaker 1

Yeah, I did not think that she was the comic identity of Taskmaster, which is why I was kind of expecting a bigger name from the comics to make an appearance. Not somebody huge, but someone who is recognizable from the comics. 

01:01:14:10 – 01:01:19:00

Speaker 2

Oh, what? That was like. I would see more of Taskmaster. We actually really didn’t see that. For someone. Who’s in every single trailer for a large amount of time. Which granted, I guess they’re trying the real villain per se is supposed to be the father. But yeah, I guess I just was surprised because I didn’t feel like we saw a lot of the taskmaster. Yeah, like, and I was a little let down too, because I was hoping, seeing the taskmaster more, I mean, we were seeing more of some of the call to other characters.

 01:01:42:12 – 01:01:45:21

Speaker 2

Yeah. And I felt like we maybe only saw like four, if you count Natasha, we. Saw Natasha Cat. Clint and Black Panther. Yeah, but I felt like I didn’t really feel like I saw any others. 

01:01:51:29 – 01:01:58:09

Speaker 1

I mean, that whole thing where he blows up the car that’s got some winter Soldier rides to it, like, Yeah, from the winter, like the moon. 

01:01:58:10 – 01:02:11:20

Speaker 2

But that’s not how he fights. That wasn’t like, Yeah, because I would have been more interesting if you would have mimicked us, like in, like a knife combat, that distinctive knife scene. And he did that. Or she technically did that. That would have been like the. Villain into something actually similar. 

01:02:13:27 – 01:02:26:04

Speaker 2

Yeah, she’s got that. Yeah. But yeah, I don’t know. I was a little disappointed that I felt like it was I felt like it was a slight disappointment and who it could have been. But I was shocked either way. And it may it worked. In this. 

01:02:26:13 – 01:02:31:09

Speaker 2

One. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it worked. If you didn’t want Taskmaster to ever be anything bigger. 

01:02:31:14 – 01:02:41:15

Speaker 1

Yeah. Which I guess, I mean, if it makes sense in a way, because they’re never going to be able to make a sequel for her. So it doesn’t make sense for Taskmaster to be a bigger player unless. 

01:02:41:15 – 01:02:55:12

Speaker 2

They, they could have made Taskmaster be someone else’s problem later down the road. That could have been, ah, like Clint, for example, because you’re going to have the Hawkeye. So I don’t know, I guess there were other revenues and areas like I don’t know, I just yeah. 

01:02:55:25 – 01:03:14:20

Speaker 1

That was a little but I will say I thought it played really well and circled back really well to the idea of the read in her ledger from the first Avengers movie. I really liked how it came back to her second appearance in the MCU. Yeah, only her second appearance. So I really liked how it harkened all the way back there. 

01:03:14:20 – 01:03:16:25

Speaker 1

And also I thought it was interesting that. In in about Budapest. 

01:03:18:20 – 01:03:23:26

Speaker 1

Yes, that. But also in essence, her entry into Shield was a lie. 

01:03:23:29 – 01:03:24:14

Speaker 2

Yeah. 

01:03:24:16 – 01:03:25:29

Speaker 1

Which is so Natasha. 

01:03:26:18 – 01:03:37:23

Speaker 2

But it wasn’t even her fault. That’s what they wanted her to do, to clear herself of everything was take down that red room or supposedly take it down. I don’t know why his daughter ended up so messed up and he walked out. 

01:03:38:02 – 01:03:39:06

Speaker 1

I don’t think he was there. 

01:03:39:06 – 01:03:40:16

Speaker 2

But I thought you saw him. 

01:03:40:20 – 01:03:43:05

Speaker 1

Yes. In her rendition of it. 

01:03:43:05 – 01:04:02:17

Speaker 2

Oh, okay. But either way, I just I need to circle back. Budapest, we understand. First off, Clint attacked her in the safe house. We see that when Yelena even is, like, what kind of bullies make those? And she was like, No, there was arrows. And I was like, Yes, we finally see that. But also just the knowledge of how that all. Went down. 

01:04:03:10 – 01:04:07:12

Speaker 2

A little better. We kind of have some availability, understand? 

01:04:07:12 – 01:04:23:29

Speaker 1

Yeah, we see it. And she that’s like how they bonded when she talks about how they were hiding above the train for two days and they were playing tic tac toe and and it also just I love that because like now forever and always when you watch Avengers, like the whole line of like you and I remember Budapest very differently. 

01:04:23:29 – 01:04:26:23

Speaker 1

Well of course like he views it as another mission. Wonder if. He even knows. About. The like that she killed the daughter in in the. Explosion. That was the point that was part of the plan was to use the daughter. 

01:04:34:29 – 01:04:39:05

Speaker 2

Yeah, but confirmation or part of shield in a shield compartmentalizes. 

01:04:39:20 – 01:04:41:16

Speaker 1

Yeah but he was on that off with her. 

01:04:41:17 – 01:04:50:29

Speaker 2

Yeah I I’m just I’m wondering just because he seems that I would just think if he knew I don’t think he would have sounded so excited about Budapest the way he talked about it just because. 

01:04:51:03 – 01:04:55:21

Speaker 1

Yeah. But I think he thinks of it as like he gained his best friend. 

01:04:55:21 – 01:04:57:27

Speaker 2

Yeah, but that haunts her the way that it does.

01:04:57:27 – 01:04:59:14

Speaker 1

I he didn’t pull the trigger. She did. 

01:04:59:14 – 01:05:06:07

Speaker 2

Yeah. My point saying, though, if that haunted her the way it does, any friend would not sit there and say that. But they remember Budapest very differently.

 01:05:08:08 – 01:05:24:28

Speaker 2

But that’s my point. Maybe he didn’t know the full extent that part of her assignment. He was not with her. There. That’s what I’m saying. He might not have known how far she was going to have to go. I see. That’s what I’m because I just don’t. He seems that, Oh, kind of like Budapest. And she’s like you. 

01:05:24:28 – 01:05:25:17

Speaker 2

And I remember. 

01:05:25:17 – 01:05:30:29

Speaker 1

Now it’s reversed. She says, This is like Budapest. And he says, You and I remember Budapest very differently. 

01:05:31:03 – 01:05:32:07

Speaker 2

I thought she said, No. 

01:05:32:08 – 01:05:32:27

Speaker 1

He says it. 

01:05:33:08 – 01:05:37:08

Speaker 2

Interesting. Well, now I don’t understand how how that scene reminds them of Budapest. 

01:05:38:08 – 01:05:41:14

Speaker 1

Well, because I remember she said they had to wait two days because the cops were. 

01:05:41:16 – 01:05:47:14

Speaker 2

Yeah, but they weren’t. Didn’t that happened in the middle of like when they were being invaded. Yeah. So have they have anything.

 01:05:47:14 – 01:05:49:09

Speaker 1

Because they were it was a shootout essentially. 

01:05:49:14 – 01:05:53:08

Speaker 2

Oh well I feel like the two of them likely have guns or shootouts in Budapest. 

01:05:53:08 – 01:05:54:06

Speaker 1

But yeah, I don’t. 

01:05:54:06 – 01:06:02:15

Speaker 2

Know. I do. Yeah, yeah, whatever. But regardless, I mean, I’m. I’m kind of in love with the family. I’m kind of upset. We’re not going to see more of it. 

01:06:02:15 – 01:06:04:25

Speaker 1

I mean, just to say, though, if he comes back, why. 

01:06:04:25 – 01:06:19:06

Speaker 2

Wouldn’t I see that? That’s my point. We’re not going to see the full family, which is disappointing to me because I like the vibes. I liked that they all in the David part. Rage. Yeah. Bowling also. Yelena is hilarious. Oh, my God. Her in the freaking vest. 

01:06:20:14 – 01:06:22:16

Speaker 2

The vest, The pockets. 

01:06:22:23 – 01:06:27:05

Speaker 1

Oh, my God. And then the poser thing, and then she does it, and she literally looks like she. Was just like one of her own. So disgusted by herself. She’s like, Oh, my God. But when she’s. Making. Fun of her on the middle of this door. 

01:06:34:05 – 01:06:39:01

Speaker 1

I just look. And then you get down and you jump up like, everybody’s looking at me. 

01:06:39:01 – 01:06:44:14

Speaker 2

I just. Dad, that is such a little like sister thing to do to. I just to. 

01:06:44:19 – 01:06:47:02

Speaker 1

Test. You’ve made fun of me like that in many ways. 

01:06:47:02 – 01:07:00:19

Speaker 2

Yeah, exactly. And therefore, I felt at home with the ladies character. We were on a bonding streak, and she’s definitely one of my new favorite comfort characters, for sure. Attitude tastic can take the toss. Lorelai’s You. 

01:07:00:19 – 01:07:02:07

Speaker 1

Was just Chef’s. 

01:07:02:07 – 01:07:13:28

Speaker 2

Kiss. Yeah, I do have to say, I was a little intrigued that she happened to be the one that the mind undid, like the out of all people and ended up being Natasha’s little sister that they got out in the field. 

01:07:14:00 – 01:07:16:22

Speaker 1

Can we talk about that? That was crazy. Actually, I. 

01:07:16:22 – 01:07:26:01

Speaker 2

Want to talk about that, but I want to talk about this first because it might have been explained, but I might have missed it. I don’t know how they get Natasha Green thing gone. 

01:07:26:02 – 01:07:28:17

Speaker 1

They said that she predated the.

01:07:28:17 – 01:07:30:05

Speaker 2

OC that okay that’s. 

01:07:30:05 – 01:07:41:04

Speaker 1

What. Yeah. Because remember Julien is a little younger like I think she’s about six years younger. Right. And so they said that they stole the chemical formula for it from Sheila. That was they, they basically made that possible with their. 

01:07:41:04 – 01:07:43:15

Speaker 2

That it was shield but it was Hydra they said right. 

01:07:43:16 – 01:08:02:03

Speaker 1

No I’m just saying. But like Natasha and Yelena in essence made that possible by doing that mission in Ohio. That was the whole point of Ohio. So that’s kind of crazy that it came back to bite Atlanta. So freaking hard. The but but I think there was like a throwaway line where they were like, you know, it used to just be psychological, but then it became and then you learned goes. 

01:08:02:03 – 01:08:08:00

Speaker 1

But later it became like psychological altering of the brain. But later it become became chemical altering. 

01:08:08:00 – 01:08:24:22

Speaker 2

Of the mother. I do remember this, but yeah, I mean, that that was shocking. That was a lot. Yeah. Like, I don’t even know the whole the whole gist of it felt like a lot. I mean, like it made sense, but it was just kind of scary to think of how under control they have these, these assassins. 

01:08:24:22 – 01:08:26:17

Speaker 1

Who are absolutely crazy. 

01:08:26:17 – 01:08:32:22

Speaker 2

Still, I don’t know why I’m sitting here surprised. They literally had the Winter Soldier under wraps for seven years, so I’m not real sure. 

01:08:32:22 – 01:08:34:23

Speaker 1

They mentioned they did Soldier program. 

01:08:34:23 – 01:08:43:10

Speaker 2

They brought it up. Yeah. So I guess I’m not I don’t know why I’m sitting here, like, shocked that they had these girls under control because I. Almost wonder if. That stuff would have worked on Bucky. 

01:08:46:05 – 01:08:56:06

Speaker 1

I think not. Not post mine scrambling, but if they had figured it out pre mind scrambling, I think it would have worked instead of the electrification and the the words, the trigger words. 

01:08:56:08 – 01:08:58:21

Speaker 2

Well, yeah, but I mean like the sniffy stuff. 

01:08:58:22 – 01:09:05:28

Speaker 1

Oh I wonder if honestly I wonder if the whole content had something similar. Yeah. That’s part of what they use as part of his treatment. I just thought. 

01:09:05:28 – 01:09:09:21

Speaker 2

That was kind of because I was thinking, I mean, they he probably would have needed a lot more. Oh yeah. 

01:09:09:21 – 01:09:11:00

Speaker 1

Seven years worth of all the. Tracking and then pretty much wiping his brain clean, which I don’t even want to understand how they did that. 

01:09:17:10 – 01:09:18:18

Speaker 1

On this metal. 

01:09:18:26 – 01:09:33:20

Speaker 2

I know how, but I mean, like, what did it do to his brain? I don’t even want to think about it, sort of so. But no, I obviously know how. But yeah, I would almost kind of wonder if that would work on him or what have worked on him prior to having his brain already. 

01:09:33:20 – 01:09:47:04

Speaker 1

I like to think in my own little mind, Castle, that like it’s like my head cannon, that the continents had something similar or that honestly that does what Condon made. I don’t know, because you have to think, Oh, I guess this was pre pre bupkis. 

01:09:47:21 – 01:09:54:09

Speaker 2

And most people treat mentally go about with broken bones. And actually this was just as Bucky’s treatment was starting. 

01:09:54:10 – 01:09:55:26

Speaker 1

That doesn’t mean it wasn’t developed and stone. 

01:09:56:01 – 01:10:00:09

Speaker 2

But I’m letting you know to give you more accurate on the time stamp this would have been oh you’re. Right but Steve back he’s already working on the treatment. 

01:10:04:09 – 01:10:05:17

Speaker 2

Yeah because. It comes and he says where’s the war. 

01:10:07:22 – 01:10:24:16

Speaker 2

Well because they’re on the run for a little while. Because you have to remember that. So after Civil War, they put him back in Cairo. In Wakanda, right. And then they, you know, Steve goes on the run. Everyone else goes on the run. They they break him out of prison. Everyone’s the run for a few years and then, yeah, a few years. 

01:10:24:16 – 01:10:30:26

Speaker 2

And then they obviously, you know, they’re like, oh, cool, things are happening. And then when they go back to a candidate and you see Bucky. 

01:10:31:01 – 01:10:31:12

Speaker 1

Right. 

01:10:31:13 – 01:10:34:12

Speaker 2

Which is post mine, put it back together at that. 

01:10:34:12 – 01:10:35:05

Speaker 1

Point. Yeah. 

01:10:35:05 – 01:10:45:01

Speaker 2

So put to put that in the time frame. But yeah. So I don’t know, that was that whole concept. I thought everything made sense, I liked that. I didn’t feel like I was confused and felt like there were too many open. Ended questions left. 

01:10:46:24 – 01:10:50:01

Speaker 2

I was like, okay, this makes sense. You know, everything they’re doing here makes sense. 

01:10:50:01 – 01:10:54:08

Speaker 1

I just really liked it. I thought it was an interesting added layer. I was not expecting the out of left. 

01:10:54:08 – 01:11:02:11

Speaker 2

No, I want to understand when they had Yelena strapped to the table, when they infiltrated the red, what were they going to do to her? 

01:11:02:12 – 01:11:11:24

Speaker 1

He said they were going to take out her brain and they were going to analyze it to figure out why the dust, like where the weakness was, which was code for why did the dust work to bring her out of? 

01:11:12:04 – 01:11:22:16

Speaker 2

Because honestly, my first thought is there is kind of a I think I’ve told you about this before. There’s kind of a psycho comic where one point Natasha, yelena switch faces. It’s kind of weird. 

01:11:23:02 – 01:11:24:00

Speaker 1

If she kind of did that. 

01:11:24:00 – 01:11:40:17

Speaker 2

With Lena. Yeah, I know, but I don’t. I think it’s like real. I don’t know. I don’t know. I have to look into that. Obviously I’m more into my Winter Soldier Comics one, I think it appears. But that was my first thought was like, are they going to saw her face this is like they were. 

01:11:40:17 – 01:11:42:17

Speaker 1

Just going to take her brain out. So no biggie. 

01:11:42:17 – 01:11:53:12

Speaker 2

Yeah, but I was like, Oh, okay, interesting. But yeah, like I said, I love the family dynamic. Honestly, there was nothing to me that I felt that I needed to sit there and be like. 

01:11:53:19 – 01:11:54:19

Speaker 1

Okay, yeah, this. 

01:11:54:19 – 01:12:08:27

Speaker 2

Wasn’t done. Well, no, it was. It was all the only thing that I kind of wish I had more of an explanation. I kind of said this to you while we were watching it, that her friend that was getting her all of her supplies. I kind of just wish we had a little bit of a background on who this guy was. 

01:12:09:16 – 01:12:11:04

Speaker 2

You kind of feel out of left field. 

01:12:11:05 – 01:12:15:28

Speaker 1

He’s like, Well, Tasha and I have known each other forever, and then it’s like, okay. And later, like. Does she even ever say his name? I was about halfway through the movie. I started to think about it and I was like, okay, wait, his name’s not been mentioned. And then every time we pop up, I’m like, His name still hasn’t been mentioned and then watch that. 

01:12:27:27 – 01:12:28:29

Speaker 1

But you might be right. 

01:12:28:29 – 01:12:35:14

Speaker 2

I feel like they never even said his name. And I was like, I guess he’s supposed to be some trader dude. But then you’re sitting there, not trade, you know what I mean? Like, like a guy who. 

01:12:35:14 – 01:12:40:14

Speaker 1

Gets like, I know there’s a name for them and I can’t think of one. Yeah, he’s a guy who gets some stuff for something. Yeah. 

01:12:40:19 – 01:12:46:27

Speaker 2

Like, yeah, I mean, and then even like, Ross was after him, so Ross obviously knew who he was. So I just kind. Of relief that he was connected to.Natasha or thought at least he was. So it was kind of like, okay, but you were like, No background, this dude. Yeah, he just came here. 

01:12:55:29 – 01:13:05:14

Speaker 1

Just kind of like a random character, which like, fine, but like everybody else. And I got the wrong time to go into every back, but like, even, like a couple throwaway lines here and there, a little deeper than.

 01:13:05:14 – 01:13:10:29

Speaker 2

What we got. Yeah, that probably the only other thing that I sat there and I kind of was like, okay, yeah. 

01:13:10:29 – 01:13:17:16

Speaker 1

The fact that doesn’t Yelena use him to so like he’s used by two widows is he used by other widows like is he just like.

01:13:17:19 – 01:13:28:18

Speaker 2

I don’t know if she uses him I think because remember he just met her. I thought that was because she made a comment about don’t let her go and my sister’s words get to you or don’t let her words get to you or something like that. 

01:13:28:23 – 01:13:33:18

Speaker 1

So I was someone also that he mentions that he works for. Yeah, I was like, in Natasha’s circle. 

01:13:33:18 – 01:13:43:08

Speaker 2

I can’t remember. But yeah, I just, I don’t know. That was kind of weird. And I know I says the new during the movie too. I was like, Who is this guy? Who is this person who just keeps appearing. Is. Helping Natasha with all this? Like he obviously went to the Budapest safe house because she was getting mail sent there. 

01:13:49:13 – 01:13:52:12

Speaker 1

Well, it was his safe house he set up for her. He says that? 

01:13:52:12 – 01:14:08:08

Speaker 2

Yeah, but that’s my point. So. But he obviously was still going back because I don’t know how much he went to stay there. So I just I was like, what is going on? You clearly have history. Are we going to get more of an explanation of this or is it just going to remain how it is? And he was just some random dude in the movie. 

01:14:08:08 – 01:14:19:18

Speaker 2

Yeah. I also thought that was like a little strange. Yeah, but other than all of that, I feel like we’ve said the biggest stuff. There’s more thing I think we need to talk about where all the widows going. 

01:14:19:18 – 01:14:21:15

Speaker 1

Well, they’re going to free the other widows. 

01:14:21:15 – 01:14:22:04

Speaker 2

But then what? 

01:14:22:04 – 01:14:27:00

Speaker 1

Then they’re going to be a force for good. I actually could see them becoming their own organization. 

01:14:27:00 – 01:14:27:13

Speaker 2

Yeah.

01:14:27:21 – 01:14:30:00

Speaker 1

That would be really cool. Or lending their service like. 

01:14:30:00 – 01:14:32:14

Speaker 2

Melina carries them and her and. 

01:14:32:28 – 01:14:35:09

Speaker 1

Melina Lina. Oh, my God. 

01:14:35:20 – 01:14:55:24

Speaker 2

Alexi. Alexi Think I was like, It’s super Russian. And they like and Taskmaster helps train them. Yeah, that would make sense to me. But they’re not trained in like, obviously, like they choose to be there. Yeah, like they’re not trafficked and all that crazy. I mean, I think the widow program would still, I think they’ll still end it, but I think they’ll. Keep it. Somewhat in place for now for the. Widows.

01:14:58:23 – 01:15:01:14

Speaker 2

Who have nothing. Yeah. And they’re into.

01:15:01:18 – 01:15:04:00

Speaker 1

As like a support organization and they. Clearly Melina of all especially because you see it when she walks into the red room and all she’s even walk in, she’s out the window and they all kind of. 

01:15:12:21 – 01:15:21:05

Speaker 1

Like, but that might be because they were under it and they know that she’s like a she’s like the like a let’s not. Alexi drink of the right hand way. 

01:15:21:05 – 01:15:25:15

Speaker 2

But still I think. And if she of all people she helped free them that respect. 

01:15:25:20 – 01:15:30:17

Speaker 1

Yeah but she also was the one who created the London. 

01:15:30:17 – 01:15:44:19

Speaker 2

Yeah. I was a little confused about, I mean I guess her reason for turning coat ended up being she found out everything that she was doing had been what was to Yelena and Natasha. But I guess I’m confused because like, well, obviously. 

01:15:44:19 – 01:16:06:17

Speaker 1

Yeah, like how I guess like how far in denial can you really be? Like, I guess my thing is like, maybe until she wasn’t confronted by the actual reality, like, think about how far removed she was. If she does it to pigs, like she never sees the actual results in the people whose lives she’s destroyed. And there she was while Natasha didn’t have it done the way, that’s still some. 

01:16:06:17 – 01:16:10:16

Speaker 2

Of the other stuff that was done to her was made by Melina. 

01:16:10:16 – 01:16:29:29

Speaker 1

And so like seeing the daughter that she helped raise from the age of, what, 3 to 6, being the victim of something that she created. And B, so, I mean, you’ve obviously now for good reason. Yelena was incredibly upset by it and traumatized. And like for any mother to do that to her own, I think would, you know, I mean. 

01:16:30:08 – 01:16:31:06

Speaker 2

Yeah, I’d like to. 

01:16:31:06 – 01:16:36:25

Speaker 1

Think she would feel empathy if that had been any woman. But it was an added layer knowing that that was a child that she helped raise. Yeah. 

01:16:36:25 – 01:16:40:27

Speaker 2

So I definitely think, like, I don’t know, that was just kind of a weird thing because I understood then. 

01:16:40:27 – 01:16:42:07

Speaker 1

They like switch their roles and. They made a whole plan and okay, I got that. I was, I was following, but I was like, out of nowhere, she’s good. Like, out of nowhere she is going against the red room. Like, I just kind of was a little thrown off by that because it just I don’t know. It just felt like it happened suddenly. And you were just like, okay, quick, got to catch up. 

01:17:00:02 – 01:17:01:03

Speaker 2

Yeah, I buy your. 

01:17:02:00 – 01:17:03:25

Speaker 1

Face switch thing. And I was you. 

01:17:03:25 – 01:17:07:26

Speaker 2

Even said at one point you were like, So the mom’s bad. 

01:17:07:26 – 01:17:13:28

Speaker 1

Yeah, well, because I was thinking, this is a classic Marvel misdirect. You cast cast Rachel Weiss in the mom role. You know she’s. 

01:17:13:28 – 01:17:15:04

Speaker 2

You all that she’s. Yes. 

01:17:15:04 – 01:17:32:25

Speaker 1

She had all the trailers as like the mom. And you’re like, oh, like, this is a whole family unit. And they’re like, oh, actually, like one of the members of the family is like, really actually into the red room. And then you’re like, oh, misdirect. So, I mean, like, this is what’s happening. Like they’ve misdirected us in all the trailers and I was like, I’ve got to refrain, blah, blah, blah. 

01:17:32:26 – 01:17:38:05

Speaker 1

And then I was like, Whoa, whoa, back it up. They didn’t do that. That was just playing it straight, like playing this grape. 

01:17:38:05 – 01:17:55:22

Speaker 2

I played it all the way around. Yeah. Like you eventually end up back where you started if you turn right enough. So I was like, Exactly. Yeah, I, I just, I was kind of thrown off because I was trying to follow the conversation and how that all wine, because you could tell she was passionate. I mean, look what she was doing to the pork pig. 

01:17:55:22 – 01:17:56:05

Speaker 2

Oh, my God. 

01:17:56:05 – 01:18:11:04

Speaker 1

I was like, I literally sort of came in. I was like, Can you please just let the pig. Yeah, I just, like, I’m not getting. She says, I was like, What have I like? Honestly? Like, I did not feel any higher stakes when that pig was lying on the floor, not breathing like the rest of the we. I was like, I know she survives like it’s fine, whatever. 

01:18:11:04 – 01:18:17:05

Speaker 2

But that pig is literally one more thing I have to talk about. And it’s brief. But yo, Natasha, proving that like. Women. Pain tolerance much higher than men, she broke her whole nose on a table. 

01:18:22:24 – 01:18:38:10

Speaker 1

Yeah, she was likable. She was like, Punch me in the face. Me in the face. Punch me in the face, break my nose. And then she was like the line where she was like, you weren’t strong enough to do it. So I have to essentially. Thanos line You weren’t strong enough to do it. I’ll do it myself. Breaks nose on. The table, kicks. But then takes on almost all of these widows. 

01:18:42:23 – 01:18:56:10

Speaker 2

Okay, That is something I do want to bring up, though. And I said it to you in, the movie. I said, okay. So she essentially just he’s like, well, he’s like 47. Yeah, I’ll say, because I think that I wasn’t counting her shots. And you see him fall and then all of a sudden all the widows are back up. 

01:18:56:10 – 01:19:10:11

Speaker 2

I was like, Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. How do these women just, like, recover from being tased? Because may I remind you, she uses similar shots on the king of Wakanda, and it slows and it keeps him. And he has, like, the whole thing running through him. 

01:19:10:11 – 01:19:18:11

Speaker 1

Yeah. Okay, Here’s my one thing that I think may answer the question. This is just my theory that because they’re under the mind control, they literally like. 

01:19:18:12 – 01:19:19:10

Speaker 2

Like they can’t control. 

01:19:19:10 – 01:19:35:04

Speaker 1

The fact. They can’t like they might be in so much pain and like to the point where, like, your body is like, remember how you lean explains it. Like you don’t know where you end and it begins. So, like, maybe there’s like the actual identity of these women who were like, I’m in so much pain. My body cannot move. 

01:19:35:04 – 01:19:43:14

Speaker 1

But the actual like my neutral is like part of the brain is like, doesn’t matter, get up, move. And like, that’s the part that controls them. Yeah, it’s like that’s the only thing that I. Thinking about because, I mean, even when we see that widow who dies, I because she kills herself but doesn’t really kill herself because her leg the one that at the very beginning in her was all gold like I remember. Well, she. Does kill herself. 

01:19:55:29 – 01:20:04:12

Speaker 2

Yeah, that’s what I’m saying. But technically she doesn’t because she’s shot too. Yeah, but then I, but my only thing he was controlling that. 

01:20:04:12 – 01:20:08:23

Speaker 1

Yeah. But he gave them a, he gave them all a directive and he said take her out. 

01:20:08:23 – 01:20:09:07

Speaker 2

Yeah. 

01:20:09:08 – 01:20:13:12

Speaker 1

So that’s the, it was more vague but that’s the directive. Yeah. 

01:20:13:12 – 01:20:18:03

Speaker 2

Well I just had to bring that up. I was like girl you do, you rock. Well and then. Not only does she break her nose, but she resets. Oh my. 

01:20:20:27 – 01:20:34:12

Speaker 2

God. When she that I was like I, I wasn’t expecting you to break it. So like, that was just shock in itself. But then you see her going up and, you know, she’s going to straighten it. And I was just like, No, no, no. I don’t think it was a no. 

01:20:34:12 – 01:20:39:07

Speaker 1

Like the really intense crack sound. Like kudos on the sound team. But that was a lot. 

01:20:39:13 – 01:20:58:10

Speaker 2

Yeah, I was done with that. No, no, I thought it was a great movie. I’m probably going to see it again and possibly again and maybe a third or fourth time. I want to pick up on everything. I want to understand. I want the initial shocks of things to kind of be not as like, Whoa, I can see this, right? 

01:20:58:10 – 01:21:00:00

Speaker 1

So I can go find them in the movie. 

01:21:00:04 – 01:21:01:03

Speaker 2

Yeah. Yeah. 

01:21:01:04 – 01:21:07:13

Speaker 1

This is not as you can tell, it was not as connected. Like it felt very removed from the larger MCU. 

01:21:07:13 – 01:21:07:25

Speaker 2

Yeah. 

01:21:07:25 – 01:21:22:18

Speaker 1

Which I’m not complaining about. It was just a very different feel than the rest. The movies, for sure. It was very unique and very separate, which again was fine. But I So I wonder if the Easter egg count is lower because they were trying to focus more on. 

01:21:22:19 – 01:21:32:11

Speaker 2

Well, I also think it would be interesting if has to deal with I mean, if we want to look at things, every origin story we had came in the first place. Yeah. Like the important ones. 

01:21:32:14 – 01:21:34:04

Speaker 1

Well, at least for the original six. 

01:21:34:10 – 01:21:58:27

Speaker 2

That’s what I mean. The important ones for starting it all out. But you know, Tony, we see Brody reappear as of now, the superhero eventually for Cap, we see Bucky. Kind of like a like, undecided antihero. Yeah. Here, I guess at this point, Yeah. And then for Thor, obviously we continue to see Loki even now, like literally we’re watching his show. 

01:21:58:28 – 01:22:20:24

Speaker 2

So I guess in my thought bubble, I guess it’s because we’re so used to and now obviously Elaine is going to be the one we see coming out of the Black Widow franchise. But the difference being is ever since those movies, we’ve been introduced to new characters that we’ve continuously seen and now we’re we’re meeting a whole new group that we’re that’s now going to continue their story, the MCU. 

01:22:20:24 – 01:22:35:04

Speaker 2

But it was an origin story which we’re not as used to in that format because like Doctor Strange, there’s. Doctor Strange. Yeah. Who’d like Captain Marvel? Who you know, I mean, like, who was that other person coming out of it? Like because of Doctor Strange? Obviously Mordo. But he’s a. Villain. Maybe because Wally’s in Shang-Chi. 

01:22:38:00 – 01:23:00:11

Speaker 2

Yeah, So maybe now, but was like, yeah, he had his roles in Infinity War and Endgame, but it was brief. Well, and it definitely wasn’t like Rhodey style. Like Rhodey literally was critical to end game, but My point just being, I think since then, many of any of our origin stories have been a lot less that we see a key character coming out and now your line is going to be a key character.

 01:23:00:12 – 01:23:04:22

Speaker 1

I would argue differently, I think was going to be bigger as we move now, though. 

01:23:04:23 – 01:23:08:02

Speaker 2

But but look to me, I still look at Monica. 

01:23:08:13 – 01:23:13:03

Speaker 1

Monica Rambeau. Yes, she’s a kid in Captain Marvel, but she’s a full on Superman. 

01:23:13:03 – 01:23:23:06

Speaker 2

I don’t know. I don’t count her in Captain Marvel at all, just because that’s a completely different. She if anything, she’s. Wanda’s back. She comes out of Wanda. 

01:23:23:07 – 01:23:23:26

Speaker 1

I guess. 

01:23:23:26 – 01:23:33:21

Speaker 2

And Wandavision, because I don’t really count that as she was a child, that that also happened. Like, we don’t see her again until 30 or 40 years later. Well. It’s like 20 years later. 

01:23:35:09 – 01:23:39:20

Speaker 2

I’m sorry. I’ve seen that movie once we 20 to be fair, I’ve seen it. 

01:23:40:02 – 01:23:43:14

Speaker 1

I forgot about the time drop. So it is like 30 years. It was like 1995. 

01:23:43:14 – 01:24:00:05

Speaker 2

Look at that. Yeah. So to be fair, like I said, I’ve seen that movie. Ones will eventually need to watch it again. But I have only seen it when I watched it in theaters, so I don’t really super counter. I account her coming out of Wandavision, but I think it’s just wandavision. We still had vision, We had a character we knew even Spider-Man. 

01:24:00:05 – 01:24:02:05

Speaker 2

We had a character we knew well. 

01:24:02:05 – 01:24:06:19

Speaker 1

He came out of Cap, really, if you think about it, both cap and yeah, both him. 

01:24:06:19 – 01:24:07:12

Speaker 2

And yeah. Panther came out. 

01:24:08:10 – 01:24:15:07

Speaker 2

Cap. Yeah. Well that’s what I mean like this bigger character and I don’t know, I just, I would choose how it was just a weird thing to kind of. 

01:24:15:09 – 01:24:20:28

Speaker 1

Like, What would you say who came out of Ant-Man? WASP? I mean, eventually. But to be fair, they’re kind of a package deal. 

01:24:20:28 – 01:24:23:21

Speaker 2

Not a first. She wasn’t a she wasn’t WASP a first rate.

 01:24:23:21 – 01:24:25:25

Speaker 1

But in I’m just saying like it’s we didn’t. Know I mean in the wasp now though the Ant-Man. 

01:24:28:24 – 01:24:35:08

Speaker 1

But even what I’m saying, even in the first iteration as in like her father, it was her father and her mother like, yeah, Now we. 

01:24:35:08 – 01:24:53:13

Speaker 2

Didn’t have Ant-Man already, though, did we already know that there was a wasp, I mean. And he did. He mentioned her like slug Okay, But you have to assume not like to be safe. You have to assume I don’t read the comics that are in the MCU. And to be fair telling you, sit there and read the comics you read more of like the summarized versions of that. 

01:24:53:13 – 01:24:55:07

Speaker 1

No, but I mean, that’s pretty cool. 

01:24:55:07 – 01:24:57:25

Speaker 2

Yeah, but I’m just saying, like, if in the meeting you had. 

01:24:57:29 – 01:24:59:08

Speaker 1

That’s I couldn’t remember if. 

01:24:59:08 – 01:25:19:02

Speaker 2

In the MCU they don’t mention it. So I just thought it was interesting because once we’re starting to kind of see that but it’s so much later than we were used to seeing it before because we’re not having as many origin stories anymore because we don’t. I mean, obviously we were going to see Shang Chiba like and The Eternal, but like the Eternals are a whole different thing to me.

 01:25:19:02 – 01:25:23:05

Speaker 2

I don’t have them as there are whole groups. I’m like, I don’t really count you guys as of origin. 

01:25:23:08 – 01:25:27:19

Speaker 1

It would be like saying that Guardians had an origin story. I guess they did, but it didn’t. It was the same to me. 

01:25:29:09 – 01:25:38:03

Speaker 1

They weren’t. Well, that but I, they weren’t totally formed. Whereas like the Eternals are already a cohesive unit that have been working together for thousands of years. 

01:25:38:03 – 01:25:40:06

Speaker 2

Yeah. So I guess like for me I just. 

01:25:40:15 – 01:25:42:10

Speaker 1

I just more like shield coming in. 

01:25:42:10 – 01:26:10:14

Speaker 2

Yeah. So I just kind of thought that was kind of like something and. That’s why it maybe felt so different than a regular Avengers movie was. Because, yeah, we’ve seen a lot. We haven’t seen exactly all this, obviously, but we’ve seen stuff similar to it in a mix, all the movies. But when you really play it back, it’s like, Well, we haven’t seen this kind of origin story before where we take the character out of everything we know and we’re being introduced to a whole new world outside of who that character is. 

01:26:10:15 – 01:26:15:17

Speaker 2

And we don’t have any other familiar characters with that. We have not seen that in quite a bit. 

01:26:15:18 – 01:26:19:04

Speaker 1

Yeah, I think she’s Black Panther really, because that’s the biggest worldbuilding we’ve done. 

01:26:19:04 – 01:26:24:13

Speaker 2

But even then we already saw him in Civil War by the time. Well yeah, but we’ve already seen. Yeah. Well yeah, but yeah, I. 

01:26:24:13 – 01:26:41:28

Speaker 1

Would liken it to more of a because if you think about it Black Panther does not connect to the larger MCU that much like a lot of what’s happening is with the exception of what’s his face the guy with the gun to the arm claw any circumstance character yeah claw With the exception of him, there really is not a tie. 

01:26:41:28 – 01:26:42:25

Speaker 1

Killmonger, please. 

01:26:42:25 – 01:26:43:18

Speaker 2

Please, please. 

01:26:44:04 – 01:26:52:14

Speaker 1

There really is not a tie to the larger MCU. It’s really about the internal goings on of Wakanda and really the the royal family. 

01:26:52:14 – 01:27:01:23

Speaker 2

Literally, we have like one hint at the Winter Soldier being there and that’s it. So yeah, well, actually and that and that agent whose name is escaping me.

 01:27:01:23 – 01:27:02:10

Speaker 1

Oh, he’s. In, he’s in civil war. We see him in Civil War. Yeah. And I can’t think of his name, but. So there are still ties? Yeah, there are still ties. I just think and. There are in this movie too. Yeah, but for both of those, I would say they’re looser. 

01:27:15:19 – 01:27:19:24

Speaker 2

Yeah, You’re definitely like, you’re being put into a whole different environment once again. 

01:27:19:24 – 01:27:21:24

Speaker 1

Yeah. They have taking on shield. 

01:27:21:24 – 01:27:22:04

Speaker 2

Yeah. 

01:27:22:05 – 01:27:23:27

Speaker 1

Like it’s not so entrenched. 

01:27:23:27 – 01:27:38:12

Speaker 2

Yeah. Yeah. So I don’t know, but I thought the movie was great and like I said, I’m going to publish it a couple more times in theaters because I need that experience and probably, I don’t know whenever it fully makes its way on Disney Plus, so I don’t need to pay for it. 

01:27:38:13 – 01:27:40:20

Speaker 1

Yeah, I don’t. I don’t know what their window is. 

01:27:40:20 – 01:27:51:10

Speaker 2

They’re either like a month or two. Yeah, I would imagine that would be the most logical thing because that’s what it’s still going to be fairly big in theaters until it pulls out. 

01:27:51:10 – 01:28:00:28

Speaker 1

So yeah I will say just getting kind of meta here, really good news. They made over 13 million on Thursday night alone. Oh, great. 

01:28:00:28 – 01:28:04:02

Speaker 2

So and those are limited showings. 

01:28:04:02 – 01:28:15:19

Speaker 1

Yeah. I mean, they’re not wide by any media, so that’s pretty awesome. I’m excited to see what their first box office does. I hope they crush crap out of F9 because who cares? 

01:28:16:00 – 01:28:25:04

Speaker 2

I’m sorry. They do everything for family. I’m sorry. They they are the savior, you know, Natasha and her family. Family man. 

01:28:25:04 – 01:28:26:19

Speaker 1

But like those movies. Like, I just. I just. They were in space. 

01:28:30:24 – 01:28:34:03

Speaker 1

I like. I just don’t. I just love you.

01:28:34:03 – 01:28:39:24

Speaker 2

Just fly my car in this space. I just. But can you tell us that it’s still good? 

01:28:39:24 – 01:28:46:03

Speaker 1

Like. Yeah, I want to say it, Black Widow’s going to crush whatever weekend box office record you put out. 

01:28:46:19 – 01:28:53:05

Speaker 2

Well, I also thought Fast and Furious came out last week, so if you’re ready. Yeah. So they already had their big weekend. 

01:28:53:06 – 01:29:00:05

Speaker 1

Doesn’t sound like opening week out. Black Widow was going to crush it, and I would be shocked if it doesn’t come out as the top movie is.

01:29:00:06 – 01:29:01:26

Speaker 2

What else? Supposedly it’s like. I don’t know. 

01:29:01:27 – 01:29:04:00

Speaker 1

But even if F9 were to. Hold on to that. 

01:29:05:21 – 01:29:09:13

Speaker 1

I don’t think they would. I mean, will the Marvel fans let that happen now? 

01:29:09:15 – 01:29:16:18

Speaker 2

So I don’t know though, because we can see it on Disney Plus. Yeah, I don’t know if people could do a lot of Fast and Furious on other. No, I would.

 01:29:16:18 – 01:29:19:18

Speaker 1

Have been Peacock because it’s on Universal. 

01:29:19:18 – 01:29:21:03

Speaker 2

But yeah, I. Still think that a lot of people went to the theaters. 

01:29:23:18 – 01:29:36:00

Speaker 2

I think so too. But you know, in some areas of theaters they’re still not open and I’m not even talking like I mean, maybe North America. Yeah, but globally that’s going to affect them because theaters aren’t open, places are shutting. But that. Would have also affected. F9. 

01:29:37:13 – 01:29:43:10

Speaker 1

Yeah, but so it’s all I’m saying is a pretty level playing field with the exception of the premier access rule. 

01:29:43:11 – 01:29:59:23

Speaker 2

Yeah, but I also think with more with the variant coming out, I just need to say this earlier our father tried to say something about the variant, the COVID variant Delta, but he literally said the variant. I remember saying, What. Are we going to do about the. 

01:30:00:23 – 01:30:07:12

Speaker 2

Variant? Yeah. And I was like, Hold on, why are you talking about Loki variant no. 

01:30:07:12 – 01:30:10:11

Speaker 1

Longer relates to COVID now it relates to don’t travel. 

01:30:10:11 – 01:30:14:13

Speaker 2

I literally was trying to understand why what he was asking, because I was like, he’s. Only watched like two out of five. 

01:30:16:06 – 01:30:26:13

Speaker 2

Times. So you seen the first one which I think he slept through most of and then he just saw the most recent one, which I also think you saw half of because we were watching it while we ate. So I was like, How do you even know? 

01:30:26:13 – 01:30:38:04

Speaker 1

It’s also how do you like the idea that he latched on to the concept of the variant? I was like, all thing. That is like one of the more complicated concepts in the show, and that’s the one that you like latched on. 

01:30:39:15 – 01:30:49:03

Speaker 2

And then I realized he was talking about COVID and I was like, Oh, okay, yeah, exactly. But okay, I’m, I’m happy. I’m happy. I’m living it where I’m at. 

01:30:49:05 – 01:30:52:23

Speaker 1

Yeah, it’s been good. Hopefully the Spider-Man trailer will now come now. 

01:30:52:23 – 01:30:54:26

Speaker 2

That everything great is well. 

01:30:54:26 – 01:30:58:15

Speaker 1

They spoiled us so much this week. I just feel like keep it coming with Christmas in July. 

01:30:58:15 – 01:30:59:29

Speaker 2

Let’s go. I mean, we did. Miss so much. Time. So I feel like at this point, shove it all on us. Yeah, but. 

01:31:05:10 – 01:31:16:24

Speaker 1

Otherwise that is a wrap. Everyone, next week we will be back with just a regular episode. No double header. Sadly wrapping up. Loki. Is the last episode. Episode six comes out on Wednesday. 

01:31:22:19 – 01:31:25:18

Speaker 2

I’m in denial, so we will. 

01:31:25:18 – 01:31:28:06

Speaker 1

Maybe have some answers. Who knows? 

01:31:28:08 – 01:31:32:17

Speaker 2

I don’t think we will because if they confirmed season two, they don’t need to wrap anything up. 

01:31:32:17 – 01:31:44:08

Speaker 1

I know, but yeah. So we will be back. Please, please, please to the podcast. So you know, when we have new episodes with more insights, more jokes and more yelling at each other. 

01:31:44:22 – 01:31:47:15

Speaker 2

I’m just about. 

01:31:48:09 – 01:31:57:24

Speaker 1

And also, don’t forget to follow the blog. We will continue to create posts with some of the things that we’ve missed for both the book, the books and the movies. The show. 

01:31:57:25 – 01:31:58:12

Speaker 2

Like. 

01:31:58:24 – 01:32:18:12

Speaker 1

The shows and the movies that may or may not have made it into the podcast. Maybe we’ll expand, maybe we missed it, maybe we just didn’t have time. So a little extra content for your reading pleasure on the blog. The link is in the show notes below, so please give us a subscribe there or a follow there as well. 

01:32:18:12 – 01:32:33:05

Speaker 2

Yeah, and of course follow us on Twitter because guys, I love to talk to all of you. You know, I have a lot of fun on Twitter with all of the especially right now, all the Loki fans, some of their tweets. I just I really I don’t know if you guys have seen the one with the. Little white crocodile, the arm. Of a Chihuahua, and someone was. Like, this is. The bastion of Low Gibson five. And I said, Well, you’re not wrong. So I really loved interacting with all of you, talking to all of you, seeing what all of you have to post to make sure to follow that, that’s let’s talk MFT. And of course, this week especially, I hope you kept up with content because Marvel just blew your mind. So let’s talk about it.